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Alienous said:
He's talking as if the movie making a billion dollars is even in question.
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Man of Steel didn't come close to a billion, Snyder has never directed anything that's come close to a billion, the vast majority of Batman movies haven't come close to a billion, and the two Batman movies that did barely hit a billion.

It's far from a sure thing.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I think it's less that the movie is bad, but more that they're not sure that it's exactly what they wanted. But then again, it also seems like they're not sure exactly what they wanted going into any part of this.

The picture being painted of WB execs just sorta rolling dice and hoping for the best has been more or less solidified as a narrative, so him & Faraci hearing from people inside the studio that they're nervous about this landing as hard as they need it to isn't really surprising.

Worst case scenario: People want it to be Skyfall and it ends up being Spectre.

That's not good. It's not necessarily BAD - but it's not what they need right now.

I think the speculation that they're trying to get Affleck to move up the Batman movie is a little wrongheaded, though. I'd be more willing to put money on them dumping whatever they can in Miller's lap to take over Justice League.
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This is a great analogy by the way. I think that sums up what Drew was perhaps trying to suggest regards what the studio expects versus what it might eventually rake in.
 
Daft_Cat said:
Would love for the film to be great, but if Drew, Devin, and Frosty are peddling bad word of mouth this close to release, I'd be concerned. I highly doubt it's just "studio execs concerned about profitability". Those guys aren't really the sort to rub shoulders with the press.
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So interns who heard from those execs? Who would be the ones rubbing shoulders with press?

We know nothing about where the concern is coming from and what the basis for it is. So we don't know the source's relationship and the context for the concern. After all, it's not like mentions quality of the film, just concern it won't make enough money.
 
Fun trailer. Not much longer now.

I can't wait to watch this movie on real IMAX here in Orlando.


KDash31987 said:
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Further cements my prediction that WW will have the biggest "wow"' moments in the movie. WB is sitting on a goldmine with the character, and will introduce her with a bang.
 
Foggy said:
So interns who heard from those execs? Who would be the ones rubbing shoulders with press?

We know nothing about where the concern is coming from and what the basis for it is. So we don't know the source's relationship and the context for the concern. After all, it's not like mentions quality of the film, just concern it won't make enough money.
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It could just as easily be coming from some filmmaker who was shown the film in an early preview type setting for whatever reason (happens all the time), who grimaced off the record when asked about it at some function. Could be from a rival exec at the same studio. I don't know, but I would say that bad word of mouth, if it is indeed coming from someone who has seen the film, is less likely to be coming from someone whose job it is to be concerned about profitability.

And as per the bolded, according to Drew, the concern is coming from people that have seen the film, and the basis for it is the film itself.
 
How much pressure did SW7's performance put on this one, do you think?

I mean, it obviously wasn't gonna do those numbers but if I doesn't hit, say, Furious 7nmbers, is it a fail, internally?
 
Busty said:
This is a great analogy by the way. I think that sums up what Drew was perhaps trying to suggest regards what the studio expects versus what it might eventually rake in.
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Yeah could be an Age of Ultron situation where it performs admirably but just clearly wasn't what the studio was expecting.

I think it would be hasty for them to scrap anything just on that basis though.
 
This argument about Warner being reactive and so on is baffling to me. That video is weird. This random person positions it as such that the movie needs to make a billion dollars for people to keep their jobs. He indirectly points to that mark as some barometer of perceived success for Warner. He may not say it, but he's pretty much driving towards a similar point. That, apparently, this is what the suits at Warner Bros. are worried about. What if it's not successful enough for them to head straight into Justice League? He points towards the marketing potentially focusing on Batman, and whether Warner Bros. will potentially fast track a Batman movie.

These points are, in a nutshell, stupid. Simply because it's clear why they'd focus marketing on Batman, and it's clear why they'd want to fast track a Batman movie; he's their most bankable superhero. Rearranging the slate for that isn't being reactive, it's something that should be expected, and they likely have contingency in place for that. It's about timing ultimately. They should be looking at how to fit that character in, and take as much advantage of him as possible. It's a lot of money you're talking about since he can potentially generate a billion plus dollars on his own. Even Batman v Superman is largely being carried by Batman. Inserting him in there doesn't hurt your slate. It's only to your benefit to do so.

The entire video is shlock, quite frankly. It's like these folks have no concept of how these things actually work in business. Somehow there seems to have been this narrative that's grown online on this message board, and I'm assuming elsewhere on the internet considering this internet video and I'm assuming many others like it, that they're really worried about this project, and Man of Steel wasn't the best way to start things off. This way of thinking is when diehard fans or internet journalists give their opinions too much credence when they don't really mean as much in reality. Any suit is going to have a little bit of anxiousness about a huge production. That goes without saying. That has nothing to do with indications about the movie's quality. They have an entire slate of movies planned so it's in their best interests to knock it out of the park financially, and at least be somewhat successful critically.

They've had plenty of time to plan their slate. They've been proactive about things in that respect, which is why you see Suicide Squad close to release, Wonder Woman entering production, which shows they have their plan. There's obviously both a business and creative plan in place. This slate was announced as one of the cornerstones of their production moving forward. They may not have been the first to create a series of interconnected superhero movies, but that doesn't mean every decision after has been reactive, nor that being reactive is a bad thing. Of course they have to be reactive too. As things change, modify, evolve, you react and adapt. That's the timing aspect in any business as you judge the market and your potential. That doesn't negate being proactive, and the business process always consists of both of those elements. It's like psuedo business experts trying to give their little take on things without having any clue because they've never been involved in this kind of process.

Is the plan good? Will it work? These are different matters entirely. Not that folks with this kind of limited understanding would do a good job of analyzing that either.
 
Daft_Cat said:
It could just as easily be some filmmaker who was shown the film in an early preview type setting (happens all the time), who grimaced off the record when asked at some function. Could be from a rival exec at the same studio. But I would say that bad word of mouth, if it is indeed coming from someone who has seen the film, is less likely to be coming from someone whose job it is to be concerned about profitability.

And as per the bolded, according to Drew, the concern is coming from people that have seen the film, and the basis for it is the film itself.
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Well, the bolded is in regards to the legitimacy of the person voicing the concern. Not worried about a suit's opinion as opposed to a filmmaker like you suggested. Can't say I hold a suit's artistic opinions in high regard.

Regardless, it's just too flimsy and nebulous to draw any sensible conclusion from what he said. But no biggie, it's not like we have to wait too long to hear from critics and see for ourselves. All in due time.
 
Yep. Batman throwing down for the first time properly realized on the big screen. FINALLY!!!!!!!

Looks like Snyder got the memo after the Nolan Batman fights.
 
LosDaddie said:
Fun trailer. Not much longer now.

I can't wait to watch this movie on real IMAX here in Orlando.




Further cements my prediction that WW will have the biggest "wow"' moments in the movie. WB is sitting on a goldmine with the character, and will introduce her with a bang.
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I can see WW being the big take away from the movie, it was smart of WB to have her movie positioned earlier.

If executives are getting cold feet, it kind of contradicts how they received it earlier.

I find this news coming out within a couple of hours of the trailer coming out pretty opportune, but w/e.
 
TheVampire said:
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This batman seems so much more powerfull then Bale's
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Well, I'd hope so. Nolan was going for realism. And considering how Snyder portrayed Superman in the previous film, Batman was gonna have to seriously be on the juice to not make their confrontations entirely laughable.
 
Says something about Batman's cinematic history when all the coolest fight bits in this trailer are attributed to an influence from a game series barely 6 years old.
 
Daft_Cat said:
Did you miss the fact that one bad story based off conjecture doesn't discredit the fact that he's got a good reputation and a beyond solid record? Nor that the current word of mouth is based off of reactions from people who have actually seen the film?
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I'm just saying the 'in the no' thing doesn't add up when the script contradicts an entire article he put out. If he'd had any real access to the production, that article would've never been published. So I'm skeptical that this is anything more than a 'I heard this rumour' piece.

And I say that as someone who intensely dislikes Man of Steel.
 
LosDaddie said:
Further cements my prediction that WW will have the biggest "wow"' moments in the movie. WB is sitting on a goldmine with the character, and will introduce her with a bang.
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As a cameo on a movie that doesn't even have her name on the title.

It is Superman/Batman: Apocalypse all over again =P

Diana deserved a better introduction
 
Don't remind us all of the forced, snapshot romance between Clark and Lois. Literally came out of nowhere. I rolled my eyes when I saw that bathtub shot. Deadpool had a more convincing love life.
 
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