mcz117chief
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Only once did I buy one such game and that was Shogun 2, I played it like mad during the first weeks and without any issues. It was a fluke though, because no other modern game from Creative Assembly released in a working state.
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Only once did I buy one such game and that was Shogun 2, I played it like mad during the first weeks and without any issues. It was a fluke though, because no other modern game from Creative Assembly released in a working state.
I haven't been to IGN in a decade, I'll check the review out after I've played the game enough to see if I agree.
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Baron von Loathsome
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Is it just the domination and conquest victories? Yeah, that's pretty lame.
I think the difference was their Heroes of the Storm review was literal gibberish. The 'no comebacks' comment in particular implied the reviewer hadn't actually played the game, given that late game comebacks are one of HotS biggest differences to other MOBAs. Whereas this review is well argued and thought.m out, and the issues he raises have been mentioned by others as well. Clearly they had a greater impact on his enjoyment of the game than they did other reviewers.
I'm still hyped for the game and leaving work early to play, but let's be honest - it's a paradox grand strategy game. It's going to have bugs, balance issues and other stuff that needs fixing. Price you pay for such amazing games.
HundredEyeMonk
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I am going in blind as much as possible, but I do have a quick question.
Are the various civilizations randomized each game? One thing that annoyed me about Gal Civ games was for instance, the Drengin Empire. They are the stereotypical warlords who like to float around space fucking shit up.
In one game, will there be a Mushroom like race that has a random name, government, ethos, etc.... and in the next game it may have a similar portrait- but completely different name, government, ethos, etc? Could both exist in the same game?
I want to see a randomized combination of names, portraits, etc etc each game.
Are the various civilizations randomized each game? One thing that annoyed me about Gal Civ games was for instance, the Drengin Empire. They are the stereotypical warlords who like to float around space fucking shit up.
In one game, will there be a Mushroom like race that has a random name, government, ethos, etc.... and in the next game it may have a similar portrait- but completely different name, government, ethos, etc? Could both exist in the same game?
I want to see a randomized combination of names, portraits, etc etc each game.
More_Badass
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See, I would have expected the niche audience to be bit more mature regarding reviews.
Read the review first before making dismissive uninformed comments
Eh, knowing Paradox most players will stop before reaching the victory conditions anyway.
Poodlestrike
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IIRC, you unlock additional victory conditions later in the game as you research certain techs them.
mcz117chief
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So just because I don't like, say, Half-Life 2 I should give it a score of 3/10? I can see that the game looks great, plays great, has good physics engine but I didn't enjoy it for some reason so I will just run it through mud. That isn't a good review to be honest. I would rather say that the game is objectively good and give it 9/10 but at the very end I would say that I personally didn't enjoy the game and it didn't rub me the right way, because reasons. That is how I would do reviews if I ever did them.
Yeah, they are.
TheMan
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I'm not dismissing the game as crap or saying that I'm completely disinterested. I'm simply saying that I'm going to wait a bit before putting down 40 bucks, especially since some big games are coming out this week. I think that's reasonable.
Baron von Loathsome
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Oh, good. Thank you.
Yes. You should give Half-Life 2 a 3/10 because that's more important to the majority of players than perceived objectivity. I care about how someone liked the game, not how hard someone worked on it. That's my role as a consumer--to enjoy the product, not to pick it's component pieces apart.
But getting into objective reviews are always silly because--hey, that's a subjective viewpoint to begin with!
Also not the thread for it. Glad to hear that civilizations are randomized--makes more playthroughs more exciting. I haven't played a 4X since Crusader Kings II, so I'm gonna be rusty as hell and fail a million times.
I agree, XCOM 2 isn't a perfect game either and definetly needs some balance patches etc.
Same was for civ5.. I think they left too much for patches/expansions.
I look forward to playing Stellaris today though, and more in the future as PDS will support the game pretty well from what i've heard.
Thorwaldsson
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I'm leaving work, going, home, ordering pizza, and hopefully the game will be released by then. Shame really, I wanted to order pizza from the ingame browser.
Sickboy007
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They're all randomized but if you prefer you can save presets as well.
mcz117chief
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Hmm, all right then, thanks
More_Badass
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A review isn't an technical assessment of the game, it's not a popularity contest. It's that person's opinion of the game, what they felt about it. Doesn't matter if it's the most gorgeous, most well-crafted game ever. If they didn't enjoy it, if they felt the flaws overshadowed the good, it's what they think.
We're just commenting that probably IGN's reviewer wasn't a fan of the genre, which is okay.
So current review outlook is "10/10 for fans, 6/10 for newcomers", which is really Paradox Central anyway.
HundredEyeMonk
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Perfect.
That Explorminate review is a good read without giving too much away.
EDIT: To clarify as well, it seems like some of the things they didn't like are things I may appreciate. I am not an uber control freak and need to micromanage everything. That seems to be a collective thing they didn't like about some features.
mcz117chief
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The IGN reviewer is a fan of grand strategy games though, and not a newcomer.
piratepwnsninja
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But it's the same guy that reviewed EU4 and rated it highly. Luckily his issues are definitely addressable ones, and are also ones that won't bother me for awhile.
Edit: Also, GMG, give me my keys!
But that's not true I think. Kaiser is a huge strategy game player and has sunk hundreds of hours into Paradox's other titles.
HundredEyeMonk
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Except the IGN reviewer plays EU4 and and reviewed it pretty well.
Man, the fact that you don't get a notification of a war ending somewhere and how it was resolved is going to annoy me to no end. In EU4 I have it set to give me a pop-up of any peace being concluded anywhere between anyone so I know what's going on, I'd like that in Stellaris as well.
But that boils down to - Why do reviews exist? are they simply a mouthpiece to certain people's opinions? I don't believe they should be. At the end of the day they should help people decide what to buy, as well as discuss and dissect the game in the form of critique. It's not just about what YOU like, but an argument in which you boil your experience into something that has mass significance.
As for the IGN review, I skimmed it, but it does seem to be rather well argued, so I don't see the problem with it. It's just weird how far away it is from other reviews popping up.
mcz117chief
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Weird that it isn't there. That is a pretty basic function in pretty much every Grand strategy game (Total War, Civilization, etc.)
I am sorry for starting the "lol reviewer dosn't get it" discussion. At least I should have written a bit more in my post.
As for his main point of a dragging mid game, I will see later today or tomorrow, depending on how long I will play today and make my own picture about that. Same goes for the empire fleet A.I.
As for his main point of a dragging mid game, I will see later today or tomorrow, depending on how long I will play today and make my own picture about that. Same goes for the empire fleet A.I.
There's no big pop-up menu notification thing?
Apparently you can't adjust notifications :/
I think the issue here is that while the complaints are or might be valid, 6.3 as a score seems to be very severe. Especially for IGN's reputation. And I think it will prove counter-productive even for the review itself,as the discussion becomes much more radical with this kind of score. But it will bring clicks, so win some lose some.
Nevertheless, he's fully entitled to his opinion.
Nevertheless, he's fully entitled to his opinion.
What? Not in any way at all?
Nooooo! That's so important to these games! I need the ability to change that. I hope there's a way to mod that in or something.
Well, you can turn them off according to the 3MA podcast, but that's apparently it. Most of the time though, I want to turn more stuff on in addition to Paradox's (rather poor) basic selection of notification preferences than I want to turn stuff off :/
For a non-triple AAA release review, clicks are the only thing that matters to upstairs.
Impulsor
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I won't even have an opinion regardign reviews until I play the game myself. Once I have enough playtime then I'll be able to go ahead and say: "Hey, the IGN review is completely worng!" or " I agree with these points and disagree with these others of the IGN review"
You can basicly swap out IGN for any other site you want.
You can basicly swap out IGN for any other site you want.
Sickboy007
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This and no map modes at launch are really surprising.
Octavianus
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Poor Mercedes Romero ;_;
Yeah, that's my other worry. I think in general the thing that will annoy me the most will be simply a lack of easy access to the information I want. That said, won't know for sure until I play.
SolicitorPirate
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Man, a whole bunch of you really can't handle the fact the game got a couple mediocre reviews, can you?
Cutting map modes makes some sense. And I'm sure it'll be implemented in the inevitable trade focused expansion.
Can we stop with this shit?
Are you new to the gaming industry lol
Gamers are all about trashing a reviewer who played a game they haven't played.
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