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[Ken K in the Fresh!!!]

Movie was decent. Not as bad as ppl have said. The dream sequences were a bit much however

The theater was a third full for matinee

 

[inky]

it certainly will be. BvS was heavily frontloaded off of goodwill from the nolan films. Having it's predecessor be a bomb guarantees that it won't have nearly the opening weekend BvS had.

I mean, you are right and I agree, but butts will still be put in seats... to some degree at least. To me, if they don't get rid of him right away it says: either WB is willing to bite that expensive bullet, or they are still hopeful they can steer the ship in these 18 months. Either way it is not a good look for them, but neither is telling the world: hey, guess what, JL is off for now.

Arent they planning like multiple justice league movies though? I think you can get away with a tonal shift from BvS to Justice League, but it would be very odd to switch tones in the middle of a Justice league series.

2 movies at least, yes. It would be odd, but I guess it would be less odd to launch JL with a different feel than BvS and maybe, maybe they can accomplish that still.

Yeah but like you said it establishes 3 other franchises. It's massively important. I can't see a board of shareholders willing to risk putting Snyder in control again. The DC universe is supposed to be a huge tent pole for them.

This is impossible but their best case scenario is bringing Nolan back as director and letting Snyder help with the action. They can keep the darker tone and get a competent story going and retain the Snyder for the only thing he is good at.

I agree with you, I think Snyder should go, but people seem hesitant to think it will happen. I think Nolan is never coming back though, not for a billion dollars.

 

[GhaleonEB]

He originally said 18-19M Friday yesterday evening. We'll see if things change.

$21M would probably mean ~$50-51M for the weekend.

I'm thinking this still ends below $50m. If we use $20.5 for today, it takes a 30% Sunday drop to get over $50m for the weekend. Deadpool dropped 35% on the second Sat ->Sun, F7 dropped 40%.

 

[Manmademan]

I mean, you are right and I agree, but butts will still be put in seats... to some degree at least. To me, if they don't get rid of him right away it says: either WB is willing to bite that expensive bullet, or are still hopeful they can steer the ship in these 18 months. Either way it is not a good look, but neither is telling the world: hey, guess what, JL is off now.

BvS being received the way it has means they will either have to

1.) Fire Snyder and massively retool

or

2.) Drastically reduce the anticipated budget for JL. as someone else said, shooting begins on the 11th.

 

[Disgraced]

You know what, fuck it.

PUT EVERYTHING ON SNYDER, WB. DO IT. I'M SO IN. TAKE US TO THE PROMISED LAND.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I'm thinking this still ends below $50m. If we use $20.5 for today, it takes a 30% Sunday drop to get over $50m for the weekend. Deadpool dropped 35% on the second Sat ->Sun, F7 dropped 40%.

Meaning a chance for a record breaking second weekend!

 

[Ovid]

Wow Thor Dark World gets a lot of undeserved hate. It's a good movie. Not Winter Soldier or GOTG tier obviously but damn. It's at least better than all 3 Iron Man films, Incredible Hulk and the amazingly dull Ant-Man.

What? You have to be joking, right?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Synder's chosen the production team and the cast. The script was written mostly with his input. All the pre-production work has been done by Synder and co. Shooting begins on the 11th.

A delay of the film and finding a new director to replace him, a director that will probably want rewrites and the ability to change the production team? Costly.

Warner Bros is essentially backed into a corner here. Do they leave Snyder on, knowing that poor word of mouth here will carry on into Justice League? Or do they incur significant cost trying to get rid of him?

But like I said he has already let them down twice and this time with word of mouth so bad it is poisoning the brand. MoS wasn't like that. This was supposed to jumpstart 6+ years of movies and a tremendous amount of money. Delaying and doing it right seems like the only possible move they have at this point.

 

[MHWilliams]

This is impossible but their best case scenario is bringing Nolan back as director and letting Snyder help with the action. They can keep the darker tone and get a competent story going and retain the Snyder for the only thing he is good at.

Nolan won't do it. He's big enough to write his own ticket on original films at this point.

Your immediate, logical choices are:

Ben Affleck (Already Batman, solid writer and director)
James Wan (Aquaman's director, did Furious 7)
George Miller (currently a producer on the film, hot off Fury Road, and was previously knee-deep in his own Justice League film)

But like I said he has already let them down twice and this time with word of mouth so bad it is poisoning the brand. MoS wasn't like that. This was supposed to jumpstart 6+ years of movies and a tremendous amount of money. Delaying and doing it right seems like the only possible move they have at this point.

If shooting was months away, he'd probably be gone. Less than two weeks? Tough situation.

 

[kswiston]

I'm thinking this still ends below $50m. If we use $20.5 for today, it takes a 30% Sunday drop to get over $50m for the weekend. Deadpool dropped 35% on the second Sat ->Sun, F7 dropped 40%.

I was thinking about what they'd put out as an estimate.

A 35% Sunday drop on $21M would give them $50M even.

If the film ends up doing $19M today, then they wouldn't be able to bullshit over $50M.

 

[Manmademan]

Nolan won't do it. He's big enough to write his own ticket on original films at this point.

Your immediate, logical choices are:

Ben Affleck (Already Batman, solid writer and director)
James Wan (Aquaman's director, did Furious 7)
George Miller (currently a producer on the film, hot off Fury Road, and was previously knee-deep in his own Justice League film)

personally I think Nolan is overrated.

Begins was good but not great.

Dark Knight got the benefit from a breakout performance from ledger, as well as the unfortunate timing of his death.

Rises was by FAR the weakest of the three, but got to coast on the goodwill of TDK and the strength of the batman brand.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I was thinking about what they'd put out as an estimate.

A 35% Sunday drop on $21M would give them $50M even.

If the film ends up doing $19M today, then they wouldn't be able to bullshit over $50M.

Oh, that I agree with, I was thinking actuals. They padded last weekend to have $170m headlines, agree they'd do the same to get $50m. Then actuals come in a bit lower. I'm thinking ~$48m unless today comes in lower.

 

[broncobuster]

yep. Momoa is aquaman. That dude absolutely CANNOT carry a movie by himself.

In fairness, not many superhero actors can. They need to do what Thor 1 did and pad out the cast with stronger talents and hope the villain, thinking Orm or Black Manta, is as much a draw.

 

[GhaleonEB]

In fairness, not many superhero actors can. They need to do what Thor 1 did and pad out the cast with stronger talents and hope the villain, thinking Orm or Black Manta, is as much a draw.

And even Hemsworth can't carry a film, despite Thor's popularity. Rush, Blackhat, In the Heart of the Sea all tanked.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Nolan won't do it. He's big enough to write his own ticket on original films at this point.

Your immediate, logical choices are:

Ben Affleck (Already Batman, solid writer and director)
James Wan (Aquaman's director, did Furious 7)
George Miller (currently a producer on the film, hot off Fury Road, and was previously knee-deep in his own Justice League film)



If shooting was months away, he'd probably be gone. Less than two weeks? Tough situation.

Ben Affleck would be the best choice.
George Miller would be amazing as well but I feel like he would need way more time that they would give him.

 

[RDreamer]

In fairness, not many superhero actors can. They need to do what Thor 1 did and pad out the cast with stronger talents and hope the villain, thinking Orm or Black Manta, is as much a draw.

Well, hopefully whatever they do ends up better than Thor 1 =/

 

[Disgraced]

The Aquaman movie should just be Khal Drogo: The Movie with some assholes trying to usurp his power by way of blood magic and summoning the Old Ones.

 

[inky]

BvS being received the way it has means they will either have to

1.) Fire Snyder and massively retool

or

2.) Drastically reduce the anticipated budget for JL. as someone else said, shooting begins on the 11th.

Both of them would jeopardize their future movies either way. Reducing the budget could hurt even more, 'cause now you have an ambitious ensemble movie that can't go all they way to show these future guys to audiences who are supposed to care about them later.

I think WB will bite the bullet and keep Snyder. To put it in familiar terms, WB will go full Gordon: "I don't get movie points for being an idealist, I have to do the best I can with what I have". It worked out well enough for him, right? I mean, his children didn't die and Batman ended up saving his ass. Sure, they both lost something along the way, but they got there in the end ;P

Hey, remember TDK? That was a good movie wasn't it.

 

[ArtHands]

Someone on #supportdcfilms wrote that he's watching it for the 7th times😂

 

[Manmademan]

In fairness, not many superhero actors can. They need to do what Thor 1 did and pad out the cast with stronger talents and hope the villain, thinking Orm or Black Manta, is as much a draw.

Disagree.

Evans
Downey
Pratt
Rudd
Ruffalo
Jackson
Keaton
Jackman
Reynolds (Deadpool)
Maguire
Reeve
Snipes
Stewart and McKellen
Perlman (hellboy)

Momoa is absolutely at the bottom of the pile.

 

[andythinkpad]

personally I think Nolan is overrated.

Begins was good but not great.

Dark Knight got the benefit from a breakout performance from ledger, as well as the unfortunate timing of his death.

Rises was by FAR the weakest of the three, but got to coast on the goodwill of TDK and the strength of the batman brand.

He is still a very good director, see Inception. But I think he lost interest in comic book movies.

Nolan wants to take the Spielberg, Zemeckis kind of career path, not to be pigeon holed as an action director.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I would love for Ruffalo to get a crack at a solo hulk movie.

 

[broncobuster]

Nolan won't do it. He's big enough to write his own ticket on original films at this point.

Your immediate, logical choices are:

Ben Affleck (Already Batman, solid writer and director)
James Wan (Aquaman's director, did Furious 7)
George Miller (currently a producer on the film, hot off Fury Road, and was previously knee-deep in his own Justice League film)

Supposedly Miller is on a producer. Doubt he'll jump in the directors chair as a pinch hitter. Not to be morbid, he's old and only has so many movies left in him. Asking him to devote two to three years on saving a foundering project? I wouldn't want that. James Wan ostensibly did what he'd need to do with the Fast&Furious franchise and believe he's the most realistic option. Affleck, I don't know if he wants to take that risk when he's establishing himself as a strong director.

I'd love for WB to approach Jeff Nichols again and give him a greater freedom on the project that he wanted for Aquaman. If Matt Reeves didn't get involved with the Planet of the Apes franchise, he'd be another director to approach again about the opportunity. Duncan Jones is yet another director WB had on their minds when planning Man of Steel; we'll see how Warcraft turns out and he might get locked into a sequel there.

 

[Manmademan]

He is still a very good director, see Inception. But I think he lost interest in comic book movies.

Nolan wants to take the Spielberg, Zemeckis kind of career path, not to be pigeon holed as an action director.

oh sure. Inception is what I think of when i consider if he's a good director. clearly he is- but he's not on some completely different tier than everyone else when it comes to these films. if not for TDK which I credit more to leger (intentionally and unintentionally) than anything else, I doubt his name would come up all that often.

Rises was pretty average all things considered and that's being generous.

I would love for Ruffalo to get a crack at a solo hulk movie.

I heard paramount still holds distribution rights to Hulk which is why it won't happen.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

personally I think Nolan is overrated.

Begins was good but not great.

Dark Knight got the benefit from a breakout performance from ledger, as well as the unfortunate timing of his death.

Rises was by FAR the weakest of the three, but got to coast on the goodwill of TDK and the strength of the batman brand.

I just rewatched them all about a month ago and man I still think they are amazing. I think Ledger was legendary in TDK but everything else was so well done too. Bale is perfect. Harvey Dent is tragic. Even the action is great which is something Nolan really doesn't understand. TDKR is definitely the weakest but I still love the charachters and overall story arc. That moment of Bruce climbing out of the tomb with the Rise chant....goosebumps. The betrayal at the end was so perfectly executed as well as the backstory and her loyalty to Bane.Yeah for me Nolan is definitely not overrated. He elevated superheroes to a place they might never go again.

 

[Escape Goat]

I would love for Ruffalo to get a crack at a solo hulk movie.

That would be nice. But Im excited new characters like Black Panther, Dr Strange and Captain Marvel are getting a shot.

 

[Zzoram]

I think him speaking Dothraki helped quite a bit. It sounded badass and gave his performance more gravitas.

Maybe have the whole movie in Atlantian? lol

Dont kid yourself, the movie won't even be mostly under water.

 

[Manmademan]

I just rewatched them all about a month ago and man I still think they are amazing. I think Ledger was legendary in TDK but everything else was so well done too. Bale is perfect. Harvey Dent is tragic. Even the action is great which is something Nolan really doesn't understand. TDKR is definitely the weakest but I still love the charachters and overall story arc. That moment of Bruce climbing out of the tomb with the Rise chant....goosebumps. The betrayal at the end was so perfectly executed as well as the backstory and her loyalty to Bane.Yeah for me Nolan is definitely not overrated. He elevated superheroes to a place they might never go again.

I feel bale is miscast really. His batman is the worst thing about any of those movies. and Rises is full of questionable plot holes. Hathaway as much as I like her was bad casting. Fight choreography is freaking abysmal- though this isn't entirely fair since WS and DD elevated the game a bit.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

That would be nice. But Im excited new characters like Black Panther, Dr Strange and Captain Marvel are getting a shot.

Yup..Hulk has had a couple of shots already. Time for some new blood..

 

[kswiston]

Superhero films with second weekends over $50M (figures rounded to the nearest $1M):

Avengers - $103M
Avengers Age of Ultron - $78M
The Dark Knight - $75M
Iron Man 3 - $73M
Spider-Man - $71M
The Dark Knight Rises - $62M
Spider-Man 3 - $58M
Deadpool - $56M
Iron Man 2 - $52M
Iron Man - $51M

That's also happens to be the list of Superhero films that opened to over $100M, minus X-Men the Last Stand, Man of Steel, and probably BvS.

Batman v Superman had the 4th largest comic opening of all time. It most likely won't make the top 10 second weekends for comic films

 

[Discotheque]

Bale has a shit voice but is excellent as Bruce.

The only reason he is overshadowed in TDK is because just how good eckhart and Ledger were

Hell even Oldmans Gordon got some good stuff in that one

Oldmans Gordon and having shitty female characters is where the Michael Mann comparisons start and end.

 

[Earthanoid]

Thor gets a lot of hate around here, but I think they're targeting women more than the other Marvel films. My wife and her friends like the Thor movies more than the other Marvel movies. From what I can tell it's because Hemsworth is hot, they like the relationship between Thor and Jane, and because Hemsworth is hot. That's probably why Thor takes off his shirt in every movie.

Personally, I like the Thor movies. They're the worst of the MCU movies but they're not bad.

 

[kswiston]

That's probably why Thor takes off his shirt in every movie.

All of the MCU guys take their shirts off. I think it's part of the contract.

 

[icespide]

people laughed hen I said Civil War will make more money than BvS

 

[Manmademan]

Bale has a shit voice but is excellent as Bruce.

The only reason he is overshadowed in TDK is because just how good eckhart and Ledger were

Hell even Oldmans Gordon got some good stuff in that one

Oldmans Gordon and having shitty female characters is where the Michael Mann comparisons start and end.

yep. his bruce is fine. His batman is...ehhhh

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Superhero films with second weekends over $50M (figures rounded to the nearest $1M):

Avengers - $103M
Avengers Age of Ultron - $78M
The Dark Knight - $75M
Iron Man 3 - $73M
Spider-Man - $71M
The Dark Knight Rises - $62M
Spider-Man 3 - $58M
Deadpool - $56M
Iron Man 2 - $52M
Iron Man - $51M

That's also happens to be the list of Superhero films that opened to over $100M, minus X-Men the Last Stand, Man of Steel, and probably BvS.

Batman v Superman had the 4th largest comic opening of all time. It most likely won't make the top 10 second weekends for comic films

Man, Dark Knight had a good hold that second week.

And I know it was very different in 2002, but Spider-Man had a beastly hold as well.

Thor gets a lot of hate around here, but I think they're targeting women more than the other Marvel films. My wife and her friends like the Thor movies more than the other Marvel movies. From what I can tell it's because Hemsworth is hot, they like the relationship between Thor and Jane, and because Hemsworth is hot. That's probably why Thor takes off his shirt in every movie.

Personally, I like the Thor movies. They're the worst of the MCU movies but they're not bad.

And Hiddleston.

Just wait until Marvel makes a Doctor Strange and Loki team up.

 

[Escape Goat]

Bale has a shit voice but is excellent as Bruce.

The only reason he is overshadowed in TDK is because just how good eckhart and Ledger were

Hell even Oldmans Gordon got some good stuff in that one

Oldmans Gordon and having shitty female characters is where the Michael Mann comparisons start and end.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Bale has a shit voice but is excellent as Bruce. The only reason he is overshadowed in TDK is because just how good eckhart and Ledger were

Hell even Oldmans Gordon got some good stuff in that one

Oldmans Gordon and having shitty female characters is where the Michael Mann comparisons start and end.

Ha yeah his voice ain't great.

 

[echoshifting]

What is up with the dude on the right?!? Man I am never gonna be able to unsee that now.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

What is up with the dude on the right?!? Man I am never gonna be able to unsee that now.

Schmacting!

 

[guek]

I heard paramount still holds distribution rights to Hulk which is why it won't happen.

Universal but yeah, that's the gist of it.

Thor gets a lot of hate around here, but I think they're targeting women more than the other Marvel films. My wife and her friends like the Thor movies more than the other Marvel movies. From what I can tell it's because Hemsworth is hot, they like the relationship between Thor and Jane, and because Hemsworth is hot. That's probably why Thor takes off his shirt in every movie.

Personally, I like the Thor movies. They're the worst of the MCU movies but they're not bad.

The Thor movies are mostly inoffensive and competently made but just not as exciting or engaging as they should be. They take very little advantage of what makes Thor fun to read in the comics.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

people laughed hen I said Civil War will make more money than BvS

 

[J_Viper]

I'm starting to parrot myself here, but shouldn't we wait till Snyder's Ultimate Cut of the film before we casually throw him under the bus?

I really think losing him would be a mistake, especially with the potential visuals Snyder could give us with these characters. The Batman warehouse scene and titular fight were the best battle sequences in a comic film since Raimi's Spidey/Goblin fight.

 

[Blablurn]

thats probably the saddest day in box office history

 

[Discotheque]

Ah the no more dead cops guy and his weird companion

Nolan trilogy got quotes for days

 

[Manmademan]

people laughed hen I said Civil War will make more money than BvS

Civil war should sleepwalk to a billion, really. we know the casting, and the directors have proven themselves. The only question is the script- and I can't really think of a BAD script from the MCU. Even the Thors were only "forgettable" and they had all that romance bullshit shoehorned in.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Gustin would look weird with the movie JLA, like someone brought their kid to work.

We agree about most things besides Cass Cain but I disagree,
Ezra Miller looks more out of place with this cast than Gustin does.

His costume definitely wouldn't work though unless they gave him RF's.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Hahaha that is great.

 

[PBY]

I'm starting to parrot myself here, but shouldn't we wait till Snyder's Ultimate Cut of the film before we casually throw him under the bus?

I really think losing him would be a mistake, especially with the potential visuals Snyder could give us with these characters. The Batman warehouse scene and titular fight were the best battle sequences in a comic film since Raimi's Spidey/Goblin fight.

No lol? Snyder has been making this movie his entire life.

 

[Fj0823]

You looked at the score, you spoiled yourself, and you expected nothing? No, you went in with a lot of negative preconceived notions, expected a shit movie, and that's what you got.

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I enjoyed the prequels, most transformers movies, The amazing spiderman movies even with the negative reception they got and some spoilers.

This movie is actual shit.