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TheDanger said:
Their motovations are entitely clear for me, first of all Batman was the ultimate badass for 20 years when suddenly an all powerful good guy appears, that's gotta be a tough one to process. The magnitude of Superman's powers is so extreme that Batman of course fears for Gotham, maybe he also thought like a lot of the press that if it wasn't for him there wouldn't be an alien ship in the city. Yeah and Superman is motivated by 2 things, Batman being too brutal with his foes and yeah then Lex doesn't give him a choice. I had a much harder time understanding Cap's motivations. The reason for buddying up made sense, Batman figured out that Superman is just trying to save someone helpless and innocent, the same name helped the Bat get over himself. Superman's approach after Lex took Martha was dumb, but yeah that fight was worth it. No Batman fight comes even remotely close. Lots of people seem to be totally nitpicky with this movie, but Civil War can do no wrong. It's just really cool right now to suck off Civil War and hate on BvS for everything you can imagine.
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Lol okay, I even mention that Civil War is underwhelming to me, but sure I am going with the hype.

So your first argument is that Batman used to be the badass and so his pride is probably getting in the way and he must be jealous. It could be an okay setup. Make Batman out to be this flawed character that is fueled by jealously to find reasons to trump Superman. However, I have never seen any hint of this in the movie. You can pretend it is there, but Batman isn't that type of superhero.

And Batman fears for Gotham are completely valid. As I mentioned, he disapproves of the collateral damage, endangerment of human lives and does consider Superman as a threat. And that is completely fine, they established that well and most certainly took their time for doing so.

But he is responsible for the same thing, even when on a lower scale (although not in the case of collateral damage considering the end). He is a bit of a hypocrite and gives the exact same impression to other people himself. Thinking Superman is responsible for the alien ship is pure speculation and they should have made some indication of that in conversations between Batman and Superman (are these men incapable of having discussions!?). Even if that is the case, he is still being an hypocrite since he is responsible for the same thing with a lot of his villains.

Also, I had no qualms with Superman having beef with Batman. That seemed pretty justified. Although it does remind me why the hell Batman thought it was a good idea to mark criminals basically giving them a death sentence. The movie actually never gives his point of view about it. He just does it suddenly for a couple of times to setup Superman's motivation even though it doesn't seem to fit the character. They never ever have any discussion about it either between Superman and Batman. It is just so clear that it was forced as the easiest way to have a reason for fighting Batman.

And so, we finish Batman's qualms with Superman with the name Martha. Apparently this convinces him that Superman is trying to save civilians? Like, fighting the alien wasn't enough while in Man of Steel it was communicated to the whole world that everybody would be killed if Superman would not surrender? Don't you think Superman has been known for saving other civilians in all that time? But suddenly the name Martha makes him realize that Superman does that?

And then we still have Lex who just enjoys being a wacky cunt.

Now I do also have some problems with Cap's motivation in Civil War. Although I think there is a logical sound reason for not signing the treaty (not knowing what their superiors would tell them to do and not do), it is weird to me that Cap is the one that brings up that issue. Considering he has been a very patriotic image for his country and has served without major disagreements with SHIELD and his country. In my opinion could have made more sense if he would have received an order he strongly disagreed with or used the HYDRA influence in SHIELD as an argument. That is something I consider a bit of a negative point in the movie, but it isn't anywhere as bad imo. All the rest of his motivations seem to have been fueled by Bucky and not trusting Tony to make the right choice.

ThoseDeafMutes said:
Doomsday fight was meh but the warehouse was after the titular fight and way better.
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Best fight in any Batman movie. Soooo good.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
Doomsday fight was meh but the warehouse was after the titular fight and way better.
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On a purely technical level in terms of action choreography, I agree.

But creatively, it's off for me. First, it's not at all how he's fought up until now. He relied on brute strength to get him through the day, but now he's jumping and leaping and using gadgets. It's not how he's been established to fight, so it's jarring to see.

But worse is that the fight is borderline plagiarized from the Arkham games. Inspired would be one thing, but this all but lifted the animations of how Batman moves from that series. I'll count off how many moves are actually lifted, but the entire set up of going to a high perch, disabling guns, and then leaping down to jump around kicking ass is literally the basic gameplay. It's just so obviously that Snyder stumbled upon someone playing it at some point and decided he needed a scene like that without considering that that isn't how he's depicted batman's combat up until now.

That makes it decidedly not awesome for me.
 
Veelk said:
On a purely technical level in terms of action choreography, I agree.

But creatively, it's off for me. First, it's not at all how he's fought up until now. He relied on brute strength to get him through the day, but now he's jumping and leaping and using gadgets. It's not how he's been established to fight, so it's jarring to see.

But worse is that the fight is borderline plagiarized from the Arkham games. Inspired would be one thing, but this all but lifted the animations of how Batman moves from that series. It's just so obviously that Snyder stumbled upon someone playing it at some point and decided he needed a scene like that without considering that that isn't how he's depicted batman's combat up until now.

That makes it decidedly not awesome for me.
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The fight draws moves from the games, such as the grapnel slam, however quite a lot is not based on it. I think you're radically overplaying it. Also here's three layers of meta for you - the Captain America videogame, which was trying to be Arkham Assylum really hard, was one of the inspiration for fight scene choreography in The Winter Soldier.
 
Discotheque said:
this can only be a good thing for batman in live action. games nailed his ability to take on crowds really well.
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I read somewhere that from winter soldier on, they used the Arkham games as an inspiration to design Cap'n combat, but his combat is decidedly unique to him while seeing the elements of the Arkham games.

I can't agree and praise the way Snyder lifted the animations. The Arkham games are fantastic, but that doesn't absolve Snyder from being creative.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
The fight draws moves from the games, such as the grapnel slam, however quite a lot is not based on it. I think you're radically overplaying it. Also here's three layers of meta for you - the Captain America videogame, which was trying to be Arkham Assylum really hard, was one of the inspiration for fight scene choreography in The Winter Soldier.
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Yeah, I know, but there is a difference between influence and borderline plagiarism. Batman's combat looked like it was literally lifted from a gameplay video, baring only a few moves like his grenade tossback. I haven't played the Captain America game, but I'm willing to bet I can't replicate winter soldiers fights to the extent I could replicate batman's warehouse brawl.
 
Veelk said:
On a purely technical level in terms of action choreography, I agree.

But creatively, it's off for me. First, it's not at all how he's fought up until now. He relied on brute strength to get him through the day, but now he's jumping and leaping and using gadgets. It's not how he's been established to fight, so it's jarring to see.

But worse is that the fight is borderline plagiarized from the Arkham games. Inspired would be one thing, but this all but lifted the animations of how Batman moves from that series. I'll count off how many moves are actually lifted, but the entire set up of going to a high perch, disabling guns, and then leaping down to jump around kicking ass is literally the basic gameplay. It's just so obviously that Snyder stumbled upon someone playing it at some point and decided he needed a scene like that without considering that that isn't how he's depicted batman's combat up until now.

That makes it decidedly not awesome for me.
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I thought I was the only one who found it jarring that he suddenly fought like he did in the Arkham games after not displaying it at all during his fight with Supes.

I have no issue with them ripping the combat straight from the Arkham games, since that's the best depiction of Batman combat we've ever had. But yeah, strange that he goes from this brute force almost-Bane-like brawler and then goes ninja mode.
 
roflwaffles said:
I thought I was the only one who found it jarring that he suddenly fought like he did in the Arkham games after not displaying it at all during his fight with Supes.

I have no issue with them ripping the combat straight from the Arkham games, since that's the best depiction of Batman combat we've ever had. But yeah, strange that he goes from this brute force almost-Bane-like brawler and then goes ninja mode.
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He was wearing an armoured suit?
 
Firemind said:
He was wearing an armoured suit?
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And he was absolutely using gadgets in the previous two fights. Made heavy use of the mobility provided by the grapnel gun and the fight with superman was centred around the grenade launcher. He was doing the usual ninja stuff in the start with that police officer fight but we don't really see him do any fighting outside of the car until he's in his power armor to fight supes. He's adaptapting to the situations, dunno why that would have weirded people out.
 
Prophet Steve said:
Lol okay, I even mention that Civil War is underwhelming to me, but sure I am going with the hype.

So your first argument is that Batman used to be the badass and so his pride is probably getting in the way and he must be jealous. It could be an okay setup. Make Batman out to be this flawed character that is fueled by jealously to find reasons to trump Superman. However, I have never seen any hint of this in the movie. You can pretend it is there, but Batman isn't that type of superhero.

And Batman fears for Gotham are completely valid. As I mentioned, he disapproves of the collateral damage, endangerment of human lives and does consider Superman as a threat. And that is completely fine, they established that well and most certainly took their time for doing so.

But he is responsible for the same thing, even when on a lower scale (although not in the case of collateral damage considering the end). He is a bit of a hypocrite and gives the exact same impression to other people himself. Thinking Superman is responsible for the alien ship is pure speculation and they should have made some indication of that in conversations between Batman and Superman (are these men incapable of having discussions!?). Even if that is the case, he is still being an hypocrite since he is responsible for the same thing with a lot of his villains.

Also, I had no qualms with Superman having beef with Batman. That seemed pretty justified. Although it does remind me why the hell Batman thought it was a good idea to mark criminals basically giving them a death sentence. The movie actually never gives his point of view about it. He just does it suddenly for a couple of times to setup Superman's motivation even though it doesn't seem to fit the character. They never ever have any discussion about it either between Superman and Batman. It is just so clear that it was forced as the easiest way to have a reason for fighting Batman.

And so, we finish Batman's qualms with Superman with the name Martha. Apparently this convinces him that Superman is trying to save civilians? Like, fighting the alien wasn't enough while in Man of Steel it was communicated to the whole world that everybody would be killed if Superman would not surrender? Don't you think Superman has been known for saving other civilians in all that time? But suddenly the name Martha makes him realize that Superman does that?

And then we still have Lex who just enjoys being a wacky cunt.

Now I do also have some problems with Cap's motivation in Civil War. Although I think there is a logical sound reason for not signing the treaty (not knowing what their superiors would tell them to do and not do), it is weird to me that Cap is the one that brings up that issue. Considering he has been a very patriotic image for his country and has served without major disagreements with SHIELD and his country. In my opinion could have made more sense if he would have received an order he strongly disagreed with or used the HYDRA influence in SHIELD as an argument. That is something I consider a bit of a negative point in the movie, but it isn't anywhere as bad imo. All the rest of his motivations seem to have been fueled by Bucky and not trusting Tony to make the right choice.



Best fight in any Batman movie. Soooo good.
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He didnt use to be badass, he still is, as seen with first Batman appearance in BvS. From what I got from the film, its that years of years of crime fighting and what did it amount to? Gotham and I guess the whole world is still ridden with crime, take out the weed and another just pops up. Also different interpretation of Batman.

Again, the theme of a broken, beaten Batman, he gave up on going soft on the bad guys, perhaps losing any hope for any of them turning good. If they won't turn good, they might as well be dead. His villains though, got no idea on that front, only thing we know is Harley got locked up faraway in a hole and Joker is still out there for a reason.

He either kills them or lets them off with the mark that they got their ass handed to them by the Bats. A constant reminder that Batman is still out there.

Yes and no, my understanding was that Batman never saw Superman as one of them, just an alien, a threat to mankind and possibly a fake do-gooder, he wasnt convinced he was a 'good guy'. He also sees him as the reason why MoS's destruction and its consequences happened. Its only once Superman is truly defeated, about to die and at most weakest that instead of begging for life or pleading Batman as a person, he instead says Martha and is clearly 'TRIGGERED' and then the whole mom scene plays out. Then he sees Superman is just as human as he is and may be a chance he's good after all. Except you know, he's 'dead' now.

roflwaffles said:
I thought I was the only one who found it jarring that he suddenly fought like he did in the Arkham games after not displaying it at all during his fight with Supes.

I have no issue with them ripping the combat straight from the Arkham games, since that's the best depiction of Batman combat we've ever had. But yeah, strange that he goes from this brute force almost-Bane-like brawler and then goes ninja mode.
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Well, he was fighting Superman, not old regular henchman #646. Batman was prepped to go all out instead of his usual ninja Batman way since I'm assuming that way probably wouldn't work with his heavy ass iron bat suit and this guy who can see through walls and the other OP stuff he can do.
 
Am I reading this correctly? After film after film with subpar fights where Batman could not even turn his head and don't get me started on Nolan's inability to direct fighting, we have someone complaining that the Batman fight scene with few quick cuts or shaky cams, where you see Batman using gadgets and martial arts all at once, that sees him taking out a small army of henchman who don't come at him single file is being critiqued because it too closely emulated the highly-praised and well received games that filmmakers like Nolan wouldn't bother to try to film let alone recreate successfully is being criticised for wait for it... Successfully emulating the highly praised and well received Batman action games...... I swear some people. Either there's no pleasing them or looking for additional reasons to be mad.
 
Bleepey said:
Am I reading this correctly? After film after film with subpar fights where Batman could not even turn his head and don't get me started on Nolan's inability to direct fighting, we have someone complaining that the Batman fight scene with few quick cuts or shaky cams, where you see Batman using gadgets and martial arts all at once, that sees him taking out a small army of henchman who don't come at him single file is being critiqued because it too closely emulated the highly-praised and well received games that filmmakers like Nolan wouldn't bother to try to film let alone recreate successfully is being criticised for wait for it... Successfully emulating the highly praised and well received Batman action games...... I swear some people. Either there's no pleasing them or looking for additional reasons to be mad.
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Look at these amazing fight scenes. I am literally in awe. Nolan da gawd.
 
HassanJamal said:
He didnt use to be badass, he still is, as seen with first Batman appearance in BvS. From what I got from the film, its that years of years of crime fighting and what did it amount to? Gotham and I guess the whole world is still ridden with crime, take out the weed and another just pops up. Also different interpretation of Batman.

Again, the theme of a broken, beaten Batman, he gave up on going soft on the bad guys, perhaps losing any hope for any of them turning good. If they won't turn good, they might as well be dead. His villains though, got no idea on that front, only thing we know is Harley got locked up faraway in a hole and Joker is still out there for a reason.

He either kills them or lets them off with the mark that they got their ass handed to them by the Bats. A constant reminder that Batman is still out there.

Yes and no, my understanding was that Batman never saw Superman as one of them, just an alien, a threat to mankind and possibly a fake do-gooder, he wasnt convinced he was a 'good guy'. He also sees him as the reason why MoS's destruction and its consequences happened. Its only once Superman is truly defeated, about to die and at most weakest that instead of begging for life or pleading Batman as a person, he instead says Martha and is clearly 'TRIGGERED' and then the whole mom scene plays out. Then he sees Superman is just as human as he is and may be a chance he's good after all. Except you know, he's 'dead' now.



Well, he was fighting Superman, not old regular henchman #646. Batman was prepped to go all out instead of his usual ninja Batman way since I'm assuming that way probably wouldn't work with his heavy ass iron bat suit and this guy who can see through walls and the other OP stuff he can do.
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Yes he is still a badass, but the point was that Superman was a bigger badass and so Batman's pride got in the way. Although I'm pretty certain that is not what the movie is going for. Anyway.

Alright, so Batman is a damaged individual who kills criminals or brands them so that they are killed later, totally different interpretation of him, fine. It doesn't really sound like that makes him less of a danger to society than Superman, hell that is normally part of the reason why he does not kill. He also causes collateral damage even when not on the same level. It makes him such a huge hypocrite and the movie never addresses that in any way.

Oh right, not a good guy, It was broadcasted everywhere that Superman had to surrender in Man of Steel or else everyone would be killed. Batman is an experienced superhero in the movie and should have plenty of experience with collateral damage and tough situations, if anyone should sympathize with Superman and realize the damage was for the greater good it should have been him. But he doesn't, until the name Martha triggers him and he is suddenly convinced of that. It was pretty difficult to believe that that convinces Batman of the fact that Superman is a good person.
 
Prophet Steve said:
Yes he is still a badass, but the point was that Superman was a bigger badass and so Batman's pride got in the way. Although I'm pretty certain that is not what the movie is going for. Anyway.

Alright, so Batman is a damaged individual who kills criminals or brands them so that they are killed later, totally different interpretation of him, fine. It doesn't really sound like that makes him less of a danger to society than Superman, hell that is normally part of the reason why he does not kill. He also causes collateral damage even when not on the same level. It makes him such a huge hypocrite and the movie never addresses that in any way.

Oh right, not a good guy, It was broadcasted everywhere that Superman had to surrender in Man of Steel or else everyone would be killed. Batman is an experienced superhero in the movie and should have plenty of experience with collateral damage and tough situations, if anyone should sympathize with Superman and realize the damage was for the greater good it should have been him. But he doesn't, until the name Martha triggers him and he is suddenly convinced of that. It was pretty difficult to believe that that convinces Batman of the fact that Superman is a good person.
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The point of what? I'm a bit tired so I'm a bit lost on that.

Hypocrite I can see but why would this Batman be a danger to society? As far as we're shown, all the chaos he ever reigns on in the film doesnt effect anyone outside the bad guys. The guys who by the way were a ok with killing Batman so he's a ok with killing them. Guess that fit with him being a hypocrite.

Everyone would've been killed whether Supes surrendered or not ala drop the bass terraformers. Bruce needs more than the act of a god being kind here and there to convince him that not only Superman is good but a man to listen to. Plus he probably couldn't sympathize with a being who could wipe anyone out with a single eye blast. Then we're also shown Alfred trying to convince Bruce but he just isn't listening.
 
Not taking any sides, but I noticed the whole catalyst for the Sokovia Accords was because Captain America hesitated after Crossbones uttered the name "Bucky" and distracted Cap.

Names, the neo-superheroes' weakness.
 
HassanJamal said:
The point of what? I'm a bit tired so I'm a bit lost on that.

Hypocrite I can see but why would this Batman be a danger to society? As far as we're shown, all the chaos he ever reigns on in the film doesnt effect anyone outside the bad guys. The guys who by the way were a ok with killing Batman so he's a ok with killing them. Guess that fit with him being a hypocrite.

Everyone would've been killed whether Supes surrendered or not ala drop the bass terraformers. Bruce needs more than the act of a god being kind here and there to convince him that not only Superman is good but a man to listen to. Plus he probably couldn't sympathize with a being who could wipe anyone out with a single eye blast. Then we're also shown Alfred trying to convince Bruce but he just isn't listening.
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I mentioned the part of being a badass because the person I responded to implied that Batman not being the biggest badass around was a reason for being hostile to Superman.

And he is a danger because Batman is not acting with justice when he executes the criminals himself. Ironic, considering he is supposed to become one of the founders of the Justice League, but the branding and killing is probably never going to be brought up again anyway. He is also partly responsible for the damage at the end, is way more powerful than all the citizens and during the car chase scene is responsible for the death of citizens (not that that it is explicitly shown, but it wasn't in Man of Steel either).

What I am saying is that of all people Batman should realize that Superman was justified in doing what he needed to do. Even if the broadcast forcing Superman wasn't enough, after a lot of experience Batman should know that collateral damage was unavoidable. I am having a difficult time imagining that Batman did not realize Superman was a good person after saving a world, but suddenly does after being triggered, And with that, pretty much all of the time before that moment was rendered inconsequential.
 
The absolute biggest success of Civil War was that the motivations were sound overall (not even just for Iron Man and Cap) and that there was actual lead up to conflict. There wasn't just one reason apiece for them to want to stop the other, and the conflict of each side's ideals was interesting too. Batman and Superman shared no conversations (just traded single one-liners) before their fight. Just did not feel authentic for two heroes (or people that try to be heroic) to not even attempt to have any dialogue. Outside of that great opening scene, I couldn't buy the conflict. Some contrivance is understandable, and the audience is willing to suspend some disbelief considering the setting — questionable motivations really shouldn't make it that far in production.

Bleepey said:
Am I reading this correctly? After film after film with subpar fights where Batman could not even turn his head and don't get me started on Nolan's inability to direct fighting, we have someone complaining that the Batman fight scene with few quick cuts or shaky cams, where you see Batman using gadgets and martial arts all at once, that sees him taking out a small army of henchman who don't come at him single file is being critiqued because it too closely emulated the highly-praised and well received games that filmmakers like Nolan wouldn't bother to try to film let alone recreate successfully is being criticised for wait for it... Successfully emulating the highly praised and well received Batman action games...... I swear some people. Either there's no pleasing them or looking for additional reasons to be mad.
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It's more a sign that the Arkham games just nailed Batman from a physical perspective so perfectly, rather than the warehouse rescue being a "copy," of the games. I don't see it as plagiarism at all, merely the Arkham games and the BvS warehouse fight are both appropriate to the character.

It'd be like another J. Jonah Jameson being portrayed similar to J.K. Simmons — it wouldn't necessarily be a shameless copy of that role and more a sign that Simmons/Raimi just got it so right.
 
Japanmanx3 said:
Civil War is straight up galactic leagues above BvS. There is no comparison.
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Something something plays it safe something Marvel formula something happy ending.

Yes, someone here actually said that CW has a happy ending.

Corronchilejano said:
BvS made me appreciate MoS. Civil War didn't make me appreciate AoU... So I guess thats some sort of win... ?
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Same here, but only because I said after MoS that there is now way they can fuck up Supes even more and BvS proved me oh so wrong.
 
I enjoyed both movies but both missed a chance to be great(BvS) and special (CW). Panther and spiderman were really fun to see but I realized that these marvel ensemble movies need to have the heavy hitters around to really make it worth it. Airport scene felt lacking for me.
 
Prophet Steve said:
I mentioned the part of being a badass because the person I responded to implied that Batman not being the biggest badass around was a reason for being hostile to Superman.

And he is a danger because Batman is not acting with justice when he executes the criminals himself. Ironic, considering he is supposed to become one of the founders of the Justice League, but the branding and killing is probably never going to be brought up again anyway. He is also partly responsible for the damage at the end, is way more powerful than all the citizens and during the car chase scene is responsible for the death of citizens (not that that it is explicitly shown, but it wasn't in Man of Steel either).

What I am saying is that of all people Batman should realize that Superman was justified in doing what he needed to do. Even if the broadcast forcing Superman wasn't enough, after a lot of experience Batman should know that collateral damage was unavoidable. I am having a difficult time imagining that Batman did not realize Superman was a good person after saving a world, but suddenly does after being triggered, And with that, pretty much all of the time before that moment was rendered inconsequential.
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Yup, I remember also that flying unicorn that appeared in Lex Luthor party, not that it is explicitly shown...but hey, why not?
 
Prophet Steve said:
I mentioned the part of being a badass because the person I responded to implied that Batman not being the biggest badass around was a reason for being hostile to Superman.

And he is a danger because Batman is not acting with justice when he executes the criminals himself. Ironic, considering he is supposed to become one of the founders of the Justice League, but the branding and killing is probably never going to be brought up again anyway. He is also partly responsible for the damage at the end, is way more powerful than all the citizens and during the car chase scene is responsible for the death of citizens (not that that it is explicitly shown, but it wasn't in Man of Steel either).

What I am saying is that of all people Batman should realize that Superman was justified in doing what he needed to do. Even if the broadcast forcing Superman wasn't enough, after a lot of experience Batman should know that collateral damage was unavoidable. I am having a difficult time imagining that Batman did not realize Superman was a good person after saving a world, but suddenly does after being triggered, And with that, pretty much all of the time before that moment was rendered inconsequential.
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Ah ok then.

Its definitely justice he's serving in his disregard for the lives of scum way. Thats an aspect I could see appearing in a Red Hood adaptation, if they ever do. Yeah, he is partly but he does his best to steer danger away from populated areas and making things getting worse with Supes temp knocked out. Yep, its known he aint a normal civilian , hes a ninja dressed as a bat. What I remember was he followed the baddies through alleys at what im assume is late night and not many would be out by then.

I've explained why and unfortunately, this is the Batman Superman interaction we got. I was personally ok with the hand we were dealt with. Yeah, I guess I can see why the turn felt sudden and jarring. We also unfortunately couldnt see more of the fallout of Martha bondsbip cause of Doomsday. All we know is that Bats might become the Batman we all want in future films and perhaps Supes now that hes out of his mopey phase.
 
It's funny, as the major fight was about to happen I couldn't help but think about BvS. And when the movie ended I felt satisfied with the fight scenes, they felt substantial, powerful and weren't overhyped. BvS fell flat on its face compared to what Civil War was able to do with ten superheroes
 
BlueTsunami said:
It's funny, as the major fight was about to happen I couldn't help but think about BvS. And when the movie ended I felt satisfied with the fight scenes, they felt substantial, powerful and weren't overhyped. BvS fell flat on its face compared to what Civil War was able to do with ten superheroes
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The action and fight scenes were twice as exciting and visually pleasing to me, also more unpredictable. Come on the airport scene wasn't overhyped then? Captain America also has this problem that so many in the movie are way more interesting, powerful and charismatic than him, a 95 year old virgin in a corny costume with a corny name is just not that cool to me and like Iron Man put it
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. I like Cap, but he is my least favorite avenger by a country mile. Batman also has the power issue in BvS, but with the only other main character, the reactions of the world made the action to me more believable.
 
_Ryo_ said:
So you make an opinion thread and get angry when the majority opinion disagree with you and call anyone who descents from your own opinion that BvS is the more enjoyable movie "haters" and "fan boys"

...okay then...
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I think the anger comes from people more or less calling him stupid, but sure. Let's go with this.
 
Corronchilejano said:
BvS made me appreciate MoS. Civil War didn't make me appreciate AoU... So I guess thats some sort of win... ?
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Lol man, I enjoyed Man of Steel so much more than BvS. I really thought I would like it too, but I came away so mixed. I mean, thinking about Doomsday really does make me angry. Like Christ, they fucked him up so bad.

The movie was just a beautiful mess, with some great moments. If it had maintained the tone it had going for it in the the first 35-45 minutes, I would have dug the hell outta of it. I loved what they were trying to do there, the themes they were trying to tackle were very interesting. Just seeing how a world acts towards such a super powerful being, the politics of it, really cool stuff. But They just didn't carry that shit all the way through the movie.

Civil War felt so much more well executed, that's it not even funny. BvS felt like a mess, just very disjointed. Maybe the director's cut will fix some things, because the theatrical cut's pacing was just all over the place.

And yeah I gotta agree with not appreciating AoU more. I appreciate AoU even less now having seen Civil War, hahaha. That movie grows weaker by the day. I honestly felt pretty cold when I came out the theater, film fell really flat with me. Liked some segments though, and Ultron was pretty cool. Just wish he didn't have fucking lips.
 
Caja 117 said:
Yup, I remember also that flying unicorn that appeared in Lex Luthor party, not that it is explicitly shown...but hey, why not?
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Very funny.

During the car chase there are a few driving cars getting a completely demolished and I believer a tanker with an unrelated civilian being blown up. So it is pretty safe to assume there is the same kind of damage as in Man of Steel, just on a lower scale. But never are people shown to explicitly die, which is the same in Man of Steel.
 
Prophet Steve said:
Very funny.

During the car chase there are a few driving cars getting a completely demolished and I believer a tanker with an unrelated civilian being blown up. So it is pretty safe to assume there is the same kind of damage as in Man of Steel, just on a lower scale. But never are people shown to explicitly die, which is the same in Man of Steel.
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I'm pretty sure the World Machine sequence explicitly showed civilians being lifted up and violently slammed back down.
 
Prophet Steve said:
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During the car chase there are a few driving cars getting a completely demolished and I believer a tanker with an unrelated civilian being blown up. So it is pretty safe to assume there is the same kind of damage as in Man of Steel, just on a lower scale. But never are people shown to explicitly die, which is the same in Man of Steel.
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There is not safe to assume anything, You dont have any evidence to back up there was any bystander hurt in this car chase, or to be precise, Any bystander around, yet you put them in this car chase, the Gas truck was a car used by the villains to block Batmans path, the truck do a full stop in the middle of a street, why would a regular truck driver do this?


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I'm pretty sure the World Machine sequence explicitly showed civilians being lifted up and violently slammed back down.
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Yeah, the big difference between them is that MoS took place during working hours, while Batman chase was done in late hours were most of the people are not on the streets.
 
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