JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders |OT| ATTEMPT NO MANGA SPOILERS HERE

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Weiss said:
So I've just finished the first season of the anime and am moving on to Stardust Crusaders. From what I understand this is when the series gets really good.

Part 1 was kind of average but was saved by the gloriously over the top Dio, and Part 2 was way stronger with Joseph the best asshole ever, tons of super sexualized posing, and a cyborg Nazi.
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"Really gets good" is subjective because it's a big departure narrative wise. This is the part that shapes what JoJo will be closer to.
 
My only issue with Part 3 (just finished it today) is that Jotaro doesn't have much of a personality and a lot of the episodes could have very easily been cut down from 2 parts to 1 part.
 
Sibersk Esto said:
"Really gets good" is subjective because it's a big departure narrative wise. This is the part that shapes what JoJo will be closer to.
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Yeah, the introduction of stands really changed things. The first two parts had hamon as the special ability, but now you'll find that the good and bad guys have spirits that grant them special powers that can range from punching things really hard to taking spirit photos of faraway things by crushing polaroid cameras. The variety of stand abilities and how narrow some of them are means most confrontations are built as puzzles, where the good guys have to find out what the enemy's stand does before they can try to come up with a way to beat them.

It's mostly a generic shounen combat show, but it actually being old excuses it somewhat and stands and their effects tend to make for fun and creative confrontations rather than brain-dead combat. I liked Joseph the most out of the three protagonists I've seen so far, since Jonathan was mostly your generic goody-two-shoes and Jotaro just went the opposite way, being a cocky delinquent high school student (...really) that nearly always keeps a poker face.
 
JulianImp said:
Yeah, the introduction of stands really changed things. The first two parts had hamon as the special ability, but now you'll find that the good and bad guys have spirits that grant them special powers that can range from punching things really hard to taking spirit photos of faraway things by crushing polaroid cameras. The variety of stand abilities and how narrow some of them are means most confrontations are built as puzzles, where the good guys have to find out what the enemy's stand does before they can try to come up with a way to beat them.

It's mostly a generic shounen combat show, but it actually being old excuses it somewhat and stands and their effects tend to make for fun and creative confrontations rather than brain-dead combat. I liked Joseph the most out of the three protagonists I've seen so far, since Jonathan was mostly your generic goody-two-shoes and Jotaro just went the opposite way, being a cocky delinquent high school student (...really) that nearly always keeps a poker face.
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Josephn is best JoJo
 
StaticJam said:
My only issue with Part 3 (just finished it today) is that Jotaro doesn't have much of a personality and a lot of the episodes could have very easily been cut down from 2 parts to 1 part.
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I actually liked the show much better when the 2-parters started. I was incredibly bored with the villain of the week theme, but 2-parter villains at least got fleshed out or there would be out of combat build-up.

Still no Part 2 though.
 
Up to Ep. 16 so far and I'm liking Stardust Crusaders more than Battle Tendency. The Villain of the Week format's kind of cliche, but the enemy Stands are so bizarre and the battles so creative that I'm just rolling with it. It's perhaps drawn out a bit too much; I'm not sure I'll be as enthused for another 30 episodes, but I'm enjoying it so far and the group feels more tight knit and realized than the teammates in Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency, plus they're actually useful and are all cool.

but oh no i found a plot hole: When Hierophant Green and Silver Chariot go into Joseph's brain, Polnareff shouldn't be able to see, since it was a plot point in the fight against Devo/Soul Sacrifice that he couldn't see out of his Stand's eyes.

Also this gif.

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Weiss said:
Up to Ep. 16 so far and I'm liking Stardust Crusaders more than Battle Tendency. The Villain of the Week format's kind of cliche, but the enemy Stands are so bizarre and the battles so creative that I'm just rolling with it. It's perhaps drawn out a bit too much; I'm not sure I'll be as enthused for another 30 episodes, but I'm enjoying it so far and the group feels more tight knit and realized than the teammates in Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency, plus they're actually useful and are all cool.

but oh no i found a plot hole: When Hierophant Green and Silver Chariot go into Joseph's brain, Polnareff shouldn't be able to see, since it was a plot point in the fight against Devo/Soul Sacrifice that he couldn't see out of his Stand's eyes.

Also this gif.

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Glad you're enjoying it.

Also it's been awhile but I seem to recall Kakyoin and Polnareff using Joseph's projection on the tv to see what they were doing.
 
sprsk said:
Also youre just gonna habe to come to terms with plot holes. #arakidontcare
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We'll never come to learn how Dio successfully managed to sever Jonathan's head and attach his own head to it within seconds of the engine exploding and incinerating the body.
 
StaticJam said:
One thing that confused me is that I'm pretty sure Erina rode the coffin out of the boat and yet DIO was in it for P3
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I think the anime and/or the new official manga translation at least tried to add in a line explaining it away in a way that made it sound like

It was a two stage sarcophagus-type dealio, and Erina rode out in one part while DIO hid in the other.

Reality is that Araki just probably forgot.
 
StaticJam said:
One thing that confused me is that I'm pretty sure Erina rode the coffin out of the boat and yet DIO was in it for P3
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The coffin had a secret compartment where DIO was hiding/sleeping. Both the manga and the Jorge novel acknowledge it. I can't recall if it comes up in the anime.
 
Oh God, the Oingo Boingo brothers.

I'm not really fond of Villain of the Week as a formula, and Stardust Crusaders has been nothing but, but they've all been really entertaining.

Are Parts 4, 5 and 6 structured the same way?
 
Weiss said:
Oh God, the Oingo Boingo brothers.

I'm not really fond of Villain of the Week as a formula, and Stardust Crusaders has been nothing but, but they've all been really entertaining.

Are Parts 4, 5 and 6 structured the same way?
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Yes but it's much better in future parts by a lot
 
It's weird how little Jotaro seems to actually do during the series. Most of the time Polnareff and Kakyoin take the stage.
 
The Alessi episodes are simultaneously a high and low point. Low because the stuff with Kid Polnareff was super creepy, high because Alessi was a genuinely terrifying opponent and seeing lil' Jotaro beat him into a pulp was amazing.
 
Weiss said:
The Alessi episodes are simultaneously a high and low point. Low because the stuff with Kid Polnareff was super creepy, high because Alessi was a genuinely terrifying opponent and seeing lil' Jotaro beat him into a pulp was amazing.
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Yeahhh...I want to stay on the more optimistic side and say stuff like that was done to pad the episode out instead of anything sexual, but still, a little skeezy.

I do like the Alessi fight in general though, particularly due to Polnareff being noble and grumpy face Jotaro giving his friend a shoulder to cry on.
 
Sibersk Esto said:
Yeahhh...I want to stay on the more optimistic side and say stuff like that was done to pad the episode out instead of anything sexual, but still, a little skeezy.

I do like the Alessi fight in general though, particularly due to Polnareff being noble and grumpy face Jotaro giving his friend a shoulder to cry on.
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The actual fight between Kid Polnareff and Alessi was really good, and it was genuinely tense and exciting because despite how goofy Alessi is, he is dead serious about chopping Polnareff up with his axe, and reverting that woman into a fetus was grossly amazing.

Like, when he first comes across that kid, and just slowly confirms that the kid's helpless before beating the shit out of him? That was horrifying.

EDIT: Also Hol Horse is such an asshole and it's amazing. He's easily the most entertaining of the enemy Stand users, though that's probably because he actually shows up more than once.

Like, that scene with Dio where he's a scheming coward, then tries to commit cold blooded murder, then you actually feel sorry for him because he's totally out of his depth, and then he shoots a dude in the ear and casually pulls a bound and gagged Boingo out of a suitcase. That was incredible.

EDIT 2: Oh my God, the ending to the Hol Horse/Boingo team up had me in tears.
 
Weiss said:
The Alessi episodes are simultaneously a high and low point. Low because the stuff with Kid Polnareff was super creepy, high because Alessi was a genuinely terrifying opponent and seeing lil' Jotaro beat him into a pulp was amazing.
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I liked the description of him at the end: "38yo and single."

Oh really? Can't imagine why.

Weiss said:
Why does this show keep killing dogs?
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I thought that was weird. The yellow temperance one bothered me the most, or maybe Jonathan's dog that Dio killed. Either way, unpleasant.
 
And finished.

That last string of episodes, from Iggy's fight with Pet Shop to the final battle with Dio, were fucking excellent, especially that last one. It wasn't just Jotaro tanking hits until he made the one perfect strike; the two of them slug it out and pull crazier and crazier moves to finish each other off. When Jotaro finally wins, it feels totally earned.

Eagerly looking forward to Diamond is Unbreakable. I kind of want to give the manga another shot, maybe Phantom Blood was just particularly bad, but I think JoJo is better experienced through the anime.
 
Weiss said:
And finished.

That last string of episodes, from Iggy's fight with Pet Shop to the final battle with Dio, were fucking excellent, especially that last one. It wasn't just Jotaro tanking hits until he made the one perfect strike; the two of them slug it out and pull crazier and crazier moves to finish each other off. When Jotaro finally wins, it feels totally earned.

Eagerly looking forward to Diamond is Unbreakable. I kind of want to give the manga another shot, maybe Phantom Blood was just particularly bad, but I think JoJo is better experienced through the anime.
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Part 4 manga is great and you get to see Dat art shift lol
 
Weiss said:
And finished.

That last string of episodes, from Iggy's fight with Pet Shop to the final battle with Dio, were fucking excellent, especially that last one. It wasn't just Jotaro tanking hits until he made the one perfect strike; the two of them slug it out and pull crazier and crazier moves to finish each other off. When Jotaro finally wins, it feels totally earned.

Eagerly looking forward to Diamond is Unbreakable. I kind of want to give the manga another shot, maybe Phantom Blood was just particularly bad, but I think JoJo is better experienced through the anime.
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Phantom blood has definitely aged, but I personally dig the heavy shadows and over the top paneling. Plus I think it fleshes Johnathan out just a bit more. But the art and visuals gets pretty over the top by battle tendency, and of course there's troll Joseph.

As for Crusaders, the art is just straight up better than the anime on a more consistent basis, ESPECIALLY DIO's world.

I would say give it another shot, especially since part 4's art style will be different.
 
Weiss said:
And finished.

That last string of episodes, from Iggy's fight with Pet Shop to the final battle with Dio, were fucking excellent, especially that last one. It wasn't just Jotaro tanking hits until he made the one perfect strike; the two of them slug it out and pull crazier and crazier moves to finish each other off. When Jotaro finally wins, it feels totally earned.

Eagerly looking forward to Diamond is Unbreakable. I kind of want to give the manga another shot, maybe Phantom Blood was just particularly bad, but I think JoJo is better experienced through the anime.
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Go for it! You'll be able to experience the shift in Araki's art which is pretty cool.
Experiencing the evolution of Araki's art was one of my favorite things about reading the manga.
 
Weiss said:
And finished.

That last string of episodes, from Iggy's fight with Pet Shop to the final battle with Dio, were fucking excellent, especially that last one. It wasn't just Jotaro tanking hits until he made the one perfect strike; the two of them slug it out and pull crazier and crazier moves to finish each other off. When Jotaro finally wins, it feels totally earned.

Eagerly looking forward to Diamond is Unbreakable. I kind of want to give the manga another shot, maybe Phantom Blood was just particularly bad, but I think JoJo is better experienced through the anime.
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If you prefer the anime you might as well wait for the Part 4 anime. Going back and reading the previous parts is never a bad thing, though. The art is still awesome.
 
JadedWriter said:
Somebody on gaf just said Naruto has better OP's than Jojo...I can't even believe it.
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He isn't really wrong though. The Jojo anime can't really compete to Naruto's highs, maybe when Obari comes outta no where and does an episode of key animation for part 4 then maybe. Obviously Naruto's writing is garbage but early Jojo isn't exactly amazing either, Araki didn't know wtf he was doing for like 200 chapters.
 
So uh, no Manga spoilers, but if I wanted to read the JoJO manga, what would be the best way to start?I don't really follow Jojo, but I know all about your Dios and your Za Warudos. But is the manga split up..?
 
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