roflwaffles
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Wouldn't pay for it.
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I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Wouldn't pay for it.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Bleak means without hope, more or less, so yeah I'd say MoS isn't a bleak film. Kevin Cosner and Laurence Fishburne both expressed their opinion that the world couldn't cope with superman's existence, but then the film goes on to show that they're wrong, or at least mostly wrong. The film's message is "things might be a bit fucked, but there is hope for a better tomorrow".
I'd say it's a moderately dark film, because it pushes Superman to kill someone and there's a lot of destruction that happens. But not really bleak in its outlook.
Effigenius
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i enjoyed bvs. But Civil War was much better.
Yeah again, I feel the same way. I keep seeing this thread and trying to wrack my brain about what I could see differently about CW to make it on par with BvS, or even harder, to make it WORSE than BvS and I just draw a blank.
Even the tone of CW was much more solemn than the other MCU films. I fucking loved Wonder Woman in BvS, but I am much more hype to see both BP and Spidey after seeing CW than I am to see Aqua, Cyborg, Flash or WW by a mile at this point.
Knuckle Sandwich
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I liked them both very much. Gotta give the nod to BvS because I just like DC better than Marvel.
deadscreensky
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You can skip it. Maybe check out the future extended cut, it's possible the extra footage will fix some of the film's numerous, numerous problems.
skip it.
in fact, just watch watchmen instead. it's snyder's best superhero work that deals with similar themes, although largely imperfect. it's certainly better than bvs though
or you don't have to watch any of them. i don't think snyder has a voice that is vital to superhero/comic book cinema because all he excels at is cherrypicking iconography
doubtful. the idea that a fucking batman vs superman movie requires a six hour cut and an r-rating to be done right is ludicrous
Hopefully the extended scenes will help and maybe give more meaning to Lois's bullet plotline.
So much attention to something that didn't even matter in the end.
deadscreensky
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Well I'm not suggesting the extended version will suddenly become a good movie. Snyder really salted that earth pretty heavily, right? And like you correctly point out, it's not like he has anything interesting or new to say in his superhero films, it's all just weak echoes of much better stuff.
But rearranging scenes, adding some connective tissue (establishing shots would be cool), making character development a little more coherent -- all of these could improve the film, even in small ways.
It's probably not going to be worse. Probably. Also watching it at home makes it convenient to take breaks!
SporeCrawler
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There were some problems with it but i give it a solid 7.5
Where does this six hours nonsense keep coming from? I've seen it multiple times. The Ultimate Cut is 30 minutes longer. Not 3 and a half hours longer.
Their motovations are entitely clear for me, first of all Batman was the ultimate badass for 20 years when suddenly an all powerful good guy appears, that's gotta be a tough one to process. The magnitude of Superman's powers is so extreme that Batman of course fears for Gotham, maybe he also thought like a lot of the press that if it wasn't for him there wouldn't be an alien ship in the city. Yeah and Superman is motivated by 2 things, Batman being too brutal with his foes and yeah then Lex doesn't give him a choice. I had a much harder time understanding Cap's motivations. The reason for buddying up made sense, Batman figured out that Superman is just trying to save someone helpless and innocent, the same name helped the Bat get over himself. Superman's approach after Lex took Martha was dumb, but yeah that fight was worth it. No Batman fight comes even remotely close. Lots of people seem to be totally nitpicky with this movie, but Civil War can do no wrong. It's just really cool right now to suck off Civil War and hate on BvS for everything you can imagine.
Jables Swan
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You don't need to see it. Civil War is probably a must see if there is such a thing. If you do watch BvS, it's worth waiting for Netflix.
Yeezus H. Christ
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See, why don't we reverse this kind of thinking back on the people who liked the film?
'A few people seem to be totally biased with this movie. It's just cool for them right now to jerk off BvS because they like to be contrarian and love thinking they're smarter than everything else.'
Stop with these toxic posts, please.
The One and Done
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Is her name Martha?
I loved civil war and it's ok to have opinions, this is mine, the problem is so many don't respect mine. I admit BvS is the smarter movie in my opinion, it's got great subtle details and themes that made me think, moreso than Civil War.
All I'm saying is it's really cool to agree with reviews apparently, it's totally understandable to prefer Civil War, what bothers me is the total lack of understanding of the haters here.
I also don't nitpick with Civil War, I don't in general with the MCU, way too many corny moments.
Yeezus H. Christ
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It's fine to like BvS. It's fine to like it more than Civil War.
But you don't need to resort to the same cries of bias and pathetic accusations that MCU fanboys do. That kind of mentality is just bad overall. The 'get your head checked'-type posts aren't commendable, and neither are 'it's just cool to like Civil War and hate BvS right now!' posts that for some reason not nearly enough people call out, because it's just as toxic as the MCU ones, too.
YesNOnoNOYes
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i like civil war and i enjoyed bvs for revealing to me that batman dreamt of being chained up by supes
both have good points :>
both have good points :>
Monocle
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I mean... speak for yourself. If BvS was less predictable than CW, it's sure not the result of smart writing or good filmmaking.
I totally didn't predict that Batman and Superman's big fight was the direct result of
Superman's idiotic communication. All he had to do was inform Batman about his mom's kidnapping with one sentence. It's not hard. He literally could have just yelled. "I need to save my mother!"
That's a compelling argument that I didn't consider. Also, BvS definitely outclassed CW in the shirtless hunk department.
Well but that that is cool seems to be almost the consensus, I'm just saying how it seems, opinions shouldn't be met so hostile just because of bad reviews or because of the general concensus. What other reason is there? If you just didn't like it yeah, but all these really rude posts I'm pretty sure are in part because of the reviews and the concensus, I also wonder how many of these people actually watched BvS.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Pretty sure everyone making those posts has seen BvS. It's been out for more than a month.
As for a reason, kind of think of it as if you made a thread titled, "I enjoyed the Phantom Menace more than Empire Strikes Back, who is with me?". You'd probably get the same level of response, more or less.
well but that I don't think for example, you would be very hard pressed to make a case for phantom menace, but I'm not at all hard pressed to do so with BvS. I think this thread might help with understanding what different personalities enjoy in superhero movies.
...I...I like Menace more than Jedi...should I make the thread?
You know for Science.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Spring-Loaded
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I voted "no," before seeing Civil War. Now that I've seen CW, can a mod please rescind my vote so that I may vote no again
Monocle
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I had no idea Ben Affleck of all people could be so...inspirational.
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Dash_Riprock
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You thought CW had a happy ending? WTF?
Yeezus H. Christ
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The fuck happy ending did you see?
Go see it and make your own opinion
YesNOnoNOYes
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lol longdi with the disney happy ending wild goose chase trail again :>
i know right? i... i hadn't expected that, in the slightest! but i was... i was pleased, oh yes.
i know right? i... i hadn't expected that, in the slightest! but i was... i was pleased, oh yes.
Not only that, the main thrust of his argument is that happiness is inherently of inferior depth than pointless misery. Ha.
brandonh83
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Happy is pretty much the last way I'd describe it. If anything it was far less cookie-cutter than I thought it'd be.
Magnetic_North
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I read the OP then I saw this image fucking howling at work good lord
Civil War is better than BvS but if you liked BvS then that's like your opinion man
So you make an opinion thread and get angry when the majority opinion disagree with you and call anyone who descents from your own opinion that BvS is the more enjoyable movie "haters" and "fan boys"
...okay then...
echoshifting
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Don't waste your money, wait for Netflix
I think the mentality that reviews play a factor in people's opinions is ludicrous. Perhaps the general conensus is negative for Batman v Superman because it just isn't a good movie. That's not to say there won't be people who enjoy it or are fans of it, but to point towards reviews for its public reception is silly.
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Discotheque
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honestly they both are half an hour to 45 minutes too long (and feel like it) and have pacing problems but civil war has far more crowd-pleasing moments and also it has the right end fight scene
as opposed to BvS which should have ended with Batman vs. Superman instead of that lame doomsday fight.
That would require a lot of changes but it was necessary imo.
iron man vs cap/bucky
That would require a lot of changes but it was necessary imo.
Pretty much this.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Doomsday fight was meh but the warehouse was after the titular fight and way better.
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