Succinct Verbosity
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Just got back from my second viewing of civil war and I have to say I feel the same way. Civil War is definitely the better film, but something about Batman v Superman just feels more memorable.
I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Just got back from my second viewing of civil war and I have to say I feel the same way. Civil War is definitely the better film, but something about Batman v Superman just feels more memorable.
I still don't understand how people can say that Iron Man 3, Winter Soldier, and Guardians of the Galaxy had the same feel.
Iron Man 3 and Winter Soldier did. Forgot about GotG.
DarkJediKnight
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Batman Superman sucks because it took the single most emotional moment in comic book history and reduced it to basically nothing.
Heck wonder woman was kicking doomsday's ass while smirking.
Heck wonder woman was kicking doomsday's ass while smirking.
Discotheque
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That was emotional? I'd wipe my butt with the death of superman comic but then I gotta say charmin has more worth than that as well
DarkJediKnight
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Batman Superman sucks because it took the single most emotional moment in comic book history and reduced it to basically nothing.
Heck wonder woman was kicking doomsday's ass while smirking.
In this day and age of social media, batman superman is the perfect example of what happens when you craft a boring pos movie that no one wants to watch. It's titanic drop off is a bigger story than the doomsday fight.
Heck wonder woman was kicking doomsday's ass while smirking.
In this day and age of social media, batman superman is the perfect example of what happens when you craft a boring pos movie that no one wants to watch. It's titanic drop off is a bigger story than the doomsday fight.
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How does IM3 and Winter Soldier have the same feel lmao
One distinctly feels like a Shane Black buddy-cop film
Another has a tense atmosphere akin to a spy thriller the whole time, it's distinctly more serious
God, I fucking hate 'symbolic' storytelling.
Your text isn't any richer for having referenced another text.
Especially since this most of it is just drawing broad stroke, surface similarities that can actually connect with anything. Literally anyone can do that.
Look at how 'deep' pokemon suddenly gets when you decide to project lame psychological concepts onto ash.
http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Ash's_Coma
They're basically doing the same thing.
the way it comes off honestly sounds like praise to me, once you really get down to what people actually mean when they say it.
forgive this comparison but it reminds me of when people say that all beatles music sounds the same. it literally doesn't but when you hear a beatles song you know it's a beatles song regardless of what it's doing musically, how complex it is, what key it's in, how many keys it's in, what genre it borrows from, the instrumentation, what the lyrical content is about, etc. etc. etc.
basically marvel can make movies as varied as winter soldier, guardians, and iron man 3 and you'll know that every one of those movies is a marvel movie. there's a consistent vision behind everything they do and you either like it or don't I guess. gotta respect it though.
for me? these marvel movies are the comic book movies I've been waiting for my whole life pretty much, regardless of which individual films I like or dislike.
The Strokes
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I would say that Civil War is objectively better, but I wouldn't judge you from liking BvS more.
Civil War feels different than the other MCU movies but it just isn't the second coming of Christ I was reading in reviews. Hell, it even shares a major complaint people had with BvS which was how Lex Luthor ridiculous plan to get Batman and Superman to fight again each other; in Civil War Zemo's plan is just as ridiculous. Then we have things like a shoehorned Spider-Man (which people talked about as being the best Spider-Man Ever which is just a ridiculous statement after you watch the movie) and a movie that really gets started until the fighting sequence at the airport. And then an abrupt ending in the climax of the story.
All I'm trying to say, it's okay if you liked BvS better. BvS is not the piece of shit people in the Internet want you to believe it is nor is Civil War the best movie of all time Ever and nothing can top it.
Civil War feels different than the other MCU movies but it just isn't the second coming of Christ I was reading in reviews. Hell, it even shares a major complaint people had with BvS which was how Lex Luthor ridiculous plan to get Batman and Superman to fight again each other; in Civil War Zemo's plan is just as ridiculous. Then we have things like a shoehorned Spider-Man (which people talked about as being the best Spider-Man Ever which is just a ridiculous statement after you watch the movie) and a movie that really gets started until the fighting sequence at the airport. And then an abrupt ending in the climax of the story.
All I'm trying to say, it's okay if you liked BvS better. BvS is not the piece of shit people in the Internet want you to believe it is nor is Civil War the best movie of all time Ever and nothing can top it.
MisterHero
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Excalibur probably has plot/visual similarities to BvS, but juxtaposing the posters of Zorro and a movie about the Knights of the Round Table has a pretty simple use. It represents two futures: Batman by himself, and a group of heroes aka the Justice League.
Bruce gets to see Zorro, but the murder of his parents closes him off to the other future.
I love this little story.
And it was glorious!!
All three Iron Man movies were different.
All three Captain America movies were different.
Both Thor movies were different.
Ant-Man was different.
Guardians was different.
The only movies exactly the same were the two Avengers movies.
Disney has constantly surprised me with the chances they take on their big franchises, IM especially. Heck, handing over the reigns to Shane Black? That's bold.
The Incredible Hulk is my favorite though.
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It says a lot about Snyder's BvS that it would make Lois throw the fucking spear in the lake and get it back with no semblance of logic within the movie just to have a comparison to a better movie and a better story.
They also forgot the obvious Longinus parallels. If they didn't skip that one class on intertextuality in their English 101 course they wouldn't have missed it.
They also forgot the obvious Longinus parallels. If they didn't skip that one class on intertextuality in their English 101 course they wouldn't have missed it.
This is very cool. I wouldn't say "lol 4chan" we know that Terrio based his story on classical literature. Based Terrio.
oh I agree. Deffo some of it is intentional.
Which makes me exceedingly excited about Justice League. That is, if Snyder doesn't botch the script again.
I'll say til the day I die that the plot and setup of BvS is perfectly good, it's the execution what brought it down.
unholyrevenger72
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Nah, Marvel has 2 formulas, it's origin story formula, which every origin story movie has followed, and it's ensemble formula which all of the non-origin stories follow.
Glass Rebel
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Scraping the floor under the bottom of the barrel for shit.
MisterHero
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She thought she didn't need the weapon anymore.
Superman Returns already had the Longinus parallel. That said they should think about doing a "Hitler finding Longinus" movie that makes him impervious to superheroes.
It could be a Justice Society movie!
Then you still end up with Hulk, IM3, Guardians and Thor 2 as their own, individual formulas.
For real. They made a big deal of Capt and Stark bringing in these B-characters to
help/stop Capt and Bucky from going to Russia,
and Capt and Bucky go to Russia alone, everyone else gets locked up for the rest of the movie or goes back home.
IndoAssassin
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All the X-men movies except X3 and Wolverine Origins are better than BvS.
If Civil War is worse, wow what a shit movie it must have be.
If Civil War is worse, wow what a shit movie it must have be.
All those X-Men movies you mentioned are all fantastic in their own right, as good as the top tier MCU films.
On that note, I'll add the first two Spidey films in the Raimi trilogy. Because those are also fantastic.
MisterHero
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Fair enough. If I wanted to dig in too, I'd throw in the part where Supes resurrects and casually enters the conversation about the spear.
I don't think they are deep, but IMHO it shows Snyder can tell stories in way less time than he's criticized for.
IndoAssassin
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The first X-men is just barely better than BvS. The only saving grace of that film is the 3 main actors.
The Strokes
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Yeah. There are sequences of the movie which don't make a lot of the sense when looked at individually (Spidey being in the movie, the spoiler that you mention). And hey, fan-service is great and Marvel really are the best when it comes to it, but I dare anyone to watch the movie a second time and don't see it as shoehorned and maybe a little cringe-worthy.
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I don't think knowing he has a mum, change any of my point.
benjipwns
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Dude, they don't even seem to let them exist in the comics anymore.
Stop hurting me with your thoughts.
Can Johnny Sorrow be in your movie? And a schizophrenic Starman?
Though I loved Civil War as much as BvS, i agree with the folks here saying it was more memorable. I was actually a huge fan of the action in BvS and the film was more emotional for me, especially the end segment. Civil War was incredible as well - that fight scene in the airport is the best action sequence in a Marvel film I think.
True, but when he was severely proved, surely his sense of logic took a hit? That's what happens in real life too when you get very angry/provoked I believe. The fight itself was quite short (and one of my favorite sequences in a film) so in the end it was definitely doable (saving Martha) after a 5-10 minute fight sequence. I don't think at that stage Superman even imagined he'd lose to a human being. He probably never imagined he'd need to use a trump card in that fashion. Batman's anger and general arrogance in that segment barely gave Superman a chance to speak. Again though, I can totally understand why people had a problem with it, even though I didn't. Snyder should have ensured this film was edited better, it would have made a potentially big difference for many people.
True, but when he was severely proved, surely his sense of logic took a hit? That's what happens in real life too when you get very angry/provoked I believe. The fight itself was quite short (and one of my favorite sequences in a film) so in the end it was definitely doable (saving Martha) after a 5-10 minute fight sequence. I don't think at that stage Superman even imagined he'd lose to a human being. He probably never imagined he'd need to use a trump card in that fashion. Batman's anger and general arrogance in that segment barely gave Superman a chance to speak. Again though, I can totally understand why people had a problem with it, even though I didn't. Snyder should have ensured this film was edited better, it would have made a potentially big difference for many people.
The birth of Batman v. Superman's fervent cult following. It was inevitable I suppose.
Triggerhappytel
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I don't think Thor 2 was a bad film - it was bland and forgettable, but I don't think it was bad. I didn't think it was anywhere near as bad as the glorious car crash that was BvS.
gutter_trash
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Winter Solider was a great movie.
GOTG was a very good movie
Iron-Man 3 was a bad a movie
My gut reaction is that Thor 2 is better than Batman v. Superman, but I've only seen Thor 2 once, and it was a while ago, so a lot of details about it are blurry. I just remember the final fight between Thor and the head space elf being very inventive and fun, and Loki being the MVP.
trikster40
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I actually really like BvS but...
Triggerhappytel
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This makes no sense. In what way is Iron Man 3, Thor 2 or The Incredible Hulk an ensemble piece?
@abbiewastaken said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/abbiewastaken/status/725964202310012928?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Not really anything about the quality of the two movies, but does say something about how the filmmakers treated the characters.
No shit did people react to Wonder Woman given she was the ONLY character who actually seemed like she was having fun. And I guarantee you that was an ad-lib by Gal.
That's because Superman only communicated through hamfisted symbolism evidently. #SnyderdahGod
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Spider-man's supposed to be talkative tho, isn't he? Not saying that Superman is like Mad Max but I don't get the comparison or how it shows the way filmmakers treat characters, really.
It was. Snyder said so himself.
No this tells me nothing
Folks are doing this new line count thing
And then... never draw a conclusion for me
What am I to take away from this? That the character who is known for his quick wit and being chatty has more lines of dialog than someone who is more stoic?
That Zack has no faith in Superman so he doesn't speak?
Like what should be the takeaway here?
That's a plus lol
Saint Gregory
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Memorably awful. I spent the last several weeks getting caught up on what's been happening in DC for a couple decades thinking that it would give me new insight and appreciation for the DCCU and instead it's had the opposite effect and made me hate MoS and BvS more. They're bad films with bad and unlikable interpretations of characters.
They weren't trying to stop Cap and Bucky from going to Russia, they were trying to capture them and bring them to justice which they would have done had Black Widow not switched teams at the last second. Each side brought in every able body they could sway to their team so I'm not sure how any one of them were shoehorned in.
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