Of course you cant relate to me, but anyway Im not talking about any of what you are though, Im talking especifically about cinematography, movies at its core are about what we are seeing in the screen and IMO MCU movies in its majority are just plain boring to look at.
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I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Of course you cant relate to me, but anyway Im not talking about any of what you are though, Im talking especifically about cinematography, movies at its core are about what we are seeing in the screen and IMO MCU movies in its majority are just plain boring to look at.
The Winter Soldier himself said he loved BvS in a recent interviews Your argument is invalid.
Civil War is less geeky than either Avengers, has the most interior shots (read: dull) of any Marvel movie, the least effective VFX, and has less humour than any film in the franchise. It does have some sweet stunts though.
Worth a watch... But not much else.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Movies at its core are about how characters interact. I mean, I totally agree with you that most Marvel movies are boring to look at, but certain ones stand out because of the dialogue, character dynamics, action, etc. I can easily overlook its cinematography because of those factors, but different strokes.
What's great is that Dr. Strange is shaping up to be one of the prettier films of the MCU.
IndoAssassin
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Not arguing, just stating my opinion.
Otherwise I would have written an essay on why I think it.
Besides I never said I barf if someone likes the movie, I only barf when someone tries to make it a fact that it's a good movie.
I enjoyed watching BvS, but it is not a good movie. It's my guilty pleasure. I have not seen Civil War yet so if it's considered to be worse, must be a really bad film.
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"Give me back my Rhodey" made me raise my eyebrows, but what was weird for you? Genuinely curious, haha.
I liked that scene a lot. Only thing that brings it down for me is the product placement.
Im more hyped about what Black Panther brings to the table, but of course Dr. Strange trailer already has me hyped beyond belief lol, that movie does seems to bring some new and well shit I will say it, bold and unsafe way of presenting things.
Cant wait.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Firemind, use this gif to destroy those fucking marvelite losers
amg so cute <3
these actors and their powers of imagination making me squeee at legit comic-looking-feeling action scenes (once the cgi guys done their bits) ..... actually are dorky and adorbs :>
love this * ____ *
Another "smart" moment in BvS:
Lex has 3 of his main targets in the same room together at his party, and he can't contain himself.
He literally stops himself from speaking because he realizes he's monologuing. He so badly wants to show he has the best of them, but he knows if he keeps going the game is up, so he shuts up.
Lex has 3 of his main targets in the same room together at his party, and he can't contain himself.
Lex Luthor said:
He literally stops himself from speaking because he realizes he's monologuing. He so badly wants to show he has the best of them, but he knows if he keeps going the game is up, so he shuts up.
And the cast. Benedict Slumbforbstch is one talented dude; but the supporting cast is also stellar!
I think you seem to enjoy interpersonal fights of street levelers more than your high herald heroes and that's fine and dandy, but that is not how superman and Diana fight and they never should, also CGI != bad automatically.
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Well yea, hes a billionaire geek who's stunted socially. He's a weakling or David in his eyes taking on Goliath. In any other scenario, he's the good guy. But since its Superman, the guy we know is the hero, hes a bad guy.
Lex doesn't know who batman is.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Smallville fight was fine because each punch was actually felt by either combatant and it had some interesting choreography (Faora slamming Supes to the floor as he was thrown past her by her partner).
Supes vs. Zod, or Trinity vs Doomsday, were bad because it had neither interesting choreography nor weight to their hits. Bunch of superhumans playing ping pong with each other's bodies with no damage dealt until Kryptonite was brought in + constant meaningless explosion after another = extremely forgettable fight. Equivalent of Transformers battles, more or less.
CGI obviously doesn't automatically mean bad, but it can be used sparingly and well, and it sure as hell wasn't in BvS' final fight.
How does he send a letter addressed to Bruce during the court bombing?
Refresh me what was in the letter
Corronchilejano
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And has been sending them for a while. I don't even understand why Lex would even do that or mention it.
Yes he does? He specifically tells Clark that he has been pushing Bats to this point before he sends Clark to kill him.
Vision was just MIA for much of the fight which was odd. On the first viewing I literally said aloud, "Where the hell is Vision?" at least twice. Witch criticizing Hawkeye for pulling his punches was weird. Unless she thought two long time friends were actually going to pummel the shit out of each other when they had no beef in the first place. Tony could have disabled the Quinjet remotely. He's proven on several occasions in the MCU he can override systems quite easily. Giant Man was a big distraction (heh) but he wasn't actually trying to severely hurt anyone so all the concentration on him was unneeded. Again, Vision cpuld have knocked him out with one punch but all he did was bump into him for some reason. Widow letting them pass could be seen a mile away (still made me smile) but her managing to stop T'challa who earlier in the movie was clowning on Bucky, Cap and Falcon simultaneously was a helluva stretch.
The Smallville fight wasn't perfect either but I had less issues with how it played out overall. Bonus points for the brutality.
Sorry not letter buto a clear confirmation that he knows.
I took that as him blaming The Bruce Wayne for doing something about superman instead of just sending him money.
Wow, what great attention to detail!
MisterHero
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Ocarina_117
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It's in the same handwriting as the pictures sent to Clark earlier in the movie - detailing Batman's brutality.
Lex was playing the pair of them.
Yeezus H. Christ
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You should probably read the very quotes you quoted, lmao.
'Second act onwards'
Not sure if the warehouse scene was in the second act though, probably was.
I really couldnt care less because i wasnt invested in super government coverup of massive weapon with laser beams to target babies, Bat/Sup moral tangling seemed far more interesting to me.
Initially, then the luster wears off. Pummelling people with little consequence gets boring. Cap/Panther running faster then cars on a dual carriageway but take 10 minutes to run to a hanger less then a mile away? There's so much of this that its just not worth thinking about the story. Its nonsense imo.
Yeezus H. Christ
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That stuff bothers you? Cap was kind of held up by Panther and the others trying to take him down, if you didn't notice. He hardly had 10 minutes, in fact if I remember correctly, Cap and Bucky start sprinting to the hangar once Spidey goes off to take down Giant-Man. Vision almost stops them with his laser, slowing down their progress.
Was hardly ten minutes, maybe two minutes, actually, with obstacles.
We know this isn't true because Batman kills people in this film. Which I'm betting is why WB was afraid fans "wouldn't get it."
So what's happening this season in Agents of Shield? Business as usual? I don't watch the show,
but I plan to one day
Why do I feel like you made up your mind long ago, as in well before you saw any of these films?
Winter Soldier was great, but being "bold" is not something I'd add into its strengths lol.
X-men Days of Future past killing 90% of the cast was bold. Having Batman transcend to villain territory is bold. Having an r-rated comic movie like Watchmen, Kick-Ass, or Deadpool... is bold.
In fact; everything is gumdrops and lollipops at the end of Winter Soldier. If they had balls, my boy Sam Jackson would have stayed dead... Or at the very least, saved his grand reveal for AoU.
The same exact thing can be said for Batman v Superman. Remember the casting threads? The Jimmy Kimmel trailer thread? In fact, I remember a lot of film bloggers hating on the film once it was announced.
X-men Days of Future past killing 90% of the cast was bold. Having Batman transcend to villain territory is bold. Having an r-rated comic movie like Watchmen, Kick-Ass, or Deadpool... is bold.
In fact; everything is gumdrops and lollipops at the end of Winter Soldier. If they had balls, my boy Sam Jackson would have stayed dead... Or at the very least, saved his grand reveal for AoU.
The same exact thing can be said for Batman v Superman. Remember the casting threads? The Jimmy Kimmel trailer thread? In fact, I remember a lot of film bloggers hating on the film once it was announced.
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i still donno if i'd call that 'smart' writing, though... or maybe the delivery is just bad? no no... i cant. i really like bvs, but that bit was not a part that i liked.
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i do like how mythological bvs was, and supes and ww delivered for me, but lex was not a solid performance :<
Is he wrong though? The movie pretty much reset to after AoU, with Cap and his crew, and tony working with whatever agency. The only thing different is cap needs a new shield and him and Tony are probably gonna skip a few work outings before hanging out together again. Because at the end of the day, Cap was right gosh darnit.
You're not the first person to bring up their dislike for that scene; but I like it. A lot. If you read into what he's muttering, Lex actually states his conundrum with Superman. I also thought it was one of the few scenes with levity; we literally have a reverse angle on the audience who are raising brows, rolling eyes, and shaking heads. It says so much about the character, about this interpretation of Luthor, and I was sold.
I don't know how SHIELD = Hydra is bolder in the MCU than the death of Superman in the DCEU. The fall of SHIELD didn't appear to mount to much. We were given political repercussions but that didn't come off as more than a conversation. Widow told the government to fuck off aaaaaaand they just kept right on doing what they were doing. Nothing happened to them until Sokovia got blown to hell and even after CW
SHIELD falling would be bolder if it had a bigger impact but as of now it doesn't mean much more than the dirt rising on Clark's coffin. Everything went on as is except Tony funded everything.
we have no idea what the Sokovia Accords amounted to. We know some of them signed it but now what? Was Cap right about its use? Was Tony? They leave that up to the audience for now but they are going to have to definitively say at some point when the remaining Avengers are sent on tasks. Hell, Tony pushes the SA hard as hell but says fuck it and betrays Ross so he can help Cap. What was the point of all that fighting if Tony just does what he wants anyway?
SHIELD falling would be bolder if it had a bigger impact but as of now it doesn't mean much more than the dirt rising on Clark's coffin. Everything went on as is except Tony funded everything.
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Is this a reference to something?
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yeah, for me, it was tonally awkward
the rest of the movie is like.... woooahh epic! and mythological! and grandeur! but that scene was awk and tonally jarring ... i was cringeeeeeeeee
like, i like lex's scene with that angel/demon painting more, because it was tonally aligned with the movie. it had pomp and gothic drama, but that party speech was just off for me .___.
i understood his plights and character and what he was aiming at, but the scene itself was not a good scene. but it's cool that it worked for you, though ! i can jam with that~
Zen_Arcade
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You say that like Superman had some kind of consistent fighting style between BvS and Man Of Steel, which he doesn't. For superhero movies, it's relatively detailed. Especially when they were juggling over half a dozen hand to hand combat characters.
Are you trying to prove the point where I said he said that it has both good and bad action scenes? By and large I think BvS had mediocre action, but there were a couple times where I enjoyed it. Overall, I would still say the action in BvS is really dull. His only mistake is not knowing where the Batman warehouse scene was. Everything else in those quotes is perfectly consistent.
He did actually. The MoS special features highlight this point and that style continued in BvS.
Subpar Spatula
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I don't find much about Marvel movies memorable because most of it is safe but not safe at the same time. It's a lot like Call of Duty where the formula doesn't change much and you're given so much visual stimuli that you don't necessarily find it memorable because you just know the next scene is designed to up it. It's why the Cap + Bucky vs Tony fight seemed pointless and "oh they're fighting again".
Maybe because he's just a dude from Kansas, and has always - always - known when to not throw a punch. It's actually quite relative and appropriate.
MisterHero
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One of the letters says "Bruce Wayne = Blind". That's it.
Lex is taunting him.
The movie has neat symbols but is capable of its own subtexts.
Zen_Arcade
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I don't recall that at all. I don't remember them using any of the same effects from MoS in BvS.
Spider-Man is just a dude from Queens, yet he had a distinct, recognizable fighting style in Civil War.
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i think he's meaning the underneath allusion that bats are blind
therefore brucey = batsie?
maybe...
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