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It's begun...



going to see how it compares to the Oppo 103D for upscaling and speed on some standard blu rays, and and see the visual difference of Exodus as well.

I've got the exact same combo earlier today only to find out that my x940c can't play HDR content off of 4K blu-ray discs. Well, not before the HDMI ports are updated to 2.0a, that is.
 
Sony shows 2/9 firmware update on their website that adds HDMI HDR support.

Correct. I had the same issue until I saw that and updated. Now as soon as the disc loads, the tv automatically switches to HDR.

The Martian looks amazing, Kingsman looks pretty good as well.
 
It's begun...



going to see how it compares to the Oppo 103D for upscaling and speed on some standard blu rays, and and see the visual difference of Exodus as well.

Waiting on your review. I'm hearing some major mixed results with that player. From sound issues to issues with WCG + HDR. Though I'm suspecting its something to do with their receivers or using on 18gbs Hdmi cables.

Pretty nice changes for the oleds that MrJames posted, hardly worth the upgrade for me though as I got a basically flawless EF9500. The 77" is too much to justify. I'll probably wait it out another year or so before I swap. Though that can change on a whim with me lol.
 
Sony shows 2/9 firmware update on their website that adds HDMI HDR support.

Correct. I had the same issue until I saw that and updated. Now as soon as the disc loads, the tv automatically switches to HDR.

The Martian looks amazing, Kingsman looks pretty good as well.

Thanks, guys. I was under the impression the TV would be updated automatically as it has in the past. I'll take a look at the website. :-)
 
Waiting on your review. I'm hearing some major mixed results with that player. From sound issues to issues with WCG + HDR. Though I'm suspecting its something to do with their receivers or using on 18gbs Hdmi cables.

Pretty nice changes for the oleds that MrJames posted, hardly worth the upgrade for me though as I got a basically flawless EF9500. The 77" is too much to justify. I'll probably wait it out another year or so before I swap. Though that can change on a whim with me lol.

Yeah those are some nice changes on the 2016's but going to hold off til next year before getting something to replace the EF.

I'm still doing some testing and will be reviewing movies upscaled on the Oppo, Samsung, and then 4K, but also lightspace, wow, avs709, and tracking with a HDR window pattern clip.

So far though I am checking what all the settings actually do and how they interact with the display.

A few things off hand though, is it is much faster than the Oppo. I posted some times on AVS. I have teh exact times on a note pad at home for oppo and samsung. Here is just a quick summary

From complete power off stand by mode, to menu. it takes approx 9.7 seconds. Where the Oppo 103D is twice that. From disc load to the first menu in this case the Avengers Age of Ultron, and the first menu being where you select the language it is approx 14.8 seconds, about 6 seconds less than the Oppo. From the minute you hit play movie from the main menu, to the piracy screen it is 3 seconds, and 13.7 seconds to the movie starting.

For upscaling right now I'm giving the edge to the Samsung. It produces a much cleaner looking picture. I'm going to verify this with some test patterns tonight though.

The remote sucks on this At first it didn't seem so bad, but it is just too small and feels cheap. I already added it to my harmony elite so I won't be using it anyways.

The disc drive doesn't sound right when ejecting and closing. It is not smooth or quite. It sounds rickety. I'm almost considering exchanging it to see if there is a problem with this one, it is that loud.

The start up and spinning you can hear and is louder than the Oppo.

The build quality just doesn't feel premium. I only paid 230 for it but even though it doesn't have the same solid, premium build quality the Oppo has which is disappointing for something that cost $400.

The menus are snappy though the GUI is so bad.

Overall it will come down to performance, but I'm pretty sure once the Oppo releases I'll get rid of this one and go with that.

As for clarity, and detail. wow. UHD blu rays are the real deal. The detail is so clean.

I'm checking right now what settings are available in ISF modes when HDR is on. Once I gather all my info I'll post it on AVS and here.
 
Yeah those are some nice changes on the 2016's but going to hold off til next year before getting something to replace the EF.

I'm still doing some testing and will be reviewing movies upscaled on the Oppo, Samsung, and then 4K, but also lightspace, wow, avs709, and tracking with a HDR window pattern clip.

So far though I am checking what all the settings actually do and how they interact with the display.

A few things off hand though, is it is much faster than the Oppo. I posted some times on AVS. I have teh exact times on a note pad at home for oppo and samsung. Here is just a quick summary

From complete power off stand by mode, to menu. it takes approx 9.7 seconds. Where the Oppo 103D is twice that. From disc load to the first menu in this case the Avengers Age of Ultron, and the first menu being where you select the language it is approx 14.8 seconds, about 6 seconds less than the Oppo. From the minute you hit play movie from the main menu, to the piracy screen it is 3 seconds, and 13.7 seconds to the movie starting.

For upscaling right now I'm giving the edge to the Samsung. It produces a much cleaner looking picture. I'm going to verify this with some test patterns tonight though.

The remote sucks on this At first it didn't seem so bad, but it is just too small and feels cheap. I already added it to my harmony elite so I won't be using it anyways.

The disc drive doesn't sound right when ejecting and closing. It is not smooth or quite. It sounds rickety. I'm almost considering exchanging it to see if there is a problem with this one, it is that loud.

The start up and spinning you can hear and is louder than the Oppo.

The build quality just doesn't feel premium. I only paid 230 for it but even though it doesn't have the same solid, premium build quality the Oppo has which is disappointing for something that cost $400.

The menus are snappy though the GUI is so bad.

Overall it will come down to performance, but I'm pretty sure once the Oppo releases I'll get rid of this one and go with that.

As for clarity, and detail. wow. UHD blu rays are the real deal. The detail is so clean.

I'm checking right now what settings are available in ISF modes when HDR is on. Once I gather all my info I'll post it on AVS and here.

Seems to have issues with 10bit colour according to AVS, banding and audio issues, seems everyone is confused what settings actually do what, but I guess Samsung were never gonna get this player right straight out of the gate. That would have been too easy! Hopefully it'll be sorted before the UK release next month.
 
Should I hold off for Samsung newer 4k TV lineup this year or go for a js9000 4k? Any one have a js9000?
 
Should I hold off for Samsung newer 4k TV lineup this year or go for a js9000 4k? Any one have a js9000?

Yes I do, its fantastic, very low lag, excellent blacks, and can do anything the new models can do, 600nits vs newer model 1000nits peak brightness! I can tell you it's more than capable of giving a great HDR experience. Good time to buy one of these for a bargain.
 
Yes I do, its fantastic, very low lag, excellent blacks, and can do anything the new models can do, 600nits vs newer model 1000nits peak brightness! I can tell you it's more than capable of giving a great HDR experience. Good time to buy one of these for a bargain.

Buuuuuuut...the new models are super super close. How bad do you need it?
 
It's a case of if you wait the 9000 series will probably be all sold out for good, and you'd save a ton of money, in the UK it's £1000 difference from when the 9000 launched to now. If you're not fussed with the cost so much, then just wait and see, maybe there will be some 9000's in stock still if you decide the new set isn't worth the extra. Difficult one.
 
Those of you with the 55EG9100, the input lag is about 44ms. How are you guys finding it for gaming, especially for fast twitch gaming like FPS or fighting games?
 
Those of you with the 55EG9100, the input lag is about 44ms. How are you guys finding it for gaming, especially for fast twitch gaming like FPS or fighting games?
0 issues here. Maintaining a 3.0+ kd/r and 330+ spm in CoD without any problems. Btw, naming the input "PC" lowers the input lag even further.

I'm incredibly anal about input latency, but I honestly can't feel it on this set. No idea if anything changed between models, but I have the 2016 version.
 
So I get my new TV today - went with the Sony 55X810C - I'm on a budget and from what I read this is a good basic 4K TV for the price - just over 1K after taxes.

Anyway I'm checking it all out, messing with settings, of course a major concern is how PS4 displays. It defaults to the Game setting, and after playing a few titles I'm feeling that the image is just kind of "washed out" in a way that I don't have the knowledge to quantify properly. My 6 year old Samsung 1080p set that this is replacing seemed to be better. I messed with some sub-settings and still was feeling a creeping disappointment. On a whim I changed the Game display setting to Standard and holy crap, the image just popped, and was even more vibrant than my old TV. Went through the games again and across the board, SW Battlefront, Witcher 3, Dying Light, Fallout 4, all looked significantly better on the standard setting. Control felt identical to me across both settings, whatever the input lag was it was completely unnoticeable.

Weird that the dedicated Game visual setting was worse. Anyone else experienced something similar?
 
So I had some time to do some more evaluation of the UHD blu ray player and Exodus blu ray upscaled between the Oppo and the Samsung as well as the UHD Exodus blu ray.

First off for those with an EF9500 a few things.

Do not urn on ULTRA HD deep color, leave that off. It seems to brighten the picture a little too much, as well as it seemed in one instance it didn't turn HDR on, unless I missed the flag saying it was on.

also for EF owners, it takes your settings for anything you had and they can be adjusted though certain ones are locked out when HDR is on, So once calibration practices and test discs are available it will be a pain to calibrate because for example you cannot change the method (20 point, or 2 point)

The settings that are locked out are as follows

OLED Light
Contrast
Expert Pattern
Gamma

in the White balance menu method is locked (method is 2 or 20pt)
Pattern

So ex. if you wanted to change to 20 point you have to turn off the disc change it then go back in.

So as for up scaling standard blu rays. I already mentioned how much faster this is over the Oppo, but here are more exact numbers

time in seconds

Boot/Power on to menu
Oppo: 19.74 / Samsung: 9.72

Disc load to menu (disc was age of ultron first menu is language selection)
Oppo: 20.49 / Samsung: 14.83

Selecting play movie
Oppo: 5.2 to piracy screen & 18.3 to movie start / Samsung: 3 to piracy screen & 14.0 to movie start

The Samung is overall cleaner and up scales better. Cleaner edges, less noise. Though this started to get me thinking and I looked at several scenes over and over. I'm almost thinking that the Samsung has some sort of noise reduction taking place that cannot be turned off, as well as some possible edge enhancement.

What made me notice this is if you watch exodus, and the very first scene where you see Moses, he is sitting in a chair and he is kind of looking down. i'll add time stamp later. Anyways at that scene, the top of his tunic that is metal, the lower right corner the more lighted side, has more noise on the Oppo than the Samsung. i noticed this in several other areas as well.

So what I did next was checked some sharpening patterns as well as multi burst patterns.

On the sharpening ones on AVS709 you can see less noise in the blue in the upper right section vs the Oppo.

the multiburst looked good though I didn't see any problems with sharpness or loss of definition. the Oppo was fine here, both basically the same.

One thing to note at least in my case is the Samsung doesn't start at correct chapter on AVS709 when looking at near black patterns. It starts at 4%, and you cannot go back. you can try to go back to 3% but it skips you back to 4%.

As for the UHD version of Exodus, the detail is real. so clean. the one downside is that you will need another profile for calibration because I found that the highlights were fine but on some scenes I think it was crushing some shadow detail. The only time I felt like I lost detail in the highlights is when Moses came back from battle to talk to the Ramseys father when he was sitting outside. the mountain in the far left was almost clipping.

I'm going to make some adjustments and see what I can come up with.

overall I'm pleased with the content, not a huge fan of the samsung. Just lacks in quality, but performance is solid so far. until I really start digging in I guess.
 
So I had some time to do some more evaluation of the UHD blu ray player and Exodus blu ray upscaled between the Oppo and the Samsung as well as the UHD Exodus blu ray.

First off for those with an EF9500 a few things.

Do not urn on ULTRA HD deep color, leave that off. It seems to brighten the picture a little too much, as well as it seemed in one instance it didn't turn HDR on, unless I missed the flag saying it was on.

also for EF owners, it takes your settings for anything you had and they can be adjusted though certain ones are locked out when HDR is on, So once calibration practices and test discs are available it will be a pain to calibrate because for example you cannot change the method (20 point, or 2 point)

The settings that are locked out are as follows

OLED Light
Contrast
Expert Pattern
Gamma

in the White balance menu method is locked (method is 2 or 20pt)
Pattern

So ex. if you wanted to change to 20 point you have to turn off the disc change it then go back in.

So as for up scaling standard blu rays. I already mentioned how much faster this is over the Oppo, but here are more exact numbers

time in seconds

Boot/Power on to menu
Oppo: 19.74 / Samsung: 9.72

Disc load to menu (disc was age of ultron first menu is language selection)
Oppo: 20.49 / Samsung: 14.83

Selecting play movie
Oppo: 5.2 to piracy screen & 18.3 to movie start / Samsung: 3 to piracy screen & 14.0 to movie start

The Samung is overall cleaner and up scales better. Cleaner edges, less noise. Though this started to get me thinking and I looked at several scenes over and over. I'm almost thinking that the Samsung has some sort of noise reduction taking place that cannot be turned off, as well as some possible edge enhancement.

What made me notice this is if you watch exodus, and the very first scene where you see Moses, he is sitting in a chair and he is kind of looking down. i'll add time stamp later. Anyways at that scene, the top of his tunic that is metal, the lower right corner the more lighted side, has more noise on the Oppo than the Samsung. i noticed this in several other areas as well.

So what I did next was checked some sharpening patterns as well as multi burst patterns.

On the sharpening ones on AVS709 you can see less noise in the blue in the upper right section vs the Oppo.

the multiburst looked good though I didn't see any problems with sharpness or loss of definition. the Oppo was fine here, both basically the same.

One thing to note at least in my case is the Samsung doesn't start at correct chapter on AVS709 when looking at near black patterns. It starts at 4%, and you cannot go back. you can try to go back to 3% but it skips you back to 4%.

As for the UHD version of Exodus, the detail is real. so clean. the one downside is that you will need another profile for calibration because I found that the highlights were fine but on some scenes I think it was crushing some shadow detail. The only time I felt like I lost detail in the highlights is when Moses came back from battle to talk to the Ramseys father when he was sitting outside. the mountain in the far left was almost clipping.

I'm going to make some adjustments and see what I can come up with.

overall I'm pleased with the content, not a huge fan of the samsung. Just lacks in quality, but performance is solid so far. until I really start digging in I guess.

Were the HDR spectral highlights really popping? Wondering if it's improved since the demo of Exodus HDR.
 
If I were to get a blu-ray drive for my gaming PC and buy a 4k movie like The Martian would I be able to watch it on my 4K tv? I would rather do that then buy a $400 dedicated 4k player.
 
Question: Is AVS709 outdated for newer TVs? I'm thinking it's based on Rec.709 and now that we have DCI-P3, shouldn't we be calibrating our TVs with AVS- DCI-P3 or something like that?
 
No idea where you read/heard that, but it's utter horseshit.

Some tech forums, but there are those who agree and others who don't and I am confused. They even say that 120 Hz TVs are just overclocked from 60HZ and you get fuzzy picture when the scene is quick like on Football game or 60 FPS games.
 
Question: Is AVS709 outdated for newer TVs? I'm thinking it's based on Rec.709 and now that we have DCI-P3, shouldn't we be calibrating our TVs with AVS- DCI-P3 or something like that?

It's certainly not outdated, your new TV would be calibrated to rec 709 for TV shows, Blu Ray etc, and other inputs or settings would be calibrated to P3 for Ultra 4K Blu, and whatever else that uses expanded colour.
 
So I had some time to do some more evaluation of the UHD blu ray player and Exodus blu ray upscaled between the Oppo and the Samsung as well as the UHD Exodus blu ray.

First off for those with an EF9500 a few things.

Do not urn on ULTRA HD deep color, leave that off. It seems to brighten the picture a little too much, as well as it seemed in one instance it didn't turn HDR on, unless I missed the flag saying it was on.

also for EF owners, it takes your settings for anything you had and they can be adjusted though certain ones are locked out when HDR is on, So once calibration practices and test discs are available it will be a pain to calibrate because for example you cannot change the method (20 point, or 2 point)

The settings that are locked out are as follows

OLED Light
Contrast
Expert Pattern
Gamma

in the White balance menu method is locked (method is 2 or 20pt)
Pattern

So ex. if you wanted to change to 20 point you have to turn off the disc change it then go back in.

So as for up scaling standard blu rays. I already mentioned how much faster this is over the Oppo, but here are more exact numbers

time in seconds

Boot/Power on to menu
Oppo: 19.74 / Samsung: 9.72

Disc load to menu (disc was age of ultron first menu is language selection)
Oppo: 20.49 / Samsung: 14.83

Selecting play movie
Oppo: 5.2 to piracy screen & 18.3 to movie start / Samsung: 3 to piracy screen & 14.0 to movie start

The Samung is overall cleaner and up scales better. Cleaner edges, less noise. Though this started to get me thinking and I looked at several scenes over and over. I'm almost thinking that the Samsung has some sort of noise reduction taking place that cannot be turned off, as well as some possible edge enhancement.

What made me notice this is if you watch exodus, and the very first scene where you see Moses, he is sitting in a chair and he is kind of looking down. i'll add time stamp later. Anyways at that scene, the top of his tunic that is metal, the lower right corner the more lighted side, has more noise on the Oppo than the Samsung. i noticed this in several other areas as well.

So what I did next was checked some sharpening patterns as well as multi burst patterns.

On the sharpening ones on AVS709 you can see less noise in the blue in the upper right section vs the Oppo.

the multiburst looked good though I didn't see any problems with sharpness or loss of definition. the Oppo was fine here, both basically the same.

One thing to note at least in my case is the Samsung doesn't start at correct chapter on AVS709 when looking at near black patterns. It starts at 4%, and you cannot go back. you can try to go back to 3% but it skips you back to 4%.

As for the UHD version of Exodus, the detail is real. so clean. the one downside is that you will need another profile for calibration because I found that the highlights were fine but on some scenes I think it was crushing some shadow detail. The only time I felt like I lost detail in the highlights is when Moses came back from battle to talk to the Ramseys father when he was sitting outside. the mountain in the far left was almost clipping.

I'm going to make some adjustments and see what I can come up with.

overall I'm pleased with the content, not a huge fan of the samsung. Just lacks in quality, but performance is solid so far. until I really start digging in I guess.

Very nice. I'll probably get one in another month or two. Even without a 4K television it looks to be the most complete player on the market in terms of content. It has pretty much every A/V streaming app imaginable except for Kodi but DLNA is there at least. The only thing missing is Dolby Vision capability. Just needs a few firmware updates to iron out the bugs and a few app updates to add HDR where needed.

I'll probably look at the Oppo the way 2015 OLED owners are looking at the 2016 OLEDs. Oppo will need to bring a lot to the table in order to get me to buy a second one so soon.
 
Some tech forums, but there are those who agree and others who don't and I am confused. They even say that 120 Hz RVs are just overclocked from 60HZ adn you get fuzzy picture when the scene is qucik like on Football game or 60 FPS games.

A reliable site for TV reviews is Rtings.com. Many TVs come with a motion interpolation feature that should be disabled for games. Since the rendering of said games is handled by the PC or console, that's the device responsible for whether the game is running below 60fps or at 60fps and higher.
 
A reliable site for TV reviews is Rtings.com. Many TVs come with a motion interpolation feature that should be disabled for games. Since the rendering of said games is handled by the PC or console, that's the device responsible for whether the game is running below 60fps or at 60fps and higher.

Exactly, that is what I just read in that same site about the TV I mentioned : http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/w600b?uxtv=28d2
That TV doesn't have Motion Interpolation and it is stated that it is 240Hz but is just marketing and it is just 60Hz overclocked to like 240Hz.
 
Need an opinion asap...

I need help deciding between 3 TVs. I like the idea of the Vizio M43-C1 but I'll be sitting like 9 feet from the TV (the closest I'd be is about 6 feet away) so does that make it completely pointless to get a 4K 43" TV?

The other ones I'm deciding between are the Samsung UN40H5003 and the Vizio E43 C2. They're much cheaper so I don't know what which would be best.

Edit: Well I got zero opinions and just went with the Samsung. I looked at the M43 and the picture looked nicer but not $200 nicer. The E43 looked fine but the stand for it is the 2 legs type which would not work well in my room. So the choice ended up being pretty easy. It was the cheapest and it's a Samsung so I guess I couldn't go too wrong. Besides I need to start saving money for my next living room TV. I want an OLED so if the input lag isn't absolutely terrible and the prices start dropping I imagine I'll get one next year.
 
SRR7WP2.jpg

:D
 
Those of you with the 55EG9100, the input lag is about 44ms. How are you guys finding it for gaming, especially for fast twitch gaming like FPS or fighting games?

I ordered a 9100 and really hope the lag doesn't bother me. I am currently using a Vizio 2014 E series that has really low lag. It also has local dimming so the blacks are really good already.

I keep debating whether or not to cancel the order and just stick with the Vizio for the time being. I've wanted an OLED for so long that even though I can taste it, I am starting to second guess myself now with the lag and possibly the "dimness" compared to an LED.

I guess I can always test it out and send it back if I don't like it, but that can be a hassle. The lag is in the .41-46ms range even with the input changed to PC and game mode going by Rtings.
 
I ordered a 9100 and really hope the lag doesn't bother me. I am currently using a Vizio 2014 E series that has really low lag. It also has local dimming so the blacks are really good already.

I keep debating whether or not to cancel the order and just stick with the Vizio for the time being. I've wanted an OLED for so long that even though I can taste it, I am starting to second guess myself now with the lag and possibly the "dimness" compared to an LED.

I guess I can always test it out and send it back if I don't like it, but that can be a hassle. The lag is in the .41-46ms range even with the input changed to PC and game mode going by Rtings.

Looking forward to your impressions.
 
It's begun...



going to see how it compares to the Oppo 103D for upscaling and speed on some standard blu rays, and and see the visual difference of Exodus as well.
Yeah, i believe it's time to start thinking about getting a 4k tv. Congrats guys, leave some impression here later ;)

https://youtu.be/MSN5lCuEPMc

LG G6. The guy is blown away lol


Here is a master list of 4k hdr bd titles coming this year

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...ailable-4k-hdr-titles-will-updated-often.html


The Revenant will blow minds*

*If mastered properly
And this is exactly what i'd want to buy. Do we know its price?
 
While E6 and G6 will launch in March, LG has not announced launch dates for B6 and C6 but we hear that the TVs are expected to hit the US around summer and Europe a little later, likely closer to the IFA 2016 show in September.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1455463948

VE owner Robert Zohn who currently has a G6 display in his NY store says in the comments section that the C6/B6 will be out in June.

March is getting close.
 
I ordered a 9100 and really hope the lag doesn't bother me. I am currently using a Vizio 2014 E series that has really low lag. It also has local dimming so the blacks are really good already.

I keep debating whether or not to cancel the order and just stick with the Vizio for the time being. I've wanted an OLED for so long that even though I can taste it, I am starting to second guess myself now with the lag and possibly the "dimness" compared to an LED.

I guess I can always test it out and send it back if I don't like it, but that can be a hassle. The lag is in the .41-46ms range even with the input changed to PC and game mode going by Rtings.

Lag is an odd things with OLEDs. Their lag is from 34-52ms pending model, but they have some of the fastest panel response times around. Though they won't feel as snappy as your vizio.

That OLED is going to blow your vizio e-series out of the water picture wise. Vizios "local dimming" especially with their lower series is not what it's cracked up to be. For example, Sony and Samsung have superior FALD along with better dark panels. You're probably going to get blown away. Only issue I have with the 1080 oleds is the screen door effect.
 
Lag is an odd things with OLEDs. Their lag is from 34-52ms pending model, but they have some of the fastest panel response times around. Though they won't feel as snappy as your vizio.

That OLED is going to blow your vizio e-series out of the water picture wise. Vizios "local dimming" especially with their lower series is not what it's cracked up to be. For example, Sony and Samsung have superior FALD along with better dark panels. You're probably going to get blown away. Only issue I have with the 1080 oleds is the screen door effect.

My Vizio has that screen door effect, the only tv I own where I have noticed it and it stuck out like a sore thumb. 55" is the right size for my space (had a 60" in there and it was a bit too big, the 48" Vizio may be a tiny bit too small), but I'm not too far away from it so I hope to god I don't see the screen door so easily.

The funny thing is, I like the really dark picture and am constantly stunned that an LED can get that dark. I have a 4k M series in the living room too. The PS4 on it doesn't look as good IMO due to the upscaling, which is why I am skipping out on another 4k tv in favor of 1080p for the next couple years probably. I won't be watching movies on it much, and the PS5 and Xbox 4 will still probably not have games in that resolution anyway.

I keep trying to talk myself out of it and hit the cancel button, even though my wife gave me the go-ahead. I just got down playing Disney Infinity with my kids and the blacks and contrast on the Star Wars intro looked great and for that moment I was content and didn't need another tv.

Ah well, I guess I can just always have UPS take it back if I don't like it. The lag will be the big killer for me. If I can sense it, I'll have tremendous buyer's remorse. I don't play online games or competitive shooters, so it's not the end-all but still...it will bug me.
 
June for B6 really sucks! It will take even longer here in Europe.

I really question the popularity of the B6. I mean, most people already have a surround system in place right?

Either way, the B6/E6 in March is still exciting for me because I'll get to read hands-on experiences. I'm hoping for less issues.
 
I'm starting to float the idea in my head regarding upgrading my TV, so I'm open to some suggestions...

I'm currently still rocking my trusty Samsung HL67A750 67" 1080p LED DLP and have always loved it, dread the day it kicks the bucket...

I don't know how much I can downgrade in size over the 750, so its probably gonna have to be 65+ for me...

I'm not looking to spend an arm and a leg, bit I'm willing to pay for quality..hit me with some suggestions TV gaf
 
My Vizio has that screen door effect, the only tv I own where I have noticed it and it stuck out like a sore thumb. 55" is the right size for my space (had a 60" in there and it was a bit too big, the 48" Vizio may be a tiny bit too small), but I'm not too far away from it so I hope to god I don't see the screen door so easily.

The funny thing is, I like the really dark picture and am constantly stunned that an LED can get that dark. I have a 4k M series in the living room too. The PS4 on it doesn't look as good IMO due to the upscaling, which is why I am skipping out on another 4k tv in favor of 1080p for the next couple years probably. I won't be watching movies on it much, and the PS5 and Xbox 4 will still probably not have games in that resolution anyway.

I keep trying to talk myself out of it and hit the cancel button, even though my wife gave me the go-ahead. I just got down playing Disney Infinity with my kids and the blacks and contrast on the Star Wars intro looked great and for that moment I was content and didn't need another tv.

If you think the contrast of a LED like a e-series vizio looks good you're in for a treat with an OLED. As far as upconversion goes, it comes down to the tv. My tv did a incredible job upconverting battlefront for example, among other games as well with the ps4.
 
UHD Blu-Ray impressions:

For this initial wave of releases, if you are expecting a huge increase in PQ due to increased resolution...you will be disappointed. There are improvements, but it's not game changing (yet) (at least from the titles I've viewed)

But that's ok.

HDR is what makes it all worth it.

The increase in localized contrast is magnificent. Regular blu-ray simply looks dull now.

I tried Exodus first. The improvement in color, and super contrast-y highlights (gold armor WOW) make the picture truly stand out in a way that video at home never has before. Any scene set within the sun, where it's light is hitting the various jewelry worn by the characters...fuuuu. People sitting in the shadow, yet the rest of the scene in daylight appears of a different brightness level is pretty amazing. There's no way to convey how this looks via some pictures online, you have to see it in person.

Kingsman, though a far more rudimentary looking movie in comparison still looks amazing. The contrast between daylight and shadows is spectacular, colors pop like never before. I did a comparison with the regular blu-ray copy included and it's night and day, the 1080p copy again is dull as shit.

Now this is all viewed on a 4K OLED set. I don't want to speculate as to what the result is on a Full Array LED, much less an Edge Lit one.

Once we start getting more movies that are actually SHOT and MASTERED in 4K, it will be even better, but HDR is the real deal.

Makes me very excited for the Mad Max UDH blu...HDR will look amazing with the way that movie looks.
 
UHD Blu-Ray impressions:

For this initial wave of releases, if you are expecting a huge increase in PQ due to increased resolution...you will be disappointed. There are improvements, but it's not game changing (yet) (at least from the titles I've viewed)

But that's ok.

HDR is what makes it all worth it.

The increase in localized contrast is magnificent. Regular blu-ray simply looks dull now.

I tried Exodus first. The improvement in color, and super contrast-y highlights (gold armor WOW) make the picture truly stand out in a way that video at home never has before. Any scene set within the sun, where it's light is hitting the various jewelry worn by the characters...fuuuu. People sitting in the shadow, yet the rest of the scene in daylight appears of a different brightness level is pretty amazing. There's no way to convey how this looks via some pictures online, you have to see it in person.

Kingsman, though a far more rudimentary looking movie in comparison still looks amazing. The contrast between daylight and shadows is spectacular, colors pop like never before. I did a comparison with the regular blu-ray copy included and it's night and day, the 1080p copy again is dull as shit.

Now this is all viewed on a 4K OLED set. I don't want to speculate as to what the result is on a Full Array LED, much less an Edge Lit one.

Once we start getting more movies that are actually SHOT and MASTERED in 4K, it will be even better, but HDR is the real deal.

Makes me very excited for the Mad Max UDH blu...HDR will look amazing with the way that movie looks.
You know, I've never actually seen anything HDR but since I've done a bunch of reading on the subject, to me this feels like the new 3D without the glasses. In a sense I've read it feels like what you're watching on the TV is actually there. Not literally of course but HDR gives the image a lot of depth.

Mad Max might end up looking like crap if they master it incorrectly :p. I hope AVS starts reviewing UHD BD soon so we can find something that's reference grade. I don't know if anything this year will be "10/10" reference UHD BD because those peeps are probably still learning how to master it.
 
You know, I've never actually seen anything HDR but since I've done a bunch of reading on the subject, to me this feels like the new 3D without the glasses. In a sense I've read it feels like what you're watching on the TV is actually there. Not literally of course but HDR gives the image a lot of depth.

Mad Max might end up looking like crap if they master it incorrectly :p. I hope AVS starts reviewing UHD BD soon so we can find something that's reference grade. I don't know if anything this year will be "10/10" reference UHD BD because those peeps are probably still learning how to master it.
It makes me curious to see what HDR remastered versions of certain movies will looks like.

Life of Pi is out in a few weeks and will certainly look beautiful I'm sure.

But movies like Cameron's Avatar, Star Wars Force Awakens, The Hobbit, Gladiator, and many others if properly mastered in HDR...I can't even imagine how good they'll look.
 
Well I was going to get a 4K LG OLED 55 inch for $3000, but i heard that the refresh and the screen timing is horrible for gaming. Now im back at square one and i think i am going to only spend $2k on a TV. I am willing to sacrifice screen size in order to get beeyer color. What do you guys think about this television:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TWFHSPY/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Any recommendations?

That's one of the best TVs for gaming right now and a great overall package. Although it doesn't have a few of the features from todays big name TVs. I was going to buy that TV last year for black friday but decided on the M series Vizio due to price.

JU7500 is a good TV

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju7500

It makes me curious to see what HDR remastered versions of certain movies will looks like.

Life of Pi is out in a few weeks and will certainly look beautiful I'm sure.

But movies like Cameron's Avatar, Star Wars Force Awakens, The Hobbit, Gladiator, and many others if properly mastered in HDR...I can't even imagine how good they'll look.

Movie might not be good but the BD was reference quality for Exodus

Mad Max, Inside Out, and others as well are really good BDs.

https://www.avforums.com/reviews/blu-rays.50

Lets hope that continues with UHD BD versions of those movies.
 
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