I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Well said. Exactly my take on it too.
Tobey was supposed to be in a cameo but Avi Arad advised against it back then for Incredible Hulk. The issues with Edward Norton and how the Hulk has been treated has been a huge negative for Marvel. Never enjoyed Ruffalo as Banner as much as Edward Norton for some reason.
Tony was in a cameo for Incredible Hulk as well. At the end he goes upto Ross in a bar etc.
Finally saw CW and I failed to see the stakes of the movie and the leap in narrative..by the end the whole movie was pointless, Rhodes just got a little hurt..Big deal.
And the only characters with any viable motivations or common sense at all where the bad guy, black panther, even though he started really badly, and vision on the fact that he is a machine.
All the others are so out of characters and their motivations are the most ridiculous thing. Thumb up to spider-man, ant-man for being absolutely useless and having no reason at all to be there.
Outside of bucky, cap, and iron-man all the rest are just useless and just there for the sake of creating "teams".
But even then, cap and Iron man are ridiculously flat and ridiculous in their motivations.
Also, the whole "status" of super heroes just fall flat as we have no idea what the actual population of the world think. Our only reference are a bad guy, a sad mother, a bad guy and a useless government guy, the whole movie completely pass over that fact, we are just told that some governments are angry against them...
Still, it's a Marvel movie, good action, some fun, and black panther is totally awesome.
And the only characters with any viable motivations or common sense at all where the bad guy, black panther, even though he started really badly, and vision on the fact that he is a machine.
All the others are so out of characters and their motivations are the most ridiculous thing. Thumb up to spider-man, ant-man for being absolutely useless and having no reason at all to be there.
Outside of bucky, cap, and iron-man all the rest are just useless and just there for the sake of creating "teams".
But even then, cap and Iron man are ridiculously flat and ridiculous in their motivations.
Also, the whole "status" of super heroes just fall flat as we have no idea what the actual population of the world think. Our only reference are a bad guy, a sad mother, a bad guy and a useless government guy, the whole movie completely pass over that fact, we are just told that some governments are angry against them...
Still, it's a Marvel movie, good action, some fun, and black panther is totally awesome.
Exactly how I feel... Civil War is better constructed but like you said, those highs in BvS had me liking it more than Civil War.
Also, that intro (no not the Metropolis one the one before that) to BvS with that score, punch to the gut. From the score, imagery, speech, and the cinematography.
Both of these movies are going to be very different compared to previous DC/Marvel movies. As long as they execute well, we will probably get two really different, but good, films.
tearsofash
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Both films were kinda boring. Hopefully they'll pick back up with Suicide Squad and Doctor Strange.
Saw Civil War today and really enjoyed it. I knew I would but was really happy that I did. However both my sister and I came out of it, having really enjoyed it a lot, enjoying Batman v Superman more. She's the one that brought it up to me as we were heading to the car. I had the impression that she might have ended up liking Civil War more until she said that. There was nothing wrong with Civil War. It didn't fail or disappointed anywhere. Batman v Superman just satisfied us that much more though.
For me personally I don't need or even want to see Civil War again. Not at this moment. I think I'm okay until I get the blu-ray. When I came out of Batman v Superman I wanted to see it again and did two more times very quickly. I want to see it again before it fully leaves theaters since there is still no date on the Ultimate Edition. Civil War has not done that for me even though I enjoyed it a lot and laughed out loud more times then I did with BvS.
If I have to picked the wording it's this in regards to where I stand.. I really liked and enjoyed Civil War. I might have to see it again to know where I'd rank it in regard to other MCU films but it's near the top. I loved Batman v Superman though.
For me personally I don't need or even want to see Civil War again. Not at this moment. I think I'm okay until I get the blu-ray. When I came out of Batman v Superman I wanted to see it again and did two more times very quickly. I want to see it again before it fully leaves theaters since there is still no date on the Ultimate Edition. Civil War has not done that for me even though I enjoyed it a lot and laughed out loud more times then I did with BvS.
If I have to picked the wording it's this in regards to where I stand.. I really liked and enjoyed Civil War. I might have to see it again to know where I'd rank it in regard to other MCU films but it's near the top. I loved Batman v Superman though.
tearsofash
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nvm. misread
The movie was pointless.. Because a character didn't die?
Talk about missing the point.
Yeezus H. Christ
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This doesn't actually happen. Plenty of people have said they liked BvS with no one calling them out for it.
Now, what does get called out is if you liked BvS, but then go on to resort to some passive-aggressive shitposting with the following key phrases: "I don't think people understood it", or "People only didn't like it because it was joyless", or "It's just cool to hate this movie."
No but by the end, the relationship between all the superheroes went back to what it was before the event happen, and I can't say how superheroes will be treated by the governments or the people from then on as theywere barely involved and mostly non existant in CW.
Even Rhodes little speech about how he think they should be controlled didn't seem to change anyone's mind.
Subpar Spatula
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Yeah... in the BvS thread no one was called out for liking BvS or for saying things they liked about the movie.
I'm not gonna bother with spoiler tags here. I don't think this is the thread to talk about it, but I disagree. Things have changed. What's happening mid credits is a sure enough sign that things aren't back to the way they were.
Yeezus H. Christ
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They weren't. You just actually read the posts instead of skimming over them.
This persecution complex perpetuated by DC fans with no attempt to examine their own behavior is pretty hilarious.
Discotheque
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Batman v Superman's plot interested me a lot more than this in the first half no doubt. And it certainly had better music too
But civil war has so many fun action scenes spread throughout the movie whereas in BvS outside of the metropolis opening sequence I only cared for the batman warehouse fight. Didn't enjoy batman fighting superman as much as I thought I would. And don't get me started on the last action sequence. Outside of wonder woman popping up that sucked too
Although civil war came out the better movie tonally I think even that felt too damn long as well though tbh. Both could have stood to be 2 hours or at least not made those 2 and a half feel like forever. Civil War has its problems but is my favorite marvel movie since iron man because it gets every single action scene right imo and I love spiderman and the climax between Tony and Rogers.
But civil war has so many fun action scenes spread throughout the movie whereas in BvS outside of the metropolis opening sequence I only cared for the batman warehouse fight. Didn't enjoy batman fighting superman as much as I thought I would. And don't get me started on the last action sequence. Outside of wonder woman popping up that sucked too
Although civil war came out the better movie tonally I think even that felt too damn long as well though tbh. Both could have stood to be 2 hours or at least not made those 2 and a half feel like forever. Civil War has its problems but is my favorite marvel movie since iron man because it gets every single action scene right imo and I love spiderman and the climax between Tony and Rogers.
CountAntonius
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I didnt hate BvS but it has absolutely nothing on Civil War.
Wat.
That's just wrong.
This is like when people said nothing changed at the end of AoU. What a load of crap.
Subpar Spatula
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You're playing the persecution complex card. I see what you're really after here.
grapes?
I think the bolded might have been an issue for some people but I'm not sure who can really be faulted on this if it disappointed. It's a mix of presenting a fight that matches the level of the phrase Batman v or vs Superman, while making it actually seem plausible that doesn't insult either character, and the expectations that gets raised in the heads of people. That last one is outside of anyone's control I feel, even the person who's head expectations run wild in. Yet I think that is the strongest part that plays a role in things like this.
As someone who openly enjoyed BvS I have been asked plenty of times to defend my opinion. I have never once been asked to defend why I liked Civil War. Not once.
I've seen BvS multiple times by choice and enjoyed it. I'm convinced the hate towards that movie is a result of Internet trolling and it being the 'cool' thing to do. It never deserved a 30% RT rating and you nerds behind your keyboards know that. Yes there are pacing issues with the story, yes Eisenberg is a questionable cast for Luthor. The way Snyder tells his stories is different than most directors, the plot isn't laid out infront of you scene after scene, its his style and doesn't bother me.
It tries to do too much in 2.5 hours, but hell its a multi-million dollar production and sometimes things don't come out perfectly. Go direct a movie before you unfairly bash one to hell.
It tries to do too much in 2.5 hours, but hell its a multi-million dollar production and sometimes things don't come out perfectly. Go direct a movie before you unfairly bash one to hell.
I can't believe I'm asked to explain my love for a critically panned work more than I'm asked to explain my love for a critically revered one. What gives
This would be a valid argument if I was a professional critic. I'm not so it's not.
You're not a critic, true, but one shouldn't be surprised when your opinion is questioned more when supporting something that is largely considered bad versus something that is considered good. Unless this is just your first time dabbling in contrarianism.
This has got to be one of the all time dumbest argument used to try to disprove an opinion. I don't have to direct a movie to know that bat v supes was a piece of shit film just like I dont have to be a video game programmer to dislike superman 64. The work speaks for itself.
Yeezus H. Christ
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I'm not playing anything but trying to call out the nonsense BvS supporters have been perpetuating since day one when the film was critically panned.
When someone who enjoys certain aspects of a film that's received mixed reception is questioned on said aspects by another who disliked the film, this isn't noteworthy. It's called discussion.
But I laugh at the notion that people are questioned just for saying they like BvS generally. That is just stupendously false.
Zen_Arcade
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"I admit that this movie has a bunch of problems, but you guys shouldnt point them out until you go make a movie yourselves."
It's not but that doesn't make it less silly or discount the aggressive frequency. I didn't like TDKR at all. I got asked a few times why that was but no one ever told me my taste in movies was awful. I think IM3 is the worst movie in the MCU and people have said they've disagreed or asked me why but again I was never insulted for that opinion. Only with BvS have I been personally insulted for saying I enjoyed it on top of continuously being asked to explain why.
I don't invite the attacks either. Anyone who has spent anytime conversing with me can attest that I am quite civil and don't fling insults. I also have never once tore down one thing in order to prop another thing up.
I find the reactions from those who didn't like BvS against those who did to be way more aggressive than what you would normally see for an unpopular opinion. The other example being The Force Awakens from what I've seen.
Maybe he's Zack Snyder.
Give me 1/4th the budget of BvS and I'll give you a better movie.
Dash_Riprock
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So much salt in this post.
Movies don't drop 69% in their second week due to "internet trolling." It amazes me how defenders of this film just cannot accept that its not just "nerds behind your keyboards" that had a problem with this film. General audiences did not like BvS. If they did, it would be well over a billion right now. WoM by casual (aka anyone not on Neogaf) viewers is what destroyed this film, not any sort of organized online Anti-DC trolling effort.
Hmm...
OP...
Now, no where did he make some passive-aggressive statement about Civil War. Nor did he say Civil War was bad.
Here are some replies...
Is this some sort of tag fishing thread?
Oh look, here's you...
All he asked was for was some discussion and you implied he was a troll.
This is all on the first page. One of the big discussions in this thread was talking about the OP being defensive because people started insulting him for his opinion. But no, stupendously false.
Glass Rebel
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The way RT scores are calculated it's actually exactly what it deserves.
Dash_Riprock
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Daddy hit him as a kid, or something.
Which caused him to be a misotheist, which triggers him when he sees all the newspapers talking about Supes as if he's a God.
I wonder what would have happened if Superman just came down and said "Hey, look, you're all really nice and all, but I'm not a god. Like, seriously, I grew up in Kansas and while I have powers, that doesn't make me a god."
roflwaffles
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That would require Supes to talk.
Dash_Riprock
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Supes in this continuity seems to get off being treated as a god. Just look at his face in BvS when he's surrounded by all those people laying their hands on him. Dude looks ready to jizz himself.
I think it was more about feeling powerless in the face of Superman's existence. Luthor likes to feel powerful, hence the jolly rancher scene, the piss jar or even the domination of Superman on the helipad.
His motivations have a lot in common with Bruce's. It would have been cool if they commented on the similarities between the two a bit more.
Yeezus H. Christ
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People started calling him out for thinking BvS is better than Civil War, not for just liking the film overall, lmao. There's a tremendous difference.
Context. If you say you like Phantom Menace, no one will bother you. If you say Phantom Menace is better than ESB, yes, people will call you out on it. There's a huge difference that I can't for the life of me understand why you can't see.
When something is universally disliked and you're the only one that likes it, of course people are gonna be curious as to why you liked it. It's human nature. Unless people were just light heartedly jabbing you, personal insults do suck though.
unholyrevenger72
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Don't forget it's shining moment, Hulk only defeats the Abomination because the Abomination get's his foot stuck in the ground.
Holundrian
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I just rewatched Thor 2 for the first time. That movie isn't actually that awful. It gets carried pretty hard by the Thor/Loki dynamic but that stuff makes it worthwhile.
Chris Stuckmann, is that you?
Natalie, Kat, and her sidekick are all abysmal, but aside from them, Thor 2 is fine. The final battle was neat.
Vermillion
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BvS is alright. I'm not super-comfortable with the idea of a Batman that murders and brands criminals, nor am I comfortable with a Superman that doesn't seem to give a shit about collateral damage... But getting over that, the movie is okay. I liked Man of Steel more (despite suffering the same Superman problem).
But I like Civil War waayyyyyyy more. It gets the characterization of its heroes so very correct, and that goes a long way for me. The action sequences are also significantly more memorable and fun, and every character gets a good amount of time to shine. It makes me excited for Avengers 3 and 4 (since Age of Ultron seemed a little cramped), while BvS being so rushed and cramped makes me less than optimistic about Justice League.
But I like Civil War waayyyyyyy more. It gets the characterization of its heroes so very correct, and that goes a long way for me. The action sequences are also significantly more memorable and fun, and every character gets a good amount of time to shine. It makes me excited for Avengers 3 and 4 (since Age of Ultron seemed a little cramped), while BvS being so rushed and cramped makes me less than optimistic about Justice League.
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