jossueinacoma
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I'm wth you OP
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I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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The Dark Knight improves on it in almost every wayacing, villains, action, etc.
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Prophet Steve
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I didn't even disliked Man of Steel that much and was a bit underwhelmed by Civil War, but nope not at all.
They share a lot of similarities, but I feel Civil War pulls of a lot of things better. My biggest problem is with character motivations. Civil War has a few issues sometimes, but BvS is awful with that.
First of all you have Batman being pissed at Superman for bringing people in danger and collateral damage. And he proceeds to do the same thing.
Then after one hour and a half of build up they finally fight for five minutes and they have a very weird reason for stopping and buddy up. So all the build up is basically thrown away while it made a difference in Civil War.
And then you have Lex Luthor who is just non sensible. Even if his motivation would be xenophobia or something, creating Doomsday is absolutely contradictory. He never seems to intent to have any control over Doomsday and just wants them to fight. Is he just taking his chances and hopes that Superman and Doomsday both die? I doubt so, or else they should have made an indication of that in the movie.
They share a lot of similarities, but I feel Civil War pulls of a lot of things better. My biggest problem is with character motivations. Civil War has a few issues sometimes, but BvS is awful with that.
First of all you have Batman being pissed at Superman for bringing people in danger and collateral damage. And he proceeds to do the same thing.
Then after one hour and a half of build up they finally fight for five minutes and they have a very weird reason for stopping and buddy up. So all the build up is basically thrown away while it made a difference in Civil War.
And then you have Lex Luthor who is just non sensible. Even if his motivation would be xenophobia or something, creating Doomsday is absolutely contradictory. He never seems to intent to have any control over Doomsday and just wants them to fight. Is he just taking his chances and hopes that Superman and Doomsday both die? I doubt so, or else they should have made an indication of that in the movie.
Batman killed thousands of innocent civilians?
Prophet Steve
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No, but he was responsible for killing civilians during the car chase and seemed to not care at all. Never is this brought up in any way.
tbh I find it more acceptable that someone likes bvs more because they like the characters more or they thought the story and premise was cooler or that it looks cool. Not because they are ignoring the incredibly blatant problems with the movie. it's a much more flawed movie by almost any objective measure.
He did. Indirectly.
Even if you come out absolutely despising it on every level it's still worth seeing.
25% of the movie is good, the other 75% is a godly mess. Rent it
I don't blame you OP.
To me, BvS is one of those movies that leave a good first impression. So much happens in the film, only the good scenes stuck to you immediately afterward. The problem is once you start thinking about the movie, it starts to fall apart. The more you analyze it, the more flaws you'll find. I think this is also why it fair so poorly with critic...because critic have to think about and analyze the film...because, you know, that's their job.
BvS is really a bunch of fan services thrown together, that's why you liked
. But beyond that, as a movie, it has a lot of shortcomings. I like to think of the movie as a "collection" of scenes, really. Hey...I have to admit I like some of these scene too.
If you like it, good for you...but it has a lot of flaws that once you realize it, it's hard to ignore.
To me, BvS is one of those movies that leave a good first impression. So much happens in the film, only the good scenes stuck to you immediately afterward. The problem is once you start thinking about the movie, it starts to fall apart. The more you analyze it, the more flaws you'll find. I think this is also why it fair so poorly with critic...because critic have to think about and analyze the film...because, you know, that's their job.
BvS is really a bunch of fan services thrown together, that's why you liked
Flash cameo, Wonder Woman bits, and the fight scenes.
If you like it, good for you...but it has a lot of flaws that once you realize it, it's hard to ignore.
I thought Civil War had roughly the same problems as Batman vs. Superman. Too much going on, too much too explain, everything but the kitchen sink thrown in. Both films want to raise issues about a hero's responsibility to the citizens he protects and the weight of their collateral damage. Then both movies seem to completely forget about about those issues once the plot goes into overdrive. Both are just too somber and overwrought for their own good.
That said, there's no way that Civil War could ever be as interminably dull and patience-testing as Batman vs Superman.
That said, there's no way that Civil War could ever be as interminably dull and patience-testing as Batman vs Superman.
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Steve.1981
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I've never read a comic book in my life and have no biased reason to pick one over the other. I thought they were both good films.
BvS had a wonderful build-up going for about the first hour and a half, and some superb visuals. Zach Snyder knows how to frame an awesome shot of a superhero. The doomsday fight was a big letdown for me (apart from Wonder Woman taking charge and all round being pretty badass), it felt like nobody knew how to end the film so they just threw in a big cgi monster for the heroes to fight.
Civil War on the other hand had a much better ending, it was more low-key but felt more meaningful. It wasn't perfect (I posted in the spoiler thread what I thought it did wrong) but I'd take it over doomsday every time. I'm also very impressed with how the Russo brothers shoot their action scenes. They have a realistic feel to them, for the most part, that I like.
I honestly just think both films have their own styles with their own strengths and weaknesses. There's room in the world for both. Not looking to start an argument (because it's really no skin off my nose) but I have to say, the way people are going on about BvS on here is fucking ridiculous.
BvS had a wonderful build-up going for about the first hour and a half, and some superb visuals. Zach Snyder knows how to frame an awesome shot of a superhero. The doomsday fight was a big letdown for me (apart from Wonder Woman taking charge and all round being pretty badass), it felt like nobody knew how to end the film so they just threw in a big cgi monster for the heroes to fight.
Civil War on the other hand had a much better ending, it was more low-key but felt more meaningful. It wasn't perfect (I posted in the spoiler thread what I thought it did wrong) but I'd take it over doomsday every time. I'm also very impressed with how the Russo brothers shoot their action scenes. They have a realistic feel to them, for the most part, that I like.
I honestly just think both films have their own styles with their own strengths and weaknesses. There's room in the world for both. Not looking to start an argument (because it's really no skin off my nose) but I have to say, the way people are going on about BvS on here is fucking ridiculous.
Haven't seen Civil War yet so cannot comment on that but BvS is a mess.
The first half of BvS was just a bunch of random scenes slapped together with zero build up. And they played through quickly to boot, scenes were over so fast you didn't know what the point of them were.
The buildup to the supes bman fight felt very shallow.
There is literally zero clark kent character in thos whole movie, the best part of superman was him being trying to be a human half the time.
The branding of criminals was stupid.
Wonder woman was there, just because i guess. Why steal the download tool? Made no sense.
Lex luthor making doomsday... but why? Why do you need a deadbody for it?
There is more but these are the things that stick out.
Wag
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This post exists in a parallel universe.
cr0w
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So it's the film's fault that you didn't pay attention to it at all. Good to know.
MisterHero
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I dunno why I came back to this thread (I just want to talk about the movie. -_-), but the Genesis chamber needed source DNA to make anything. In MoS it would have come from the Codex.
At least Kandor got namedropped
Glass Rebel
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Wait until the Director's Cut is out and impressions hit the net. There might actually be a decent movie hidden underneath it.
I'm sure sorry I find sean connery antics more amusing than indy chasing marion in a comedy sketch.
Gee which pot is she in?
Well it is the film's fault, if it wasn't so shittly put together, I could remember wtf is going on.
How did lex know it could build things? I mean he brought yhe body with him so he must have known before hand. Why didn't doomsday attack lex at all?
BigBossVanzetti
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I think I did too. Civil War felt pretty by the books. Still a good movie though, with IMO incredible presentation. God damn the Russo Bros. have a great future ahead of them.
You didn't like the movie that's fine but it provided that information so the quality of the movie doesn't matter.
And it did attack Lex. Superman blocked the punch.
MisterHero
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The machine told him lots of stuff in a previous scene.
I just wanna know if the ship ever becomes the Fortress of Solitude!
Gamer @ Heart
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Redbox it. With such low expectations at this point and a $2 dollar rental, you will likely come out of it positive.
Ascenion
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I actually support this viewpoint. I'm holding out hope for my third viewing for this. As it stands two theatrical showings just made a bad film worse. I reexpereinced everything I hated and then noticed more awful things.
What did he mean by this?
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No spoilers, but yes they are similar movies. The difference of course is that in Civil War they are all friends, versus being strangers in BvS.
The characters in both come off as hypocrites, but in Civil War they at least deserved to be hypocrites.
The characters in both come off as hypocrites, but in Civil War they at least deserved to be hypocrites.
petethepanda
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I personally think Civil War is a significantly better movie, but there's fun to be had in BvZ. The vitriol surrounding that movie is crazy.
Spirit of Jazz
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It's the only movie I've ever watched in a cinema that I've regretted paying for. Nothing about it is worth seeing unless you're super into seeing some of Millar's most iconic panels faithfully created on the big screen.
HassanJamal
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This thread is toxic and has burned my brains out.
There is build up, the 3 character's own lil stories plus Lex eventually clashing into one point.
I found it ok. Batman's super paranoid and even afraid that with Superman still on this Earth, slight chance humanity is deaded. Plus, this Batman has been in the superhero business for a long ass time and what he's done for mission, felt like it wasn't doing anything worthwhile on this planet but striking down an all-powerful being that could potentially doom mankind, it'll have been worth his whole time dressing up as a bat. That's my view on it, I guess.
There is that bit of Clark Kent trying to target Batman in the newspapers and disregarding Perry's orders. But yeah, mostly Supes and less Clark for this crossover.
Why was it stupid?
Lex had pictures of her, she knew he had info of sort on her life as Wonder Woman. She didnt want that in his hands.
Plan B or whatever plans he had in the future. Doomsday wasn't activated until Supes and Bats didnt do as he planned. He needed the dead body IIRC the AI saying to create from the dead will make an abomination, something Kryptonians were banned from ever doing. He's psy-cho-tic Lex, he do wanna what he wanna do, aint no one stopping him.
There is build up, the 3 character's own lil stories plus Lex eventually clashing into one point.
I found it ok. Batman's super paranoid and even afraid that with Superman still on this Earth, slight chance humanity is deaded. Plus, this Batman has been in the superhero business for a long ass time and what he's done for mission, felt like it wasn't doing anything worthwhile on this planet but striking down an all-powerful being that could potentially doom mankind, it'll have been worth his whole time dressing up as a bat. That's my view on it, I guess.
There is that bit of Clark Kent trying to target Batman in the newspapers and disregarding Perry's orders. But yeah, mostly Supes and less Clark for this crossover.
Why was it stupid?
Lex had pictures of her, she knew he had info of sort on her life as Wonder Woman. She didnt want that in his hands.
Plan B or whatever plans he had in the future. Doomsday wasn't activated until Supes and Bats didnt do as he planned. He needed the dead body IIRC the AI saying to create from the dead will make an abomination, something Kryptonians were banned from ever doing. He's psy-cho-tic Lex, he do wanna what he wanna do, aint no one stopping him.
this is exactly how me and all my friends are feeling right now
Its super late, ill try to address your points tomorrow.
I will say, in this mess of a movie, Ben Affleck played a pretty good Batman. I'm excited for that.
HassanJamal
Member
Okie dokes. Yup, thats no doubt Batfleck is awesome.
brandonh83
Banned
The World Machine did most of the damage before Superman even got there and getting into a brawl with Zod isn't exactly going to lead to some graceful fight. What we see in Man of Steel doesn't really show any civilians being killed by the fight. BVS took it upon itself to pander to the people who thought it was a big deal, and made it look far more grim than MOS did. In fact the buildings they fought through and stuff didn't look populated. They fought mostly in the ruins that the machines caused.
If MOS actually focused on people being hurt or whatever this would be a different story, but after seeing it several times I never got the sensation that what Superman did specifically caused a bunch of death. Again BVS shows this, but I don't think it would have if people didn't react the way they did. It felt like damage control to me, no pun intended.
Even the scene in BvS, Superman is thrown into that building by Zod, it's not like he is ramming people into it.
Allforce
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I watched both this week and had a better time with BvS. Just felt like the kind of comic book movie I've wanted to see for awhile. Stakes seemed real and I liked that Doomsday just was a real fucking wrecking ball and had to be stopped ASAP.
Civil War was fine but I don't really know the lore behind a ton of the characters that were major players. I think I saw half of CA: Winter Soldier so I don't really get who Bucky is and why he's so powerful, don't know anything about Black Panther, Zemo, etc. That said I liked Spiderman and Ant Man alot but not a movie I'm probably going to watch again.
Civil War was fine but I don't really know the lore behind a ton of the characters that were major players. I think I saw half of CA: Winter Soldier so I don't really get who Bucky is and why he's so powerful, don't know anything about Black Panther, Zemo, etc. That said I liked Spiderman and Ant Man alot but not a movie I'm probably going to watch again.
Are we at the point of the narrative that MoS wasn't bleak? I mean, we see people getting lifted and squashed like pancakes. No, Superman didn't murder them, but he could have prevented those deaths if he blew up the ship in the first place when he got his powers back and had come to his resolve from ghost dad to save humanity. Sure, he had to save Lois from the impact, but he could have did more damage to the ship easily. He directly led Zod and crew into Smallville. He and Zod crashlanded into Metropolis which forced him to kill Zod. You can chalk it up to inexperience but he could have prevented a lot of deaths. We wouldn't have gotten the film we got, but that's another story.
brandonh83
Banned
Didn't say it wasn't bleak. I just said that it doesn't really show Superman actually causing any death. It was basically this huge unfortunate event that he tried his best with. And he did, you know, prevent the destruction/harvesting of the entire planet. Zod was there on some serious business and Superman was pretty outmatched. All things considered, I thought it turned out better than it would have otherwise.
Anyway, I'll forfeit if it means that I don't have to talk about it anymore. I shouldn't have even made the post. I know what it gets me into
Anyway, I'll forfeit if it means that I don't have to talk about it anymore. I shouldn't have even made the post. I know what it gets me into
brandonh83
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I really liked Man of Steel. I don't have a lot of personal connection to Superman really and just enjoyed it as a fun action movie. Good soundtrack too.
BVS on the other hand.
BVS on the other hand.
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