I think HD7870/7850 vs. R9 290(X) would be a very apt comparison in this case, assuming the numbers are correct.
Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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I think HD7870/7850 vs. R9 290(X) would be a very apt comparison in this case, assuming the numbers are correct.
Suzushiiro
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Pretty much this. The whole reason why Sony is outright mandating that all PS4 games released past October have builds that use the Neo's power is because otherwise a lot of devs wouldn't bother, since the Neo will run games for the base PS4 regardless. Unless the Neo sells significantly better than anyone probably expects it to PS4 will continue to be the platform devs build around and the Neo build will only get improvements that have a very high benefit:cost ratio, just like PCs do.
Its going to be the opposite mate. Games will not be optimised for the PS4K because devs will target the base PS4.
40 million installbase remember.
boredandlazy
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Fair enough. what would be a better point of comparison?
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Deleted member 465307
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I got a response in here that suggested that the PS4k can't be assumed to be automatically backwards compatible (meaning they're simply functional) with games released prior to September 2016 without a patch. That never even crossed my mind. Is that something I should assume is the case with this model? I figured all pre-PS4k PS4 games would just run on PS4k like they would on PS4.
grtkbrandon
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There is literally no way to really tell how powerful it is in real world performance. If anything, it'll probably be around a 280x.
Also, the 8GB of RAM is referring to RAM, which has nothing to do with VRAM. Your last comparison doesn't make sense.
gundamkyoukai
Member
What does GPUs have to do with consoles when talking about a new gen.
We are talking about what a new consoles jump is normally be not a gpu one.
Yes if your talking about gpu it's a new gen but a new gen gpu jump can be even less 2 times the power .
This is essentially going from a 270 to a 280X. So not a significant leap.
Vanillalite
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I get this line of reasoning. It's how it's always been
That being said look at it this way.
If the PS3 is 1
Then the PS4 is 5
Then the PS4.5 is 10
Sure the PS4 using my numbers above would be 5 times as powerful as the PS3. Yet the gap between the PS3 and PS4 would still be smaller.
It's why I hate using numbers and percentages for general omg power observations.
Nice. Well in excess of what Epic Games wanted (2.5 TFlops) for Unreal Engine 4 performance on consoles this gen.
http://kotaku.com/5884423/unreals-n...ast-ten-times-more-powerful-than-the-xbox-360
There we go thank you.
Lol are people not allowed to be mad at Sony in your world?
What about those that bought a PS4 last week?
Hell, I bought mine in September and still feel miffed.
family_guy
Member
You're getting the same experience you would have gotten if this didn't exist.
Hexa
Member
The best other than benchmarks is probably flops, but even then there's a good amount of difference between architectures.
The PS4 is in the general range of the GTX 970 and Radeon 280X based on that.
It's still incorrect lmao. It's going from a 270 to a 280X.
I think they mean in order to take advantage of the extra hardware power.
Lister
Banned
Um no. This closer to a r9 280x. Between a 960 and 970 certainly not more powerful. You also appear to know jack shit about how the buffer is utilized on the console.
Finally real world performance won't match paper specs most of the time. How many games perform better on a 750ti vs the ps4 again? Several atleast which is a bit crazy, but nonetheless true.
ninjablade
Banned
How many gflops does ps4k have? is it enough to run ps4 games at 60fps?
However he understood the concept.
Gonna be a really nice package.
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Deleted member 465307
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I read the entire article and came to the exact same conclusion as you. However, I then was informed I was wrong in this thread, so I was wondering if there was something I didn't understand with the tech.
That's what I figured. Now, reading this:
That should mean FFXV is getting NEO enhancements, correct? Given that it's releasing on September 30?
Fairly certain it's not that complicated.
https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/722256325854552065
That's exactly what I figured. Thanks for the responses.
Obliterator
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There is both over and under selling of the hardware change happening in this thread.
No this is not a generational leap. Not close really those are usually a 5x or higher performance increase.
This is also not comparable to revisions we've seen in prior generations. People that GPU boost is not minor. You will see real world fairly substantial differences in games. That is a FAR bigger gap than we see in the current gap between Xbone and PS4. In fact by several times.
No this is not a generational leap. Not close really those are usually a 5x or higher performance increase.
This is also not comparable to revisions we've seen in prior generations. People that GPU boost is not minor. You will see real world fairly substantial differences in games. That is a FAR bigger gap than we see in the current gap between Xbone and PS4. In fact by several times.
SwordStruck
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Fairly certain it's not that complicated.
https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/722256325854552065
ethomaz
Banned
Don't go comparing with NVidia.
It is a bit stronger than R9 380X and weaker than R9 390.
MakeMeFeelAlive
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I am not a technical person at all so this is probably a dumb question. However, how will this impact multi-player games? Can neo games be locked at 60fps and regular ps4 potentially locked lower?
We won't really know that for now.
If this didn't exist, devs wouldn't have to code to the metal for 2 SKU's.
It might be as easy as flipping a button like some seem to think, or it might not be.
Devs might make it a super small priority due to install base, or it might be the most worked on.
Only time will tell.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
You said generation, and you were talking about a console. If you don't specify you mean a CPU or GPU generation, it's logical and fair to assume you mean something like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_generation_of_video_game_consoles
So yes, I'm pushing back against calling this a "generational leap", nobody is saying that but you. It plays the same games and 200% is minsicule compared to what we usually see (with the big exception of I guess the GameCube to Wii), and Sony has never done that.
Jarod McChicken
Member
Well, I didn't need an excuse to put a 8th run in Bloodborne, but I'll take that anyway 
Everything should run. Games will have to be patched to take advantage of the differences.
RecRoulette
Member
Fair point, I didn't read the OP.
Still, if games come out that run like shit in "base mode" compared to "neo mode" that's going to be bad news, which could happen later on this gen.
It's like Destiny. Technically you can play that game on PS3 and PS4 and it's pretty much the same game in every way. Except for performance.
Yeah right, Hyrule Warriors, Xenoblade Chronicles, and SNES emulator exclusive say no. Why would Nintendo alienate million of its old user base?
gundamkyoukai
Member
No the PS4k will not be compare to PS3 because PS4 is the current system .
If this was PS5 would you have comapre this to PS3 ?
PS4: ~1.8 TFLOPS
PS4K / NEO: ~4.1 TFLOPS.
If the new GPU spec is accurate.
framerate is not just about gflops / tflops, it's also (more) about pixel fill rate and memory bandwidth, and, the CPU.
Obliterator
Member
One other CRAZY statistic.
The Xbone GPU is about 1.35TF. This will be around 4.2 TF.
That is an absolutely insane GPU gap.
The Xbone GPU is about 1.35TF. This will be around 4.2 TF.
That is an absolutely insane GPU gap.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I get this. That being said peooley can twist the numbers how you wish to make this seem as under or overwhelming as they want.
What we'd need to know is more #s to get a real handle on things as well as some devs chiming in.
QuantumSquid
Member
I don't know, "NEO is a beast" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Chilli_Axe
Member
Maybe we'll be able to run bloodborne at a stable framerate now
Heh. This is probably the best thing they could have done to not split the userbase besides y know...not do it.
So its specifically a higher performance option existing beside the lower performance option PS4, while still offering the same experience. So no Nintendo 3DS splintering through New 3DS only games.
So devs could still just throw in the exact same code as PS4 as PS4K, only with improved FPS or res, or IQ or what have you.
The fact that they are required to start with PS4 as the minimum base basically means nothing changes for devs besides Sony having a SKU that's higher performance for those consumers who are obsessed with better FPS and better IQ and such.
Uplocking the Jaguar cores, unlocking more RAM, and higher bandwidth for devs to use including twice the GPU power of the original PS4 seems pretty significant...with this, i'm assuming they are officially extending the gen to 2020 if its unveiled and released this year
So its specifically a higher performance option existing beside the lower performance option PS4, while still offering the same experience. So no Nintendo 3DS splintering through New 3DS only games.
So devs could still just throw in the exact same code as PS4 as PS4K, only with improved FPS or res, or IQ or what have you.
The fact that they are required to start with PS4 as the minimum base basically means nothing changes for devs besides Sony having a SKU that's higher performance for those consumers who are obsessed with better FPS and better IQ and such.
Uplocking the Jaguar cores, unlocking more RAM, and higher bandwidth for devs to use including twice the GPU power of the original PS4 seems pretty significant...with this, i'm assuming they are officially extending the gen to 2020 if its unveiled and released this year
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
well, this will certainly be an interesting experiment.
DannyDanger
Member
Ppl keep using this optimization concern lol
They aren't gonna use the console with little to no install base as the lead platform
You should be more worried about them not optimizing the ps4k version... Which is probably why Sony wants to mandate two versions
They aren't gonna use the console with little to no install base as the lead platform
You should be more worried about them not optimizing the ps4k version... Which is probably why Sony wants to mandate two versions
CitizenCope
Member
Very excited for this even if it's not a huge upgrade.
I really doubt they'll offer an official upgrade program.