Yeezus H. Christ
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Are you talking about Civil War?
The only explosions I recall were Iron Man's missiles and the launcher Crossbones uses on Cap.
That amounts to like five-six seconds in total of explosions.
I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Are you talking about Civil War?
The only explosions I recall were Iron Man's missiles and the launcher Crossbones uses on Cap.
That amounts to like five-six seconds in total of explosions.
Zen_Arcade
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Also the bombing at the UN. And the one when Crossbones tries to suicide bomb. And I think some thing explodes in the airport scene.
Either way, there are only a handful and it isnt exactly action scene after action scene.
SENPAIatLARGE
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This is my favorite meme. When all chips are down, all points refuted, this is the BvS fans Final Flash, the ultimate trump card that they proudly hold above their heads, after being debated all thread. Their body is bruised by all the negative comments, they can barely stand. Using their last strength, they mutter "Its too smart for Marvel Fans" In that moment, a smile slowly breaks across their face and tears stream down their eyes as they are filled with raw elation. They have won the argument, and Snyders honor has been protected. Staring up at the sky they shout "SNYDER! It has been accomplished! As the body goes limp, they hear a faint whisper in their ear "At least its not flavor of the week..
Yes, that is my problem with 85% of the MCU movies.
Only a few has some memorable stuff on screen, I remember some in Guardians, I cant remember a single thing in Winter Soldier even if I think is the best MCU movie by far and one of the best super hero movies made, they are just not pretty or bold in the way its all presented, is just there, safe, predictable.
Batman v Superman shares a lot of similarities with Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. Both have a misunderstood character who eventually dies by his own hands. Both have a main character who questions his self-worth through killing the enemy. Both have characters who are afraid of people not their own and persecute these people. Both have antagonists who use religious tones to express themselves. It's practically a homage.
Yeezus H. Christ
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You seriously can't remember anything about Winter Soldier, Guardians, or Civil War?
I'm curious to know what makes something memorable to you. If the only factor for you is cinematography, which it seemingly is, I cannot relate to you at all. Pretty images is not the only thing that makes a scene stand out. There is humor, action choreography, emotion, character development - everything top-tier Marvel movies have and none of which BvS has.
If you can't remember SHIELD being revealed as HYDRA and being destroyed by the end of it, which is bolder than anything done in BvS, I don't think the problem is with the films.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Saw Civil War Sunday morning, and in between insane logical reaches by guilt trips, there are a bunch of fights. The last third maybe half of the movie is a fight. It's just constantly changing with different folks. Oh yea, they have to fit in those spider-man asides. I think its disingenuous to say there's not a lot, it starts with a fight, accord meeting ends in a fight, Cap breaks Buck out, guilt trips, more fighting, and so on. Not a bad thing, but to say only one is dumb explosion after the next is wrong, especially when there are multiple slow moments in BvS, and the title fight and end fight only take up like the last 30 of the last 50 minutes of a 150-minute film. And besides the knight mare, you barely see any action until then, besides when Bats chases the kryptonite and bumps into Clark. I'm also guessing most people's recollection of BvS is partly shared, as I can't image most would see the movie again after having such violent reactions to it.
Any discussion about BvS devolves into "nuh uh you'rer wrong and delusional lol DC fan," and its always "marvel fans" bringing up this fanboy mentality like the "other side" isn't trying to debate in good faith.
Yeezus H. Christ
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I think you're somehow confusing good action with dumb explosions.
The entire final fight of BvS and the Batmobile scene were dumb explosions. The fights in Civil War were good action.
Zen_Arcade
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Why? Did dumb suddenly not become a way to describe something?
Yeezus H. Christ
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I don't know, it's more the BvS supporters I can't take seriously when 'too smart for Marvel fans' is an unironic stance taken to prop up DC's latest exercise in mediocrity.
It's interesting that BvS supporters complain that people don't take them seriously when they try to 'debate in good faith'. The majority of supporters I've seen always try to throw in some excuse as to why people disliked the film - "they didn't understand it", "they were too focused on what they thought Batman/Superman should be", "they only like humorous fun and don't like variety". Debating in good faith is something that definitely is not the norm for either side.
Now you're just lying, why? And I'm not gonna argue subjective shit like "good action" when I was really annoyed with the choice of shots and use of shaky cam in Civil War, which was used way more than WS, makes that stairway fight kind of bad.
Honestly the last fight in BvS was good it was a good show of Diana and supes powers
So explosions in other movies are smart? :lol
Yeezus H. Christ
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It wasn't? I don't remember anything in their confrontation except laser beams flying around and Doomsday causing nuke-level shit.
BvS' final battle was about as memorable as Thor vs. Malekith. As to say, not at all.
Meh.
Thor vs, Malekith has the hammer flying through space trying to reach Thor. I loved that.
What do you consider the best fight in cw? Or which ones stand out to you.
Also if you can't admit BvS had some good action something's wrong.
Zen_Arcade
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The use of them can be. The explosions of Crossbones and the UN are smart ways to use explosions because they provide impact and meaning. There are some movies that use explosions so much or out of place that they end up not meaning anything. It can desensitize the viewer from what the explosions mean.
The Star Wars prequel trilogy shares a lot of similarities with Citizen Kane. Through state of the art special effects, both tell the story of a tragic figure who we follow when he is taken from his home during his early years to his self inflicted demise. Both have an important friend who helps them in life that would eventually become an enemy. Both are idealists who gain power and influence, and "battle" to exert it, yet become isolated thanks to their fears and ambition. Both eventually explode and trash a room too. It's practically a homage.
That doesn't make them smart or good tho.
Yeah. Thor vs Malekith was a nice change of pace from the rest of the movie.
So, like, the explosions in Metropolis during the Zod fight? Or in the Senate? See, I can provide examples too!
Yeezus H. Christ
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Cap/Bucky vs. Iron Man really stood out because of the emotional stakes involved, but when it came to awesome moments, the airport fight reigns above all.
Other than that, BP vs. Bucky was great, Cap/Bucky staircase fight was fantastic, I could go on.
Of course not, the warehouse fight was nice.
I just highly disagree with people trying to prop up BvS as something beyond your typical blockbuster because it's 'intelligent', when the film's bombastic, world-ending, CGI-laden third act is exemplary of the average blockbuster just as Age of Ultron was. They're no different.
Zen_Arcade
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Neither of which were during the last fight of the movie, which is what was being talked about.
The scene where Wayne is saving people from Metropolis is one of the few scenes in the movie I actually liked.
The senate? You mean the bomb in the wheelchair? Nothing came out of that other than Lex getting the senator out of the way. If that was the case, why didn't he just kill her earlier?
Yeezus H. Christ
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Apparently it was to paint Supes as the murderer.
Even though Superman's heat vision doesn't yield explosions, so there's no way he could have done that.
Two of my friends share that opinion. They had seen Civil War before me and when they told me that I just went "huh, okay then", because I knew it wasn't possible. And I was right, having watched it yesterday.
They're not MCU addicts like me nor comicbook savvy, so maybe they just preferred the big and loud CGI spectacle.
They're not MCU addicts like me nor comicbook savvy, so maybe they just preferred the big and loud CGI spectacle.
Lol You're not helping the "we got it, it's just dumb" argument.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Nobody really seems to have believed he did it, so it's a bit ambiguous.
The news immediately absolves him either way.
My prevailing theory is that it doesn't give Superman a chance to speak his mind, thus isolating him even more. But I mean, you start to wonder at that point if that is Luthor's plan or straight up Snyder's.
Bvs was surprisingly not that great when it came to action. The only really good fight scene is the Batman warehouse scene and the Wonder Woman moments in the final fight scene. Everything else was alright. Civil War definitely has the better action.
And BvS was not smart. It tried to be but came out a mess instead. All things considered, I wouldn't say BvS is an awful movie but rather the most disappointing superhero movie ever considering the potential it had. In the end, Civil War wins out with the better story, action and characters.
And BvS was not smart. It tried to be but came out a mess instead. All things considered, I wouldn't say BvS is an awful movie but rather the most disappointing superhero movie ever considering the potential it had. In the end, Civil War wins out with the better story, action and characters.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Am I wrong? What exactly was it for then other than to pin the crime on Supes?
This is where the "don't get it" comes in. It was to prove that superman, who they believe to be all powerful, allowed it to happen. Why would a guy with xray vision not stop a bomb from exploding? This goes to his whole "if he's all powerful, he can't be good." Of course we know he's not all powerful, but this is where Lex's speech about what we call our gods throughout history. Is he being vengeful and allowing his dissenters to die? There's a lot more to unpack than, explosion = superman did it, especially since they name the culprit on the news.
He specifies the last fight and batmobile chase scene while he does not for Civil War. Don't you see? He's cherry picking.
Yeezus H. Christ
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The public knows he has x-ray vision?
And if Superman hadn't been distracted, he would have picked up on it anyway. How did Lex know Supes would be mentally unfocused?
ArtHands
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Before he was lured by Lex, he has taken a break and had cleared his head. He know Bruce is a misguided vagilante, and that batman is good at his core. Superman shouldn't even think "it'll take 5 to 15 mins max to take down a random vagilante do-gooder and then save my mum". He should be trying to convince and cooperate with Batman right from the beginning, considering Batman is just a pawn. Superman can find room(s) to tell Batman to stay down during the fight means he definitely have room to use this "trump card" you been saying. but i guess like you said, we should brush all these irrational behavior and actions to the excuse of him sense of logic taking a hit then.
MisterHero
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No, it was an attempt destroy the idea that Superman and humans could work together.
TV moniters reading "Superman at the Senate LIVE" accompanying images of the Capital being blown the hell up is some disturbing imagery. It is meant to associate Superman with terrorism/disaster in the public's mind.
Zen_Arcade
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That's not cherry picking. Its called presenting examples. Youre really stretching here, especially when since then he's mentioned action scenes in the movie that he did like.
Not to mention, I can't recall a scene in Civil War that was just a bombardment of explosions like parts of the last fight scene in BvS has.
Really, guys. This was pretty easy to understand.
The Senator put her foot down against Lex by denying him the import license and basically told him she doesn't give a shit who he is. "You can piss in a jar and call it Granny's Peach Tea but I'm not going to drink it." Lex gets what he wants anyway from the other guy he fed the jolly rancher to. Plus some added benefits (access to the ship and Zod) but he can't just let Finch be an obstacle. He sets up the wheelchair bomb with Wally and puts a jar of piss on her desk at the hearing with 'Granny's Peach Tea' on it so she knows it him. This is why she looks at his unoccupied seat. The purpose of the bomb went three ways; Kill the Senator with nothing leading to Lex (which is aided by the death of his personal assistant), never allow Superman to defend his actions, and provoke Bruce by having Superman involved in another horrific tragedy in front of the world. No one ever blamed Superman for that explosion except himself (and others who, like Bruce, already didn't want Superman around).
The Senator put her foot down against Lex by denying him the import license and basically told him she doesn't give a shit who he is. "You can piss in a jar and call it Granny's Peach Tea but I'm not going to drink it." Lex gets what he wants anyway from the other guy he fed the jolly rancher to. Plus some added benefits (access to the ship and Zod) but he can't just let Finch be an obstacle. He sets up the wheelchair bomb with Wally and puts a jar of piss on her desk at the hearing with 'Granny's Peach Tea' on it so she knows it him. This is why she looks at his unoccupied seat. The purpose of the bomb went three ways; Kill the Senator with nothing leading to Lex (which is aided by the death of his personal assistant), never allow Superman to defend his actions, and provoke Bruce by having Superman involved in another horrific tragedy in front of the world. No one ever blamed Superman for that explosion except himself (and others who, like Bruce, already didn't want Superman around).
Yeezus H. Christ
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What am I cherry-picking, exactly? Don't trip over yourself in an attempt to defend this movie, lmao.
Civil War has good action. BvS has incoherent CGI explosion-filled Michael Bay-level nonsense for its final fight and Batmobile chase scene. That's all my argument had been.
That's really just pathetic. Are you so invested in the MCU then no other movies are allowed to be enjoyed?
Because like the joker, Lex's plans just work. He has Clark and Bats doing exactly what he wants. And Clark is human, so he's naturally thinking the whole thing is a chance to clear his name. The movie, like the avengers, is about a villain sewing discord among his foes to make way for his arrival.
NotoriousPUG
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Civil War has good action? You mean when Captain America throws his shield in a random direction and it bounces off 6 no names and it returns to him. The action was mindless and without consequence. BvS had far better action, except for the awful Batmobile scene.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Ah, right. Forgot about the jar of piss thing.
Nah, I think he's just talking about BvS.
I watched the movie twice so what you tried dismissing as bad action never actually happened in the film, but yes, Civil War has the greatest superhero action to date, bar none.
Airport scene is GOAT. How the Russos managed to make each Avenger stand out in the battle was nothing short of masterful.
Zen_Arcade
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That's exactly what Cap's shield is supposed to do. They even make a joke about it within the movie.
The action was hardly mindless. It was actually pretty detailed. They even made sure individual characters had fighting styles that fit their strengths.
So BvS has good action scenes. Like CW. I mean, this is a classic example of confirmation bias.
Zen_Arcade
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What are you even talking about? Are you really incapable of reading the context of what he's saying? He didnt say every action scene in BvsS was bad, he pointed out two individual action scenes and criticised them. The only way that could be confirmation bias is if you don't understand that a movie can have both a good and a bad action scene.
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