Well... the ARM cores in most high and mid-range smartphones are arguably more powerful than the Jaguar cores in PS4 and XBO. The issue is that trying to run eight of them at 1.5GHz+ 100% of the time, and with a GPU to match, would result in a hot-as-hell handheld with a 5 minute battery life. So not exactly likely (although a part of me would kind of like to see it happen, just for the hilarity of Sony unveiling their new PS4K and then Nintendo announcing a handheld the very next day that's actually more powerful than it in one fairly important respect).
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Well... the ARM cores in most high and mid-range smartphones are arguably more powerful than the Jaguar cores in PS4 and XBO. The issue is that trying to run eight of them at 1.5GHz+ 100% of the time, and with a GPU to match, would result in a hot-as-hell handheld with a 5 minute battery life. So not exactly likely (although a part of me would kind of like to see it happen, just for the hilarity of Sony unveiling their new PS4K and then Nintendo announcing a handheld the very next day that's actually more powerful than it in one fairly important respect).
Give me Zelda + Warioware and I'm a happy man.
I don't expect much more from any console launch tbh.
I hear ya. To me the strongest indication of a console coming this year is Trev's incredibly well-documented leak, which while it doesn't say if the NX we get this year is a console or handheld or both, to me the most logical conclusion from it saying that Zelda is coming to NX this year (or that they're shooting for that) is that we will see an NX console this year. I realize that's not a rock solid conclusion, but I do think it's a reasonable one.
As a dev, what would your dream handheld be like in terms of power? What would be resonable/realistic(given a probable $199 pricepoint)?
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No problem. But yeah, I believe in his one report, there were talks from manufacturing partners who were banking on LCDs from a Nintendo handheld to pull in some revenue.
There's definitely a handheld coming soon, but despite the status of certain rumors, it still seems that the NX console will be first to release, at least in certain territories.
Ah yes you're right about the NX release mention. Form factor though, even if it's probably a home console if we go with a strait Zelda U port, was not clearly leaked by the source.
lol. You assume way too much. Nintendo has publicly stated they will try something new again if something fails. So you're dead wrong about how Nintendo operates.
You're also dead wrong in assuming that making a console with the same power as the other guys is magically not a huge risk. Go ask the GameCube. And the Gamecube didn't launch 3 years later after the other guys racked up a 60+ million and counting install base.
Also show me where I said the NX won't have PS4 power. What I did say is that it's a rumor. Not a fact. I said stop looking to Nintendo for specs. And if you really wanted Ps4 power then buy a PS4. It's been out for 2 1/2 years. Stop thinking Nintendo is about the latest and greatest specs. How many times does Nintendo have to not release hardware with higher specs than the competition for people to believe they don't care about specs? And won't be playing the Xbox/PS clone game?
gotta get over it.
I totally agree. I might be biased because I am one of these people, but I truly believe there are a lot of Nintendo fans that did not buy a Wii U because it was an unappealing product. Nintendo has aliented a lot of their older fans. It was worth it when they had the casual audience with the Wii and DS, but now that that audience has abandoned them, they are paying the price.
I'm really hoping Nintendo makes a legitimate attempt to get these lapsed fans back.
"Also show me where I said the NX won't have PS4 power"
Bruhh..... in the exact same post
"I said stop looking to Nintendo for specs. And if you really wanted Ps4 power then buy a PS4. It's been out for 2 1/2 years. Stop thinking Nintendo is about the latest and greatest specs."
I'm not getting into that old argument about why the gamecube failed, I have my views and you have yours. We'll see at e3, won't we.
Yeah going by all the 3ds games supposedly coming out this year I'm expecting the handheld next year.
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I know Nintendo's new system specs are likely close to being finalized but now that the PS4.5 specs are out isn't this the most opportune time for Nintendo to come out with something more powerful that the PS4.5? Sony really cannot come back with anything until PS5 which would be years away.
480-640p screen, a feature-rich GPU, and preferably lots of fast embedded VRAM like the 3DS. I don't care that much about power and don't know enough about manufacturing to say what is resonable for a specific price point.
I mostly just want to know know when it's coming out and when I get the specs/devkit. If it's releasing holiday 2017 and they'll be as secretive as they are now with the assumed 2016 NX release now; with with no info until E3 2017 I'm kindof screwed. I don't want to work for a year without a clear target platform, and while I could probably cut back a bit on the graphics for my new project to work on 3DS I don't want to release a heavily gimped 3DS version right before the launch its successor.
Why bother? People aren't going to suddenly choose NX because it's 30% more powerful than the PS4...or 30% more powerful than the PS4K for that matter.
They'll buy it because it has the right games and the right concept at the right price...with the right marketing. As long as it's powerful enough to get good quality, easy ports ...and popular enough to make them worthwhile, that's all that matters.
I honestly don't think they'll wait til Holiday 2017 to release their next handheld.
Like you said in a previous post of yours, 3DS sales are declining too fast so they can't really afford the luxury to release it the next holiday.
They'll most likely release it Q1 2017 (Q2 at the abolute latest) and probably in Japan first with a western release soon after.
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You don't think some 360 users switched to PS4 due to a little more power? I do.
The gameboy did as well and lasted almost all the way into the Gamecube launch
Gameboy (OG) NES/SNES/64
But Bruhh that doesn't mean the same thing.
Doesn't matter how powerful the NX is if everything else is garbage. Marketing, online infrastructure, the gimmick (if there is one )steady release of games; everything needs to be on point for this thing to sell.
blu
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You joker, you. Everybody knows devs dream of 1080p screens where their handheld productions can really shine. In OLED.
gamecube was being sold at a profit at launch
I think it only lost money when they dropped it to $99, and even that was only a couple of months
wii u + gamepad was a FAR bigger risk than a powerful console, and it costed them big time. wii u bombed so hard it makes gamecube look like ps2 in comparison.
I think it only lost money when they dropped it to $99, and even that was only a couple of months
wii u + gamepad was a FAR bigger risk than a powerful console, and it costed them big time. wii u bombed so hard it makes gamecube look like ps2 in comparison.
Agreed. Nintendo don't need to (and won't) alter their specs to match/surpass an unreleased ps4k. We've no idea if ps4k will even sell, might die on its ass for all we know.
Some...but I think the fact it launched for $100 less, had far better PR, had the same 3rd party software support AND was more powerful..is what sold it.
If Xbox One didn't have their PR nightmare and the price points were reversed, I don't doubt that the XBox would have done far better than it has.
Nintendo is in a different position...as people simply won't believe it'll get the same 3rd party support, so that'll be off putting even if it was 5 times more powerful than PS4K and $100 cheaper. As ever, Nintendo will have to ensure their own software and "gimmick/hook" is enough to pull the public in initially (backed up by key 3rd party titles)..and then hopefully that will build 3rd party support. Power is only a small part of the equation ..and certainly not the most important factor in Nintendo's quest for success.
I just got an invitation to E3 from Nintendo but I won't be able to go... since travel is not included.
Kinda sucks but it's not like I was gonna be able to go anyway. Would have liked to have seen history being made (good or bad)... Actually if they just do a digital event I won't miss much.
Kinda sucks but it's not like I was gonna be able to go anyway. Would have liked to have seen history being made (good or bad)... Actually if they just do a digital event I won't miss much.
But it won't get good ports even if it has PS4-like power because it won't have the install base. IT's going to get leftovers.
No one is going to buy an NX for 3rd party games when there is a 60+ million install base and counting of PS4s and X1s. The better versions of the games would be on the PS4/X1 if they get made at all for a "powerful enough" NX. A consumer's friends will be on the other platforms. All the games will be designed first for the other platforms. 3rd parties aren't going to invest in any gimmick Nintendo has either. And the other platforms have more established and more robust online systems.
The NX will be a 1st party box. 3rd party support will be like it has been for over 10 years. An illusion. In name only. There will be enough 3rd party support to legitimize its mention on the back of the box at launch. No more.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
It really doesn't matter because it seems like Nintendo will be going the iterative route too and there's probably NX V2 in 3 years.
I'd imagine March/April 2017.
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Rösti
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That's very nice. I assume the invite was sent through the E3 page?
It would be nice to attend E3, let alone get an invite, but travel is too an issue for me.
Core gamers certainly won't be buying for 3rd party....but Nintendo do still need the FIFA's, COD's, Madden's, Star Wars if they want to keep the mass market happy (and GTA in an ideal world). Nintendo don't need ALL 3rd party games..but there are some they should try and lockdown (even if they have to pay for the ports themselves).
But you'll miss the 4K fireworks! D:
An invitation? Like, you would be VIP?
Normally when I hear someone got an invitation to E3 from one of the big 3 it's to be at the Press Conference.
Principate
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Honestly I don't think is some eternal default. Had the Wii U actually had XB1 level graphics coming off the success of the wii, it probably would have had much better third party support than it did, and the console itself would have likely done better. The wii was a gold mine for several large publishers. Nintendo blew that good will.
Could be just to let him into E3 to cover Nintendo stuff.
Until I know what NX is, I won't know for sure, but if NX, as a console, is a solid, well made console, with a decent controller, I can guarantee you i'll buy every 3rd party game on NX over PS4 (assuming the 3rd party games aren't missing features and run at a comparable performance level). So please, don't say 'no one.' There are definitely those like me who would rather just do everything on one system, if possible.
Heck, any indie game that's on both PS4 and Wii U, I buy on Wii U because I can play off-tv.
If the NX matches the PS4 Base and the XB1 and is easy enough to dev for, 3rd Parties will be there.
Of course, power is only part of the equation.
Eh, Nintendo had press meetings during '13, '14 and '15 as well. It could be for those.
The other part is the audience, which is something that Nintendo will have to get around if they want third party support.
Nintendo won't pay for ports.
They will leave the door open and lobby to get a few names on their system with promises of a mention on the box or in Nintendo promotional materials but that's it.
It's going to be enough so you can't literally say it doesn't have 3rd party support. But that's as far as it will go. That's the MO.
Angry Chair
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None of this is true.
Can't have one without the other. You need 3rd parties to attract people, you need people to attract third parties. Nintendo needs to help fund some games and license out their IP to other devs as an incentive. I firmly believe they'll have the support of capcom, badai-namco, tecmo-koei, and square for the first year, if not longer.
I also think they'll be the only dedicated gaming handheld on the market after next year, so you'll have japanese 3rd parties putting games on it like crazy. If the rumors are true that those games can also be played on the console, then you just increased the console's third party (at least japanese) library by a truckload.
Even gamecube got third party support, despite selling a fraction of what PS2 sold. Not as much, but it got tons of multiplat games. There will be households who do not have a PS4 yet and may choose NX at the end of the year instead. Those people will gladly buy third party on NX.
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Rösti
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The invite Nintendo can send through the E3 page/MYS gives a specific individual free access to the show floor. An invite to a separate event like a press conference I believe must be done separately.
Fools gold. The Wii U had the power of the 360/PS3 for a year and didn't get crap except some old ports.
I think Activision is the only one that made a same day, same game release as the 360/PS3 with its port of CoD. And even though is was pretty equal it didn't get the DLC.
EVerything else was ports of sub-$20 360/PS3 games for $60.
Nintendo cheaped out on the CPU and has a different architecture. Hence the "easy to develop for."
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