So the PS4K is definitely coming out in 2016?
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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So the PS4K is definitely coming out in 2016?
MikeE21286
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One of the only reasons you may do this is if you believe that the early adopters will continue to be early adopters.
New territory for consoles. Yet to be seen
Edit: and you know it's a new hardware thread when we start talking flops
New territory for consoles. Yet to be seen
Edit: and you know it's a new hardware thread when we start talking flops
I really think this is a sony as a corporation decision, not just playstation. Sony is in the perfect position to really move 4k tvs by releasing a ps4 that is more powerful and plays 4k blu ray players. Oh, and how convenient it is that Sony also owns movie studios and can make more money by releasing the 4k versions as well.
Regardless of what the gamers think, Sony as a whole has ALOT to gain by getting people on the 4k TV train.
Regardless of what the gamers think, Sony as a whole has ALOT to gain by getting people on the 4k TV train.
Obliterator
Member
Yes heavily. Even going so far as to refer to NX as a platform and not a piece of hardware.
KojiKnight
Member
Only you're paying for the mother board, ram, and CPU all over again for a smaller benefit than if you bought a $400 GPU to replace your old one.
I feel like Sony wants to continue to sell vanilla PS4. A slim version that cuts cost of components and price at retail while also looking more appealing seems like a safe bet.
Have found my old moneybox I made for PS4 launch.
Started saving money right after they announced PS4 back in February 2013.
I guess I have to add the new name to the box if Sony will announce the official name.
That's adorable haha
Now put a K a the end of that
This sounds like a huge assumption. It's a different market.
I don't think this would happen for two reasons:
a) The R&D costs of a new box every year wouldn't be supported by the amount of people who'd be willing to upgrade a console. This isn't the huge phone market, and people don't have that same need to upgrade.
b) Software makers aren't in the business of pushing new hardware for the hardware makers. They're not going to do anything that hurts their sales for Sony's benefit. They'll make sure that the 60m audience they already have on PS4/XB1 is still satisfied because it suits their needs to do so.
General Lee
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I would expect this to use some sort of puma+/tonga level of hardware, but assuming it's 14 nm that would probably make the whole thing a rather custom piece of hw not very comparable to AMD's current offerings. I'm unsure if they could fit a Polaris GPU there already if they plan on releasing this update before the end of the year. I suppose AMD has shown Polaris demos already so in theory Sony might have working devkits with such hw inside them, but it seems unlikely. This would be essentially a totally new chip, and designing it would probably take so much longer that it having AMD's yet unlaunched GPU doesn't seem reasonable.
In any case a 2x upgrade at this point seems crazy and I don't know what to believe anymore.
In any case a 2x upgrade at this point seems crazy and I don't know what to believe anymore.
vpance
Member
No reason not to sell your OG PS4. So its more like $200 every 3-4 years.
Ever heard of Gamestop? No really. They just had a promo that gave you $240. No one outside GS will give you $200 for the box you have thats been used or out in the market for 3~4 yrs. None.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How would the game look better? You mean they could render them in 1440p and then downscale the image to PSVR's headset resolution for easy AA?
Yeah the 970 still plays just about everything at high settings with a nice framerate... Don't see the thing slowing down anytime soon, either.
So a year from now, perhaps? That doesn't sound so bad.
ElRenoRaven
Member
I won't be supporting this shit. Any console maker who does this ceases to have their consoles owned by me.
As we've seen with the PS3, it doesn't matter what your install base is, it's the active base which most likely will move to the PS4K
Heavy_D206
Member
I have a 55" 4K Bravia so I actually really want a PS4K
thesuperfunk
Member
I can't help my gut feeling that this will not end well for Sony, there will be an insane media backlash!
As somebody that has yet to purchase a PS4 I'm interested though!
As somebody that has yet to purchase a PS4 I'm interested though!
So, is this going to be another 32x situation where a handful of games are designed to take advantage of the increased power, and the rest are just barely better looking than regular games?
Also, will we have to wait 2+ years like we do on every other new console, before the "better" games start to appear on the reg?
This is a mess.
Also, will we have to wait 2+ years like we do on every other new console, before the "better" games start to appear on the reg?
This is a mess.
Kralamoonard
Member
Welp I don't think you'll have any consoles any time soon.
Tainted
Member
...and how stable will it be at launch ? The OG PS4 has over 2yrs worth of stability updates behind it
I can't wait to see it running in 720p at sub 30 on my ps4 :'(
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Not true.
Surely that's overclocked? The review says the standard core clock is 1,050MHz.
Late Q1 next year? What the "#¤%? Are they just giving up on this holiday season? Who would buy a OG PS4 if a better one is just months away. Makes zero sense..
Well, then it looks like this is the future for all three hardware manufacturers.
Hip Hop
Member
I haven't upgraded in about 4 years.
I'm still able to run every single game at 1080p, with better resolution/fidelity than consoles.
Why do people still keep saying this? lol.
Yes, and some do upgrade yearly, and that's the beauty of it. There's that option if you so want to.
HORRORSHØW
Member
bloodborne 2 will still have framepacing issues on the ps4k 
Same gaming infrastructure for one thing. That's like asking why isn't a New 3DS the 3DS Advance or something. A new GPU and CPU doesn't have to warrant an entirely new platform and that's the direction Sony wants to take.
keltickennedy
Member
So.....I should hold off on buying Uncharted 4?
If Sony is doing this, it should go in expecting this will delay a lot of people's PS5 purchases. To get the same appreciable jump forward many might wait for the PS5.5, especially if there are only maybe three years between the PS4.5 and the PS5. Really, it'll be like people's phone upgrade cycles but a bit slower. Not everyone upgrades upon every new iPhone model. A lot of people only upgrade every two or three models. I could totally see a huge chunk of console users only upgrading every other model.
If that happens, it'll even further incentivize developers to keep targeting the most popular hardware as the lowest common denominator. Really, people who are afraid of games running like shit on the base model need to look at how things are going on PC and mobile. PC developers don't make games that run well on the titan and run like shit on the 970. They make games that run well on the 970 and look better on titans. Mobile games don't need an iPhone 6s to run well, they just look better on a 6s. I don't think you're going to see the situation we got with cross-gen console games because 1) the amount of time between the hardware refresh is much shorter, and 2) the architecture differences are much smaller.
Probably not. At most Naughty Dog will release a patch that makes it run better on the PS4K.
If that happens, it'll even further incentivize developers to keep targeting the most popular hardware as the lowest common denominator. Really, people who are afraid of games running like shit on the base model need to look at how things are going on PC and mobile. PC developers don't make games that run well on the titan and run like shit on the 970. They make games that run well on the 970 and look better on titans. Mobile games don't need an iPhone 6s to run well, they just look better on a 6s. I don't think you're going to see the situation we got with cross-gen console games because 1) the amount of time between the hardware refresh is much shorter, and 2) the architecture differences are much smaller.
Probably not. At most Naughty Dog will release a patch that makes it run better on the PS4K.
Sleight of Jam
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Fuck Sony, screw PSVR. This gen has barely started we haven't even got that big of a exclusive diversity yet and already this. Fuck you Sony.
1. No it's not GTX 970 tier, look at AMD for comparable stuff as PS4 APU is AMD
2. 4K doesn't work fine at all with 970, I might get 30fps in a few games. But most AAA games? tough luck.
Trogdor1123
Member
Who knows, it may not even be real. I'm saying that this gen was never planned to go 10 years. It seemed to be geared for 5 or 6. As per usual.
I actually bought a gaming PC a few months ago. I went to the gaming PC OT, had a kind gaffer pick out the parts for my budget, ordered the parts off a website and paid them only $50 to send it to me all built and ready to go. It cost me about $900 CAD in total but that was the budget that I chose at the start since I wanted something that would last.
Now that I have this PC that can already shit out noticeably better graphics than my PS4 (max graphics in the Battlefront beta), I can probably upgrade it to PS5 for about the cost of a PS4K. This is because it is far cheaper to upgrade what you have than to buy a completely new box.
PC gaming with those PC building sites and Steam has never been so accessible. Steam sales and PC games are also far cheaper than their console counterparts. However, I still have a few issues before I make PC my main plat. The main issue is, like you said, that console experience that many of us love. To achieve that, I must purchase a Steam controller ($60) and probably Steam Link ($60) to stream it to my TV (or just move my PC to my TV).
These might be insurmountable barriers for some but they aren't for me. When I say that I am going PC next gen, I mean it. I have already laid out the groundwork for my transition.
adamantypants
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Chart still applies as it pertains to being a member.
houroftower
Member
I'll see how PSVR performs on the original PS4 before I consider an upgrade. If I like it as is, great. If the reviews say VR is way better on the new system or if there are desirable exclusives for PS4K, then I'll certainly consider trading in toward an upgrade, dependent on price.
As for the rest of it -- in general 4k movies and non VR games with a higher resolution or framerate don't interest me enough to upgrade. Speaking as someone who primarily plays on a 22" monitor and is quite satisfied with 1080p and the PS4's current performance level.
It's not like games will stop coming out for PS4 and suddenly be unplayable. Still skeptical whether OP details are true but I can see why Sony would do this at this time.
As for the rest of it -- in general 4k movies and non VR games with a higher resolution or framerate don't interest me enough to upgrade. Speaking as someone who primarily plays on a 22" monitor and is quite satisfied with 1080p and the PS4's current performance level.
It's not like games will stop coming out for PS4 and suddenly be unplayable. Still skeptical whether OP details are true but I can see why Sony would do this at this time.
The craziest part of this thread is people expecting Sony to run a hardware trade-in service when they are plenty of other companies in a much better position to do that.
Not quite.. but certainly on par or more powerful than the GTX 680 which was used to show off a lot of next-gen game/engines at E3 2012 and 2013.
Unreal Engine 3.X Samaritan demo (revised from the 2011 ver. that used three SLI'd GTX 580 cards)
Unreal Engine 4 Elemental demo
Square-Enix Agni's Philosophy
Star Wars 1313 (canceled but could be coming back?)
Deep Down.
1080P to 4K scaling is 1:1, so you get no degradation in IQ. So it makes sense to scale for 4K if a display supports it.
This is absolutely about VR. They're putting the PS4s success on the lines and spending all the good will capital they built up to fix the issue of VR going big right smack dab between their planned timeline.
This is more due to misjudgment than anything. Sony is basically saying VR is vital and thyley can't afford not to do this to compete.