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You're not wrong, almost all of the praise here seems to comes from Batman being the easiest sell ever.
WadiumArcadium
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In the bath?
Sibersk Esto
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I heard Warner Bros. was so worried about the movie that they let some guys from a different company watch the movie. That's how worried they were. They had no faith. They were like, do you guys want to buy this movie from us? We can't handle it. We're afraid it's not going to make a billion dollars. We're so afraid. Hold us. And whisper to me that it's all going to be okay.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah, the other host was the one who called that into question. He simply said that the suits are nervous the movie isn't in a position to do what they need it to do.
Suits could be wrong. But he's basically cementing the narrative that WB is, and has been, completely reactive instead of proactive.
It should, since he still hasn't seen it and hasn't said whether he likes it or not due to that.
timetokill
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Looks to have better fight scenes than Nolan's Batman, but that should be a given considering it's Snyder.
The problem is, considering it's Snyder, is the likelihood that everything else will be worse.
The problem is, considering it's Snyder, is the likelihood that everything else will be worse.
Kenzodielocke
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Snyder is only directing, not writing.
timetokill
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My point is that Snyder's directing outside of fight scenes is generally lacking.
I fully expect Snyder's "Batman" to be better, but his "Bruce Wayne" to be worse than Nolan's.
Sibersk Esto
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If anything I expect Affleck to be a good Bruce Wayne but a meh batman when the film isn't propping him up with movie magic. The little we've seen of him in the suit not doing action scenes makes him look like a goober.
BadAss2961
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I wish he had hinted at what's supposedly wrong with the film. He's heard Batman is great, Eisenberg is GREAT. So... what's not so great?
Those guys, especially Lex, can only be but so good in a movie that doesn't match.
Frosty @ Collider heard that Gal was great as WW
MonkeyMan29
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Smokey_Run
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It will start filming in a few months.
BadAss2961
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I know Batman is totally covered under Snyder. That might be all you need to break the box office.
Superman should be good, but whether people will love him in this movie is up in the air.
If they nail Wonder Woman, we got no worries.
MonkeyMan29
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I knew it was something like that. Wouldn't do WB any good to remove him from the role at this point, it would only make matters worse.
If it was so terrible, they wouldn't cut him once he finished BvS.
I think Snyder's Batman will crush it in every way.
April to be exact.
Except that Drew McWeeny is a professional film journalist with a couple decades worth of experience and connections. He's very much in the thick of it.
If (especially as a fan of Man of Steel) he's admitting that the word on the street is that the film blows, then it probably blows.
Did you miss his 'no jokes' article? Followed by a trailer full of jokes.
Smokey_Run
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Him, just like the rest of that crew, are usually more wrong than right about everything they report.
Bobby Roberts
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I think it's less that the movie is bad, but more that they're not sure that it's exactly what they wanted. But then again, it also seems like they're not sure exactly what they wanted going into any part of this.
The picture being painted of WB execs just sorta rolling dice and hoping for the best has been more or less solidified as a narrative, so him & Faraci hearing from people inside the studio that they're nervous about this landing as hard as they need it to isn't really surprising.
Worst case scenario: People want it to be Skyfall and it ends up being Spectre.
That's not good. It's not necessarily BAD - but it's not what they need right now.
I think the speculation that they're trying to get Affleck to move up the Batman movie is a little wrongheaded, though. I'd be more willing to put money on them dumping whatever they can in Miller's lap to take over Justice League.
Did you miss the fact that one bad story based off conjecture doesn't discredit the fact that he's got a good reputation and a beyond solid record? Nor that the current word of mouth is based off of reactions from people who have actually seen the film?
Surprisingly I enjoyed Affleck and this new hybrid sidekick Alfred they got going. Not a big fan of Amy Adams. And Eisenberg just doesn't have the look for Lex but I've always enjoyed the condescending tone behind his voice which I think is perfect. Action looks MUCH better than the Nolan series. And I feel Wonder Woman shouldn't have even been in the movie and left the spotlight to the two main eventers. All in all, looks a lot better than I expected and I'm looking forward to watching it.
Smokey_Run
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Just like how every preview screening for studio people ends with a standing ovation and tears, right?
Found it on his twitter
Granted, I don't know how reliable he is either so it could be nothing
It could be studio execs who think it sucks and won't make enough money. It could be studio execs who have no concept of quality cinematic art but they're worried it's not commercial enough to make enough money. They could be worried like I was anxious about a big exam. After all, there's a lot riding on these monster blockbusters. Or the cause for concern comes from any other entity you could imagine. The whole thing was a lot of vaguery.
This. Doesn't help that they're coming off of a terrible 2015 and there have been rumors of a takeover of WB. Executives are worrying about their jobs, and their futures are heavily tied with this film.
Found it on his twitter
Granted, I don't know how reliable he is either so it could be nothing
That's the one. Frosty is good, it's the guys over at Collider video that aren't that reliable.
This level of strength works for me. In the context of being a superhero movie it doesn't feel superhuman. He's not breaking concrete, he's throwing people through drywall and body-slamming them into wooden floorboards. And he's lifting people the way people would be lifted.
It's right around where I'd like the portrayal of Batman's strength to be.
Are you referring to that one time for a film that (let's not forget) ended up a critical hit and a huge box office success?
NealMcCauley
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He didn't really say it outright, but it sounds like Snyder will be the scapegoat if things turn sour.
bob_arctor
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Man. That was a fucking awesome trailer. Hype Train is running express, fellas.
Sibersk Esto
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WB will not have any problem getting a successful batman film, they can market it in their sleep. Hell, man of steel's marketing played up its connection to nolan's bat films as hard as it could.
But if WB's expectations for BvS are "drum up interest in the entice DC cinematic universe, yes including the non batman ones", then maybe they would have some worry over whether or not it succeeds in that regard.
But if WB's expectations for BvS are "drum up interest in the entice DC cinematic universe, yes including the non batman ones", then maybe they would have some worry over whether or not it succeeds in that regard.
If WB are going to 'change' their DC slate it's going to be stuff like Cyborg and Green Lantern Corps, projects that are scheduled for years from now and haven't even started hiring creatives yet. But even then that's a far fetched 'maybe' in a worst case scenario.
Remember that WB announced their DCU slate to Wall Street because they are going to make it the cornerstone of the studio's slate moving forward? This is a major part of their game plan going forward. Jeff Bewkes (head of Time Warner) talked about the film at the corporation's quarterly report Q&A literally just the other day.
For them to suddenly scrap more than half a dozen films based on the 'mixed' feedback on early BvS screenings (or whatever) is nonsense. I can't even conceive of a situation where this would happen. It would literally have to be an apocalyptic event for them to change direction at this point.
Drew McWeeny is one of the better film writers out there but I think it's worth noting that beyond various bits of industry gossip he's playing catch up like the rest of us with a lot of the news he writes about coming from the trades...., just like us.
But to give his 'news' a little more framing I have no idea what he means when he says that Wonder Woman "will be finished the way they are working on it and they'll release it". Really Drew, you think that they will release a super expensive film that's in the middle of filming? Great insight, man.
The way he talks about Justice League getting cancelled and Zack Snyder being shunted out of the door entirely can only mean that BvS is absolutely terrible and is going to bomb because given what I know about the studio and the way the brass loves Snyder it would have to be a John Carter sized bomb for that to happen.
For what it's worth, a few years ago Warners were nervous about one of their sequels before it was due to be released. At an internal studio screening many people thought that it was too close to Michael Mann's crime thriller Heat and it strayed away from the original film and the source material. I suppose you could say that the opinions were mixed.
That film was
.
In short, we'll see for ourselves soon enough.
Remember that WB announced their DCU slate to Wall Street because they are going to make it the cornerstone of the studio's slate moving forward? This is a major part of their game plan going forward. Jeff Bewkes (head of Time Warner) talked about the film at the corporation's quarterly report Q&A literally just the other day.
For them to suddenly scrap more than half a dozen films based on the 'mixed' feedback on early BvS screenings (or whatever) is nonsense. I can't even conceive of a situation where this would happen. It would literally have to be an apocalyptic event for them to change direction at this point.
Drew McWeeny is one of the better film writers out there but I think it's worth noting that beyond various bits of industry gossip he's playing catch up like the rest of us with a lot of the news he writes about coming from the trades...., just like us.
But to give his 'news' a little more framing I have no idea what he means when he says that Wonder Woman "will be finished the way they are working on it and they'll release it". Really Drew, you think that they will release a super expensive film that's in the middle of filming? Great insight, man.
The way he talks about Justice League getting cancelled and Zack Snyder being shunted out of the door entirely can only mean that BvS is absolutely terrible and is going to bomb because given what I know about the studio and the way the brass loves Snyder it would have to be a John Carter sized bomb for that to happen.
For what it's worth, a few years ago Warners were nervous about one of their sequels before it was due to be released. At an internal studio screening many people thought that it was too close to Michael Mann's crime thriller Heat and it strayed away from the original film and the source material. I suppose you could say that the opinions were mixed.
That film was
The Dark Knight
In short, we'll see for ourselves soon enough.
Smokey_Run
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I've seen this same crew of people (Drew, Devin, Frosty) peddle that same nonsense for a bunch of different films.
I couldn't call him a scapegoat. Seems like they've given him the keys to the castle. It really seems like Snyder is the DC Cinematic Universe outside of Ayer's Suicide Squad, and if he somehow made a bad film to launch it, well oh boy.
I would need specifics. Because while I remember that situation explicitly occurring with TDKR, I also remember that film performing very well. I don't like that movie, by the way. My stake in this isn't personal.
Would love for the film to be great, but if Drew, Devin, and Frosty are peddling bad word of mouth this close to release, I'd be concerned. I highly doubt it's just "studio execs concerned about profitability". Those guys aren't really the sort to rub shoulders with the press.
A+ to Man of Steel, iirc.
MDSLKTR
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Well a thread just got made about this article, too much good DC buzz to handle today for neckbeards it seems
Heh - talk about a mean-spirited and totally transparent defense mechanism. Who are you kidding, buddy?
BadAss2961
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They've been sitting on this movie just about finished for several months now. All indications were that those on the inside were very happy with BvS, but there's a lot riding on it. The stakes are higher than ever for WB. They need this bad. It's only natural to be a little nervous when you're starting something new and have billion or bust type expectations.
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