Nintendo Removes Controversial Fire Emblem Fates Conversation
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What kind of issue? An issue with the character's personality within the story's universe probably but something needs to be removed? If I write a story that includes a child molester I would have created a character that people will hate, yes, but would I have crossed a moral boundary as a writer by making up that scenario? I would say no.
[For the record, I don't have strong feelings about this particular case (Soleil's story) either way]
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
I don't mind the change. also if the face touching was also removed, I wouldn't complain.
If that was the main hero of your story then yes
Fire Emblem goes like this
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2. Everything else
Most of the stuff you see is mostly due to just the amount of small dialogues in the game with the romances. It's basically a very miniscule part of the game, but it requires a lot of different stories.
I havent played Fates, so i can't really tell, but most likely you generally wont even see the bad stuff people are talking about. But I'd still suggest playing Fire Emblem 7 on the GBA since it's pretty baller.
I mean say what you will, but in the context of whats actually going on its just not right.
Its something that clearly has hallucinogenic properties, and its given without consent to someone based on someone elses "good intentions".
DrROBschiz
Member
lol
Its ok because im helping you conquer your issues with drugs
Ooops now you love me as a man because you thought I was a woman
WTF its idiotic. I cant help but thing this is some weird fantasy one of the writers dreamt up
Main heroes can be flawed too. It's not necessary that they be completely pure in the eyes of the reader.
Is it wrong
In a very very miniscule way, I guess he shouldve asked first, but since literally nothing bad ever comes from it and the character it happens too doesnt care about it happening, i think it's safe to say it's fine.
Maybe the MC made a mistake! Look at this storytelling convention, characters possibly making minor mistakes
So the fact that she was perfectly fine with it happening literally means nothing
you guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill
sensui-tomo
Member
From what it seems like that content is still in. Boy i'll be glad when pokemon players loose their content too. /s
Holy Order Sol
Member
Eh. Not that much was lost and most likely a smart decision to avoid further controversy, but it's fine for games to depict things that are morally wrong. Even assuming people didn't jump the gun when translating in the first place, just because it's fucked up doesn't mean it absolutely has to go.
sensui-tomo
Member
Dont worry, we still have incest in the game. If they change that ... well that means localization would be taking a few too many liberties.
WrenchNinja
Member
Somehow I doubt pokemon players are going to lose a lot of sleep over no longer having to tediously tap and feed eevee to get a sylveon
Does the fact that shes ok with it afterwards-
which, by the way, is logic written by the same people who came up with this stupidness
- somehow change the fact its morally wrong?
The answer is no, it does not btw.
her dad being a womaniser making the daughter also a womaniser but not into women doesn't amke the logic any better.
And it's not like FE is a stranger to incest romances so i don't see why that would suddenly be implausible in this scenario.
sensui-tomo
Member
Doesnt mean we should be happy about cutting content. I mean fuck this is just touching faces, in pokemon you can grab jynx's breasts. If they replaced the face touching game with another mini-game i'm fine. AKA content for content replacement. Removal is just bad.
Your argument is void because magic.
Solbringer
Member
Like I said, she said that only after the fact, not before. With common sense, that's still not right because there was no consent.
Morally wrong in literally the most miniscule way
and maybe the MC made a mistake. Who would've ever thought that characters could be flawed!
It's so stupid that I've to try it out!
Except that's not what happened at all. The game doesn't even state that her ''cute girl problem'' was even solved.
What is the argument against this instance of drugging except *consent consent consent*? There were no negative effects and she even had fun with it, so I see no harm.
This thread is about Nintendo altering this scene, which you yourself said is unimportant.
People seemed to be upset about that. Which side is building hills?
the one that says that the scene as put is horrid and deseves to be taken away
I want it localized so it can be good, not so we can remove very petty things that some groupthink deemed to be bad.
They didn't cut the support conversation, they did exactly as you asked and localized it.
and even you said the writing of the character is bad (in quality).
sensui-tomo
Member
Translate and localize are 2 different things buddy. Which is why i disliked Zero from Drakengard 3 because localization changed the character. What it seems like you want is a translation project which good for you is already in progress.
If this is a real sentence without even a trace of sarcasm, then I don't even know what to say anymore.
I mean, no one really knows what they did with the localization other then the treehouse and NOA people
but this idea that this entire sequence was horribly reprehensible and morally terrible is laughable to me, and shouldnt be the basis for such changes. It should be changed for being pretty shitty, not for being "bad" (in a moral sense)
I'd be perfectly fine if they completely revamped the scene in question because it was horribly done from a storytelling viewpoint (probably like 80% of the support convos in the game tbh) But the basis of "it should be changed for being morally bad" is pretty shitty.
Putting mind altering substances or other drugs into someone's food without telling them is usually seen by most people as a really shitty thing to do.
You can't really be comparing a mind altering drug to vegetables, can you?
Pretty much my thought. I can see why people would be outraged even if I don't think it's a big deal myself. Like a really bad rom-com with Japanese tropes.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Mind altering drugs = vegetables?
Um, I don't follow what you're trying to say. She hits on girls but whether that's due to her dad's personality or not is never stated so it's kind of irrelevant to bring up her womanizing dad. Watch Gaijin Hunter's video because I suspect you're basing your opinion on the mistranslations.
I'm no expert on FE but was incest in the previous games treated in the same joking manner with close blood relatives literally swooning over each other?
It's not sarcasm. What's negative consequence of her being drugged?
Yes, because there's usually some nefarious motive on negative consequences which is not the case here.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Today I learned that anything you do is okay as long as there are no negative consequences.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
That was in the game? Wooow.. that's a little much for a Teen targeted game.
No, dude. You got it all wrong. It's mind altering magic.
http://nichegamer.com/2015/07/the-s...em-fates-completely-falsified-gay-conversion/
Uh, yes? Why wouldn't that be the case?
What's your argument against doing something that has no negative consequences?
Yes.
Since a couple hours have passed, I have to be baffled how amazingly fast this misinformation has spread. In 3 hours I've seen over 50 websites report this exactly like the old story originally was. Like, no one did any fact checking, it's ridiculous.
Yes but characters in stories sometimes do shitty things. Sephiroth killed
you know who
The issue is not whether "drugging" is wrong but whether a story is "wrong" for including that theme.
Are we saying that if something is "wrong" then a fictional character shouldn't do it and the writer who pens that is at fault? Are we going to apply that universally to all stories? Sounds kinda boring and thought-policey.
Nothing other than curing lesbianism of course
*not actually known if character is Lesbian
Gotdatmoney
Member
That just because nothing bad actually happens it doesn't mean you can do things to people without their consent. Its an extremely simple concept.
There are two bisexuals and Soleil