The_Hitcher89
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Keep getting shit HE vests
Tom Clancy's The Division |OT2| The Wolves of Wall Street
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SumptuousLemur
Banned
This attitude here needs to stop. Everyone's opinions and feelings are welcome and can be openly discussed here.
Its bad enough the OT OP does this we don't need everyone making people feeling alienated here. This is DivisionGAF, we are a community and we need to be welcoming and helpful to grow this community. Not divide it.
That's the exact thought process that destroyed Ultima Online.
Doctor West
Member
So standing in the middle of the street and one-shotting multiple people is a skill? Neat.
I get that your joy from this game comes out of greifing people in the DZ and that's fine. The issue is that gear discrepancies makes some encounters very unbalanced. People who are a fresh 30 have no chance going against people who have been playing DZ since launch. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of obtaining similar gear. Once that's on a similar level, then it becomes a matter of skill.
It's a different story (and way more fun) when you are battling it out with Rouges and people are dropping on both sides. That is a blast. The issue is that the best gear is in the DZ and you need to get to level 50 to obtain it. However that also means you are going to be at a disadvantage in the DZ up until that point and it's a grind getting there.
wesleyshark
Banned
There is no room for feelings in the dark zone.
There isn't any high end divtech either.
Oh good lord.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Can't believe so many people want to get rid of the best part of the game...dark zone. I'd rather deal with humans who are sneaky, unpredictable and fun to fight then dealing with bullet sponges.
Surviving a manhunt with some mates is awesome, going on a manhunt is great as well. If you don't have the gear to deal with it, go get it! It's not that hard and you can't still have fun without it. It's not like you get ganked every second. I've gone hours without getting trolled or killed.
I know! There are so many PvE online rpg type games out there, glad there's one with good pvp. Not having a good pvp component was what killed city of heroes for me way back when. This is the closest thing we have to a user friendly Dayz on console, so I'm happy.
Surviving a manhunt with some mates is awesome, going on a manhunt is great as well. If you don't have the gear to deal with it, go get it! It's not that hard and you can't still have fun without it. It's not like you get ganked every second. I've gone hours without getting trolled or killed.
I know! There are so many PvE online rpg type games out there, glad there's one with good pvp. Not having a good pvp component was what killed city of heroes for me way back when. This is the closest thing we have to a user friendly Dayz on console, so I'm happy.
Haint
Member
Actually it's a matter of who abused the best exploits the earliest and longest.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
I totally understand, even I have been converted into a newb steamroller, but this isn't the Dark Zone here and we can be collegial and discuss our opinions without being short and rude about it.
It's just a joke, I don't care how people play their games.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
Agreed, people just got bored of it. Such a great game, we must both be really old hahahaha
wesleyshark
Banned
You say this and yet want it to be an even playing field. That doesn't really make sense.
And for everyone else, it's possible to solo NOW in the DZ. If you can't it's either bad luck or....
SumptuousLemur
Banned
For those that want to avoid the PvP aspect of the DZ and just focus on farming gear/DT and grinding XP, this is a great guide
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/4cgt09/surviving_solo_in_the_dark_zone_a_short_guide/
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/4cgt09/surviving_solo_in_the_dark_zone_a_short_guide/
KINGofCRA5H
Member
holy shit.
no. just no.
I think people are failing to take into consideration the setting that this game takes place in. A post-apocalyptic world is not a nice place. In a world where people are killing each other for food and water, or anything that might help them survive for that matter, why would anything be like a walk in the park?
I am not having any fun in DZ anymore because it is literally a fight against people you have no chance against unless you play this game for a living and min maxed your gear. Pretty much everyone I run into takes an entire clip to the face from my vector or mp5 (I have 140k dps) and that shaves off like one quarter off their health bar if I am lucky then they turn around and melt me in a second.
I have like 90k stamina and %55 dmg reduction from armor too so I am not going in there with 20k health glass cannon style either. They need to figure something out because at this rate this game will bleed players pretty fast. I am already looking forward to shelving it as soon as DS3 is out.
I have like 90k stamina and %55 dmg reduction from armor too so I am not going in there with 20k health glass cannon style either. They need to figure something out because at this rate this game will bleed players pretty fast. I am already looking forward to shelving it as soon as DS3 is out.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
I am just understanding how people feel when they get steamrolled and can't really do anything about it. A more decent playing field would definitely help, its totally unbalanced as it is now since I have found plenty of Level 15-25 players that have no chance at all.
It is definitely an amazing experiment in online gaming, but it needs some refinement so things don't get too unfair.
I have seen my fair share of checkpoint camping, and that is the epitome of what the DZ needs to avoid in future updates somehow.
140k? Are they glowing blue briefly before you shoot? Do you play on PC? I ask because it sounds like you should be fine.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Do what I do, survivor link and run lol. Also, you can handle the the PvE portion easily with none DZ gear anyway, so it's not like you really need to go in there if you want. Basically guys are being greedy and want the best stuff but don't want to pay dark zone price
brianjones
Member
at the point where any drops other than high end are useless and it's made dark zone more of a slog
I log on to do the dailies but I don't even know what to spend the Phoenix credits on .. game is lacking carrots for me
I log on to do the dailies but I don't even know what to spend the Phoenix credits on .. game is lacking carrots for me
SumptuousLemur
Banned
Spreadsheet of all Level 31 Blueprints with Specifics
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pl7Tg0_Me4zbxapT00cwaAQwgMeZElx3ZaqvTrDA-YI/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pl7Tg0_Me4zbxapT00cwaAQwgMeZElx3ZaqvTrDA-YI/edit#gid=0
wesleyshark
Banned
Literally impossible to avoid this without breaking the tension and flow of the entire zone. Some manhunts and rogues end up shifting, either purposely or accidentally, towards a checkpoint or saferoom, and people die and spawn right there only to rejoin the fight.
Some of the best encounters I've been in were close to a checkpoint, as people just kept coming outside to keep fighting.
Basically. Like above, Animator should be able to wreck people with that build unless he is shooting at people with survivor link triggered and doesn't realize it.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
This.
The other night my group ran into a single guy who melted all of us. Other than that, I've yet to experience something like that.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
Yes but when those players then sit out at that checkpoint or safe house and leaving means death in a second it breaks the game.
That player literally has to log out and back in and hope for a new server just so they can go IN the DZ.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
Good shit been wanting something like this.
Thought I was sleeping carebear?
Sleeper carebears are the worst.
Granadier #1 Sleeper Carebear
SumptuousLemur
Banned
Yeah I think people need to specify the platform they are playing on when they discuss these issues.
The PC is rampant with hacks, glitches and exploits, from clipping in and out buildings to immortality. It really sucks and that is probably what Massive should focus on first, those poor PC players
And to be blunt, that was our fault. We were surprised and fought him dumb /single file.
Knowing what you are doing counts for so much.
noomi
Member
Only red pandas?
Guess what. There are more checkpoints than one. They also allow fast traveling. Oh and safe houses all have three exits on different sides.
You don't run blindly into a meat grinder and then complain that it's too good at grinding meat.
Only thing worse than Sleeper Carebears is my lack of punctuation.
Correct.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
I have only run as Rogue solo, a full team must be full on ravenous.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
Its nothing more than respawn camping IMO, it doesn't fly in any other game, it shouldn't fly here.
Can you even fast travel to another checkpoint if you have contaminated items?
Each checkpoint has like three exits and you can pick a different checkpoint. If that problem occurs, it is either on them or they are up against 8 people.
wesleyshark
Banned
Walk outside.
Fast travel to a different dz checkpoint.
Had a good encounter in the dark zone about an hour ago.
Me and a random clear out an extraction. He shoots me in the back before I put my stuff on. No biggie because I was gonna dismantle everything anyway.
I respawn and find him in the sewer. He goes on the run, I chase after him and I swear I have him on the brink a couple times.
His rogue status goes away and I still try, to no avail, to kill him.
Respawn again and I see he and another guy going after some npcs. He gets dropped and I finish him. I take off running. Apparently I didn't get far because he found me again and dropped me.
I'm sure he could hear me laughing. Such good stuff out there.
Btw massive...please keep the dark zone the way it is. If people want good gear they have challenges to go after. Any dumbing down of the zone and it'll be a sad thing.
I started there solo while all those explores were happening and have still managed to make my way to rank 40. That's a mix a challenges and killing everything in the lower dark zones.
Me and a random clear out an extraction. He shoots me in the back before I put my stuff on. No biggie because I was gonna dismantle everything anyway.
I respawn and find him in the sewer. He goes on the run, I chase after him and I swear I have him on the brink a couple times.
His rogue status goes away and I still try, to no avail, to kill him.
Respawn again and I see he and another guy going after some npcs. He gets dropped and I finish him. I take off running. Apparently I didn't get far because he found me again and dropped me.
I'm sure he could hear me laughing. Such good stuff out there.
Btw massive...please keep the dark zone the way it is. If people want good gear they have challenges to go after. Any dumbing down of the zone and it'll be a sad thing.
I started there solo while all those explores were happening and have still managed to make my way to rank 40. That's a mix a challenges and killing everything in the lower dark zones.
Do what I do, survivor link and run lol. Also, you can handle the the PvE portion easily with none DZ gear anyway, so it's not like you really need to go in there if you want. Basically guys are being greedy and want the best stuff but don't want to pay dark zone price
You do need to go into DZ though since %80 of the HE blueprints in the game require division tech to build. It is not like there is anything to do in the PvE portion of the game once you hit end game past running the same three challenge missions over and over.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
wesleyshark
Banned
A lot of it has to do with people whining that they can't just be handed the best gear. They don't want to have to actually work for it.
It's NOT respawn camping, for fuck's sake. Did you even read the message you quoted?
wesleyshark
Banned
Huh? If you die and spawn in at a checkpoint that has chaos happening outside the door... Turn around and go into the pve world and then fast travel to another checkpoint, instead of repeatedly entering the dz to be greeted by more death.
holygeesus
Banned
What is the quickest way to get money after reaching level 30? I've sold literally everything I own and pick up, barring my load out.
Edit - regular money not DZ.
Edit - regular money not DZ.
Very nice! What did you end up swapping out?
Yep, new info on the way tomorrow. If it means anything I still look for Stallion on my friends list when I go to invite you. Consolidate those names man.
I like how a group of randoms just ends up going with it. They're all laughing at first, but throughout the session they start communicating and giving info.
Flying Toaster
Member
Sell drops. Honestly just do a few cm runs and sell everything.
Agreed, the PvE part needs buffing...but the guy who got 400 high end DT did it solo in a scavenging build.
Those are two different issues that need fixed, but destroying the DZ is not how to fix it.
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