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Hi GAF, I need some advice here.
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I still love her, and I said I would give her another chance. Is it wise? Am I being stupid here? Please give me your feedback. Thanks.

Oh man, that's tough. I was never married, but I had a similar situation.

My ex was hit on by two dudes last year. I got suspicious too, and checked her phone. She never was particularly flirty, but they chatted. She even went to have ice cream with one of them.. She came clean about it right after and assured me, that she never wanted to date him, it just so happened after work. Frankly, that dude was pretty disgusting anyways.

She also told me about that second bloke, who happened to be her teacher. He hit on her pretty hard and she danced with him at a party. I happen to know, that she had sexual fantasies with him. Again, she told me she'd never want anyone other than me.

Well, she's my ex now. It might be a harmless distraction for your wife, but once those seeds are planted... This topic will always come up in the future. Imagine if there is a dude she finds really attractive. Chances are much higher she'll do something stupid.

Go see a counsellor. Those are some major red flags. There's still hope, but don't think this is just a phase or she loves you and will never do anything wrong.

Also, don't break ever off with your friends in favor of a girl. I neglected mine during our relationship, but luckily they were there for me, when the break up happened. And what a blissful experience it is to have a huge group of supportive people around you. Don't be so stupid to cancel your friends. They might also give you precious outside perspective on your problems with your wife.
 
I'd like that.

It's still a bit gross. Just ask yourself this question. Could you be a good friend to this person with no hope of possible romantic attention. Could you help them get back togeather with a boy who she was having doubts about?

For me personally I know pretty early on if I like a girl romantically or if I have no interest. Any girl you have romantic interest in its virtually impossible to be friends with. And if you are trying to Niceguy Backdoor Gambit. Make sure you are actively dating other women. Forming an emotionally codependent relationship with a girl who doesn't love you is a sure fire way to get hurt
 
So I posted this to another thread a few days ago...

Have been seeing this girl a couple times now. Yesterday we went and spent 2 hours running outside, exercising etc. We had a great time, laughed, talked, all that stuff.

She insisted that she drop me off at my place. Nothing against that. I asked if she'd like to come inside but as she's so sweaty she just wanted to go home and shower. I kissed her on the cheek and we departed. About an hour later she messaged me that she just wants to be friends.

I'm baffled. We synced really went and have been enjoying each others company. She said she'd still really like to continue seeing me as a friend. Nope'd my way out of that.

Fucking womæn.

That was it for me.

Now she contacted me yesterday evening. She was wondering if she's doing a big mistake by letting me go. We talked a bit and she's seriously interested in me and it turns out she felt we were too "friendly" because I didn't kiss her on our first date, when I saw her the first time.

I'm baffled, again. She seems like your typical shy and calm neighbourhood girl and then this. So we almost cut contact altogether just because I didn't kiss her and she'd have wanted.

This is so absurd. It's a damn shame I can't read other people's minds. I have nothing against kissing and having sex with her but geez.

Luckily it seems we're both interested in each others and she "can't wait" to kiss me.

ffs
 
So I posted this to another thread a few days ago...



That was it for me.

Now she contacted me yesterday evening. She was wondering if she's doing a big mistake by letting me go. We talked a bit and she's seriously interested in me and it turns out she felt we were too "friendly" because I didn't kiss her on our first date, when I saw her the first time.

I'm baffled, again. She seems like your typical shy and calm neighbourhood girl and then this. So we almost cut contact altogether just because I didn't kiss her and she'd have wanted.

This is so absurd. It's a damn shame I can't read other people's minds. I have nothing against kissing and having sex with her but geez.

Luckily it seems we're both interested in each others and she "can't wait" to kiss me.

ffs

That's why you should show physicality as soon as you can on the first date. If you're attracted to them, you should show that in your face, your body language, your conversation, and by touching them. If they are comfortable with you touching them, escalate it. You could have kissed her - I bet she was giving signals, or would have, had you made those moves.

Or I could be misreading the entire thing. But don't get discouraged - this is a good thing!
 
That's why you should show physicality as soon as you can on the first date. If you're attracted to them, you should show that in your face, your body language, your conversation, and by touching them. If they are comfortable with you touching them, escalate it. You could have kissed her - I bet she was giving signals, or would have, had you made those moves.

Or I could be misreading the entire thing. But don't get discouraged - this is a good thing!

Oh I know. I'd like to think I'm not unfamiliar with these things. The girl just struck me as someone who likes to take things slow and is a bit on the shy side. She didn't show much affection or anything and maybe I was a bit hesitant to just outright kiss her.

Either way, I guess everything worked out but still shit's confusing.
 
Dating is confusing. That's part of the fun, to be honest
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I had a crush on this woman I occasionally saw (and I do mean saw) at work for the longest time. Like I'm talking at least a year. The first time I saw her she really caught my eye, after that whenever I saw her (maybe once a month or so - we're nearly 1000 people here) I kept glancing at her thinking that's gotta be a cool person.

A few weeks ago I bumped into her outside and finally managed to ask her out - literally the first time I've ever asked anyone out. She agreed, we had a date a few days later (nothing special, we met at a cafe) and we kinda hit off pretty well? We share a bunch of interest while not being totally similar, and it's easy to talk with her. Been seeing her regularly since the date, spent a weekend together etc.

The one thing that's weird (or at least new) about the situation is that she's in a polygamous relationship. And I'm not talking open relationship, she's been with one guy for three years and another one for two. It's not something I've thought about myself, but I've been surprised to notice how little (as in not at all) it bothers me. I had a short thing with another woman last year who talked about wanting similar things and I didn't really feel comfortable then, but her approach to relationships as a whole was quite different so that was a bigger factor there.

Just wanted to share a sort of a success story from someone who's really bad at dating. Or maybe I'm good at dating - every time I've been on a date it's developed into something, it's just that I never date.

As for this situation I'm just gonna have to wait and see how things develop, for now I'm really enjoying hanging out with her.
 
It's still a bit gross. Just ask yourself this question. Could you be a good friend to this person with no hope of possible romantic attention. Could you help them get back togeather with a boy who she was having doubts about?

For me personally I know pretty early on if I like a girl romantically or if I have no interest. Any girl you have romantic interest in its virtually impossible to be friends with. And if you are trying to Niceguy Backdoor Gambit. Make sure you are actively dating other women. Forming an emotionally codependent relationship with a girl who doesn't love you is a sure fire way to get hurt

If this counts, I've pretty much flirted with other women I met this weekend. And to be honest, it would make me look butthurt if I stop being friends with her. I actually like hanging out with her tho.
 
I'm just in my bed today thinking about my ex all the time, and why she's with her ex-boyfriend who she told me she didn't have any feelings toward for the four years we were together. But instead of speculating, I'm also thinking of just heading to the gym and ask for a membership, just spontaneously, just do it. And yet I can't get myself to do it. Also wrote my doctor that I would like to take medicine against the depression again, as I stopped with that last month. I feel terrible.
 
People saying get counselling. What will it achieve beyond making the poster feel obliged to forgive her and take some of the responsibility for her cheating?

Seems she felt pressured into the marriage by her family and her behaviour is simply that of someone who didn't want to get married but is now stuck in that situation. Her alternatives are to either lie to the poster about how she feels (which is what she appears to be doing) or be honest, get divorced and end up back at home with her family, who weren't happy with her being there.

She's not invested in the marriage, this is the first of what will be many 'slips'. How many does the poster have to forgive before he puts himself first?
 
I kinda felt like that right now. I'm just the spare tires that will always be there for her. I have a condition with her that if any of this shit happens again then we're done for good. Maybe I'm in denial because we've just married for 3 months. But I love her still and I'm torn. I don't know I just can think straight right now.

Will you ever be able to trust her 100%? Will you ask to check her phone all the time? Will you become paranoid every time she's out late because of 'work' or 'friends'? Or are you going to carry on and pretend nothing happened? How will you deal with the seeds of doubt this incident planted?

Your answers should help you determine what you should do.
 
If this counts, I've pretty much flirted with other women I met this weekend. And to be honest, it would make me look butthurt if I stop being friends with her. I actually like hanging out with her tho.

1) what is "pretty much flirted"? Knowing you, I'm sure it isn't actual flirting 😉
2) Who cares how you look? You gotta do what you gotta do for yourself and your own feelings. If you can't just be friends with her, then you shouldn't be friends with her. Butthurtness be damned.
 
You like hanging out with her or are you hoping she might one day change her mind, fall into your arms and profess her everlasting love? Being friends with someone who rejected is fine and all, but sometimes you need to make the break for your own development or you'll forever be stuck hoping that she'll change her mind.

Take a long break from her, work on getting through those feelings you have for her and then see if you really want to be friends or if the desire of wanting to be friends is really you hoping she might one day change her mind...
 
I'm just in my bed today thinking about my ex all the time, and why she's with her ex-boyfriend who she told me she didn't have any feelings toward for the four years we were together. But instead of speculating, I'm also thinking of just heading to the gym and ask for a membership, just spontaneously, just do it. And yet I can't get myself to do it. Also wrote my doctor that I would like to take medicine against the depression again, as I stopped with that last month. I feel terrible.

You're giving too much of yourself to her still. This is time for you, especially if you're depressed to the point of medicating.

Look at this as a chance for you to find exactly what it is you need to not be depressed. This is important. You're not going to be ready for another relationship unless you do, and you never know what opportunities are going to present themselves and when.

Plus, being depressed to the point of medicating is horrible. I know it dude.
 
1) what is "pretty much flirted"? Knowing you, I'm sure it isn't actual flirting 😉
lol.

Side note: Have you check out my IG page by any chance?
You like hanging out with her or are you hoping she might one day change her mind, fall into your arms and profess her everlasting love? Being friends with someone who rejected is fine and all, but sometimes you need to make the break for your own development or you'll forever be stuck hoping that she'll change her mind.

Take a long break from her, work on getting through those feelings you have for her and then see if you really want to be friends or if the desire of wanting to be friends is really you hoping she might one day change her mind...

Well, I didn't become friends with her just to eventually hope to date her. I figured since we have a lot in common and I can relate to her, thought it might be a good idea to ask her out or something. I'm not hurt about it tho.
 
Sometimes I feel like I could use a solid female friend and maybe meet new girls through her or seduce her myself eventually. I mean I have I'd say two legit female friends, including one I have legit feelings for but she says she doesn't date her friends so I've never pursued her further. Anyways, I'd stick with her and see if you can change her mind or meet her friends and go from there.
One of the worst posts in this thread.
 
I met a girl on OKC. We had a great first date. We texted each other a few days later at the exact same time (weird).

I said: I had a great time, let's do it again?
She said: I'd like to see you again, but as a friend.

I liked her a lot, but it was too early to be attached to any kind of expectation so I went with it.

She spent the first month telling her friends we were just friends, and being obvious with her language and mannerisms that was all she was interested in.

So I decided to just be her friend. No expectation, or pressure, just get to know her and appreciate her company. And a month later she told me she'd developed feelings for me. We were together for a year; we broke it off but we're still very close.

This isn't going to happen often, but if you like someone and they don't reciprocate your only real chance to change that is to just be yourself and maybe when they get to know the real you they'll see you differently. Anything else will be insincere or loaded with expectation and these things can sabotage and suffocate in equal measure.

Trying to force it or having any other kind of game-plan is probably not going to work well.
 
Her company, her friend, appreciate her. Where were your feelings, wants and desires in all that or don't you have any and you only exist to serve others?

Jesus. It's like there's literally no hint of self worth or self respect. Just all about the other person, giving them the reigns and going along with what they want.
 
I met a girl on OKC. We had a great first date. We texted each other a few days later at the exact same time (weird).

I said: I had a great time, let's do it again?
She said: I'd like to see you again, but as a friend.

I liked her a lot, but it was too early to be attached to any kind of expectation so I went with it.

She spent the first month telling her friends we were just friends, and being obvious with her language and mannerisms that was all she was interested in.

So I decided to just be her friend. No expectation, or pressure, just get to know her and appreciate her company. And a month later she told me she'd developed feelings for me. We were together for a year; we broke it off but we're still very close.

This isn't going to happen often, but if you like someone and they don't reciprocate your only real chance to change that is to just be yourself and maybe when they get to know the real you they'll see you differently. Anything else will be insincere or loaded with expectation and these things can sabotage and suffocate in equal measure.

Trying to force it or having any other kind of game-plan is probably not going to work well.

I mean I guess it's cool that it worked for you but you still loss since you pretended to her friend for months hoping something would happen instead of just moving on.
 
I mean I guess it's cool that it worked for you but you still loss since you pretended to her friend for months hoping something would happen instead of just moving on.

I didn't pretend to be anything, and I wasn't (actively) hoping for anything....

That's the entire point.

And the point that you seemed to miss is, the only real way you'll change anyone's mind like this is to dump all your expectation and actually, truly be a friend, and that maybe when the person gets to know you their feelings will change.

If you hang on with a game-plan hoping for them to change, you're probably going to do more damage to yourself than its worth.

Her company, her friend, appreciate her. Where were your feelings, wants and desires in all that or don't you have any and you only exist to serve others?

Jesus. It's like there's literally no hint of self worth or self respect. Just all about the other person, giving them the reigns and going along with what they want.

Haha, calm down dude.

My feelings were in check, I was actively dating still. I liked this girl, but I'm also secure enough to not allow that to dictate things. She wanted to be friends, I liked her, so I went with it. I wasn't hanging in there desperately hoping she'd change her mind, which is the /entire/ point of my post. That almost /never/ works out well for you and, more than likely, does more damage to you in the long term.

So don't do it. If you really, really like a girl and she doesn't reciprocate and you can't deal with that, then move the fuck on.

If you can overcome your desire and just be yourself, you never know what will happen. This is the only honest way minds will change. Hell, you might change your mind once your get to know them too.

Nothing's certain unless you're being dishonest about your intent, then it's almost certainly going to end up shit.
 
I didn't pretend to be anything, and I wasn't (actively) hoping for anything....

That's the entire point.

And the point that you seemed to miss is, the only real way you'll change anyone's mind like this is to dump all your expectation and actually, truly be a friend, and that maybe when the person gets to know you their feelings will change.

If you hang on with a game-plan hoping for them to change, you're probably going to do more damage to yourself than its worth.



Haha, calm down dude.

My feelings were in check, I was actively dating still. I liked this girl, but I'm also secure enough to not allow that to dictate things. She wanted to be friends, I liked her, so I went with it. I wasn't hanging in there desperately hoping she'd change her mind, which is the /entire/ point of my post. That almost /never/ works out well for you and, more than likely, does more damage to you in the long term.

So don't do it. If you really, really like a girl and she doesn't like you can't deal with that then move the fuck on.

If you can overcome your desire and just be yourself, you never know what will happen, and that's the only honest way minds will change in a situation like this. Hell, you might change your mind once your get to know them too.

Nothing's certain unless you're being dishonest about your intent, then it's almost certainly going to end up shit.

You don't change people's minds, that's the point. Saying things like you never know what might happens shows that you're hoping for an outcome. Maybe it's not huge but you're hoping for that window to exist which is stupid.
 
You don't change people's minds, that's the point. Saying things like you never know what might happens shows that you're hoping for an outcome. Maybe it's not huge but you're hoping for that window to exist which is stupid.

Well, maybe there's a valuable lesson for you here: you actually /can/ change people's minds, in myriad ways in myriad situations, not only just in a relationship, but in all aspects of life. This doesn't mean I'm saying actively try to change a girl/boy's mind when they say "friends", so please keep reading before you rush to the keyboard again...

And please stop putting words in my mouth, and read my post more carefully before replying next time please, because I didn't even come close to insinuating any of the things you claim I did.

I'm actively saying /do not/ hang in there hoping for a change in mind if that's all you're hoping for. The only healthy way for minds to change (and minds change all the time, in all aspects of life, from your favourite band to how you feel about a person) is to be honest about your intent.

My post was a response to all the posts in this thread where the guy is actively hanging in there pretending to be interested in friendship and secretly hoping for more, that kind of dishonest approach is harmful to yourself. It's not worth it.
 
Hi GAF, I need some advice here.
I don't know whether this is the correct thread or not. If it's not, then just ignore this post.

So I'm a newlywed, I got married in March and things been truly hard in these recent months. I caught my wife cheats on me last week and now I'm truly a mess and don't know where I can get some feedback.

Right after we get married, my wife got assigned to a new product launch project and she's been very busy. I kinda get neglected and she often refused to have sex since she said that she was very exhausted with this project. I don't have any problem with that and continue to support her the best that I could.

During this time she starts to get secretive and she often told me to go have some fun with my friends (I often refuse my friends invitation to go out after I got married). She also often didn't allow me to see her phone when she use it. She's like "hey gimme some privacy here" and I'm still okay with that.

One day I was curious and I checked her phone when she's in the bath and I found that she's romantically texting one of her co-worker. I was crushed. I confront her about it and she said that it was just a fling and nothing more. She says that she didn't get sexually involved with him. And when I asked her why, she said that she get bored of our relationship. She said that she loves me and would never want to leave me.

I mean if you can't commit to your husband then why bother get married? I know she was also pressured by her family to get married since she gets older (common in my country). But if you dont feels like committing to it then why bother?

I still love her, and I said I would give her another chance. Is it wise? Am I being stupid here? Please give me your feedback. Thanks.

Extremely easy answer on paper that will be tough to do in the short term but way, way better for you in the long-term: Divorce.

She clearly has no respect for you or the marriage. THIS IS FOUR MONTHS IN. Imagine what it will be like down the road? Can you really trust this person? And is constant distrust really a way to live? Get out of there man.
 
Well, maybe there's a valuable lesson for you here: you actually /can/ change people's minds, in myriad ways in myriad situations, not only just in a relationship, but in all aspects of life. This doesn't mean I'm saying actively try to change a girl/boy's mind when they say "friends", so please keep reading before you rush to the keyboard again...

And please stop putting words in my mouth, and read my post more carefully before replying next time please, because I didn't even come close to insinuating any of the things you claim I did.

I'm actively saying /do not/ hang in there hoping for a change in mind if that's all you're hoping for. The only healthy way for minds to change (and minds change all the time, in all aspects of life, from your favourite band to how you feel about a person) is to be honest about your intent.

My post was a response to all the posts in this thread where the guy is actively hanging in there pretending to be interested in friendship and secretly hoping for more, that kind of dishonest approach is harmful to yourself. It's not worth it.

:lol The condescension is amazing. Classy poster, classy advice.
 
I might be getting flaked on, I don't know. Girl asked me to reschedule because her brother was coming over when I asked her if she was still up for going to a bar with me. She responded really positively when I brought up netflix and chill at her place, though.
 
One of the worst posts in this thread.

Doesn't change what I said

You're a creep

NOBODY THINKS THEY ARE A CREEP

(except Thom Yorke but he makes great music so he can get away with it)

I regret the post alright. Now I'm gonna have a reputation when I post in here asking for advice. No one listen to me, I'm clearly not the right person to be giving advice.

That said I wish everyone the best and hopefully I'll find success in dating eventually.
 
You violated her privacy and she violated your trust. Neither of you did the right thing here.

I think it's a dick move to compare "violating privacy" with cheating on someone. Checking the phone is an inherently wrong thing to do, but doing it in self-defense mitigates the ethical obligation. I deliberately call it self-defense, because when you're in a situation where's someone's doing something to break your trust, and you have a suspicion about it, it will eat away at you as much as any somatic disease. It will deteriorate your mental health, and can lead to long-term issues with trust. Unveiling them in such a manner might be somewhat harmful, as opposed to the other admitting the wrongdoing. Juxtaposing checking the phone and cheating is wrong. I would never hold it against someone to do that, just like the legal system doesn't hold it against someone who harms another in self-defense. It's a thin comparison, but it's a way to show that morals are normative; that doing a bad thing isn't always bad. Personally, I say that if you check someone's phone one the suspicion that something's going on, and you find out you were right, then you didn't do something bad. You did something wrong, but you didn't do something bad. You can't be held accountable for your need to figure out what's going on in the face of an extremely tough situation.

So I'd urge us to stop with that. No matter how little you agree with the above, you cannot argue that they're in any way equal in severity. Whilst a need to trust would have to be reworked both ways, that is not due to the indiscretion of the person who checked the phone. That's the fucking cheater's fault.

Hi GAF, I need some advice here.
I don't know whether this is the correct thread or not. If it's not, then just ignore this post.

So I'm a newlywed, I got married in March and things been truly hard in these recent months. I caught my wife cheats on me last week and now I'm truly a mess and don't know where I can get some feedback.

Right after we get married, my wife got assigned to a new product launch project and she's been very busy. I kinda get neglected and she often refused to have sex since she said that she was very exhausted with this project. I don't have any problem with that and continue to support her the best that I could.

During this time she starts to get secretive and she often told me to go have some fun with my friends (I often refuse my friends invitation to go out after I got married). She also often didn't allow me to see her phone when she use it. She's like "hey gimme some privacy here" and I'm still okay with that.

One day I was curious and I checked her phone when she's in the bath and I found that she's romantically texting one of her co-worker. I was crushed. I confront her about it and she said that it was just a fling and nothing more. She says that she didn't get sexually involved with him. And when I asked her why, she said that she get bored of our relationship. She said that she loves me and would never want to leave me.

I mean if you can't commit to your husband then why bother get married? I know she was also pressured by her family to get married since she gets older (common in my country). But if you dont feels like committing to it then why bother?

I still love her, and I said I would give her another chance. Is it wise? Am I being stupid here? Please give me your feedback. Thanks.

She shows no remorse. She seemingly hasn't apologized or said she realizes what a terrible thing she's done. Instead she called the relationship boring, yet she tries to soothe you with saying she'd never leave you. This is not salvageable. I'm sorry to say it. You should get a divorce, and you should move on with your life. You should see how you feel about what she did to you and your trust, and if you have a hard time getting over it, you should consider therapy, but that's for a later stage.

People saying get counselling. What will it achieve beyond making the poster feel obliged to forgive her and take some of the responsibility for her cheating?

That's not what that's about. That's not what a therapist would do. A therapist gives legitimacy to someone's thoughts. They'd help this guy understand how terrible the act done towards him was, and to make him realize what's really going on in the situation. It could say that she's merely defending herself with calling the relationship boring, but also challenge the person that he can't work if he doesn't see his friends or otherwise has a life of his own to a certain extent. A therapist helps. A marriage councilor is also capable of saying things can't be salvaged. Forgiving would only be the way forward if they should keep being together.

I met a girl on OKC. We had a great first date. We texted each other a few days later at the exact same time (weird).

I said: I had a great time, let's do it again?
She said: I'd like to see you again, but as a friend.

I liked her a lot, but it was too early to be attached to any kind of expectation so I went with it.

She spent the first month telling her friends we were just friends, and being obvious with her language and mannerisms that was all she was interested in.

So I decided to just be her friend. No expectation, or pressure, just get to know her and appreciate her company. And a month later she told me she'd developed feelings for me. We were together for a year; we broke it off but we're still very close.

This isn't going to happen often, but if you like someone and they don't reciprocate your only real chance to change that is to just be yourself and maybe when they get to know the real you they'll see you differently. Anything else will be insincere or loaded with expectation and these things can sabotage and suffocate in equal measure.

Trying to force it or having any other kind of game-plan is probably not going to work well.

My post was a response to all the posts in this thread where the guy is actively hanging in there pretending to be interested in friendship and secretly hoping for more, that kind of dishonest approach is harmful to yourself. It's not worth it.

No it wasn't. It was a poor post clouding a situation with a non-situation. Despite you having had a friendship that turned into a relationship doesn't mean anything. It also ended up not working out, so it is easy to argue that it never worked in the first place. I lend much to the saying "If two people are friends after having been in a relationship, they were either never in love, or still are", and it feels like the first is true in this case. Expect maybe for yourself.

You're not giving a viable option to someone's situation. You're giving advice you think means that if one can allow oneself to just be friends with someone, you never know if it can turn into something else. But they contradict each other, and people are trying to show you that.

The irony is even more amazing.

You get what you give, dude.

Relax.
 
I might be getting flaked on, I don't know. Girl asked me to reschedule because her brother was coming over when I asked her if she was still up for going to a bar with me. She responded really positively when I brought up netflix and chill at her place, though.

Chill. Go with it for now. If a pattern develops then make a call.
 
It's not so much feelings, but the strong sense of passiveness that comes off all your posts. You seem to entirely happy having no agency over your life and how relationships develop.

You claim you were actively dating and yet as soon as your "friend" told you she had feels, you just fell into line and leapt at the opportunity.

Not a single shred of self worth on display. It's horrifying someone can be happy living so passively.

I'm scared to ask who broke it off because I get the sense you'd lie and say it was you to try and show you're not so helpless in taking the reigns of your own life.

Good God almighty. I need to go ly dow
 
No it wasn't. It was a poor post clouding a situation with a non-situation. Despite you having had a friendship that turned into a relationship doesn't mean anything. It also ended up not working out, so it is easy to argue that it never worked in the first place. I lend much to the saying "If two people are friends after having been in a relationship, they were either never in love, or still are", and it feels like the first is true in this case. Expect maybe for yourself.

You're not giving a viable option to someone's situation. You're giving advice you think means that if one can allow oneself to just be friends with someone, you never know if it can turn into something else. But they contradict each other, and people are trying to show you that.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

My point (that was probably poorly made to begin with, but has been explained vey clearly since) is:

The only way people will change their minds in situations like those being discussed here is if you're both absolutely honest about your intent.

If you can handle being a friend to someone who turned you down, and you let go of all expectations, then maybe things will change in the future. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but the fact that you're not hoping they will or hinging the friendship on that fact is what makes it a possibility.

As soon as you enter a friendship hoping to change their mind, as soon as you load it with expectation, you're starting to do yourself unnecessary harm.

My point was, to clarify (hopefully) a final time:

Do not try to change a person's mind when they turn you down. It may change later naturally, or it may not, but as soon as you're dishonest about your intent you start harming yourself.


Relax. You're making a fool of yourself, now.

I'm comfortable with how I've presented myself. As I admitted, perhaps my initial point could have been made more clearly, but I think the others who jumped in making assumptions and telling me my own intentions instead of diplomatically engaging in discussion are the foolish ones here.

It's not so much feelings, but the strong sense of passiveness that comes off all your posts. You seem to entirely happy having no agency over your life and how relationships develop.

You claim you were actively dating and yet as soon as your "friend" told you she had feels, you just fell into line and leapt at the opportunity.

Not a single shred of self worth on display. It's horrifying someone can be happy living so passively.

I'm scared to ask who broke it off because I get the sense you'd lie and say it was you to try and show you're not so helpless in taking the reigns of your own life.

Good God almighty. I need to go ly dow

I'm not passive in my relationships. When I like someone I tell them, if they reciprocate we explore it, if they don't I move on without concern.

While we're involved, I strive for 50/50 diplomacy as best as I can, and I pick my partners carefully so they almost always do too. I've no interest in leading nor being lead, I think the most healthy relationships are those where each person has control of their shit and agency over their own lives and you run next to each other in parallel.

I've ended just as many relationships as the other side has, and almost all of them have been mutually agreed. I've been cheated on once, which I ended as soon as I found out, and I've treated a person badly and accepted it when they decided to move on.

I'm not passive, I'm detached. I see no reason to be overly emotional about historic relationships.

She ended it with me. I was upset but I understood why. I moved on, we're still close. It hurt for a while but I adjusted. It was a pretty standard break.

And I as actively dating on OKC. We spent the day together just hanging out, which turned into the evening, which turned into all night. When the sun came up something had changed. It was a natural thing. I didn't plan it, we didn't expect it, and that's why it happened.

Had I been desperately hanging in there, I'm fairly certain we wouldn't have been able to be ourselves so effortlessly and discover something else. Thankfully, I've only ever been shook to the point of feeling hopeless by a girl once, and that was when I was very young. I learnt the first time to deal with those kinds of emotions, I don't let them dictate my actions.
 
If you stay friends with someone you wanted a relationship with and your entire being isn't "this is now my friend and I want nothing else" you are dooming yourself. Don't be friends with people want more from. Don't even process the idea of "maybe one day". If you are friends, you need to look at the girl the exact same way you look at your guy friends. That is, purely friendship and never anything more . . . Ever. And I doubt most people that come here for advice are genuinely like "yo this girl I wanted a relationship with, I'll turn off the switch and just be platonic". Anyone who says that, full of shit frankly.
 
If you stay friends with someone you wanted a relationship with and your entire being isn't "this is now my friend and I want nothing else" you are dooming yourself. Don't be friends with people want more from. Don't even process the idea of "maybe one day". If you are friends, you need to look at the girl the exact same way you look at your guy friends. That is, purely friendship and never anything more . . . Ever. And I doubt most people that come here for advice are genuinely like "yo this girl I wanted a relationship with, I'll turn off the switch and just be platonic". Anyone who says that, full of shit frankly.

Which is exactly my point.
 
Which is exactly my point.

I dunno what your point is. I'm just chiming in because too many people in this thread act like you can turn the feels switch off after literally just obsessing over one girl. Anyone who comes to this thread for advice being like, oh I can be her friend and it'll be aight. Lol yall aint fooling anyone. Your personal situation I dunno, I'm just making a general comment
 
I dunno what your point is. I'm just chiming in because too many people in this thread act like you can turn the feels switch off after literally just obsessing over one girl. Anyone who comes to this thread for advice being like, oh I can be her friend and it'll be aight. Lol yall aint fooling anyone. Your personal situation I dunno, I'm just making a general comment

Ah, I thought it was related. My bad.

I agree with you, obsession to friend is almost never going to work well.
 
That's not what I'm saying at all.

My point (that was probably poorly made to begin with, but has been explained vey clearly since) is:

The only way people will change their minds in situations like those being discussed here is if you're both absolutely honest about your intent.

If you can handle being a friend to someone who turned you down, and you let go of all expectations, then maybe things will change in the future. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but the fact that you're not hoping they will or hinging the friendship on that fact is what makes it a possibility.

As soon as you enter a friendship hoping to change their mind, as soon as you load it with expectation, you're starting to do yourself unnecessary harm.

My point was, to clarify (hopefully) a final time:

Do not try to change a person's mind when they turn you down. It may change later naturally, or it may not, but as soon as you're dishonest about your intent you start harming yourself.
My only gripe here is you talk about changing their minds being something you do as long as you become their friend without the intent of changing their minds. With one breath you're telling people don't try to change girls' minds, with the other you're planting the seed of hope that changing minds is possible.

Be friends with a girl because you genuinely want to be their friend. You genuinely want to help them through whatever, even if it means listening to them complain about the boys with whom they are having sex with. That should be the beginning and end of the conversation.
 
My only gripe here is you talk about changing their minds being something you do as long as you become their friend without the intent of changing their minds. With one breath you're telling people don't try to change girls' minds, with the other you're planting the seed of hope that changing minds is possible.

Be friends with a girl because you genuinely want to be their friend. You genuinely want to help them through whatever, even if it means listening to them complain about the boys with whom they are having sex with. That should be the beginning and end of the conversation.

I'm saying the only way it can happen is if you have no expectation or hidden intent, so anyone going into this situation with ulterior motives is very likely going to harm themselves in the long-term. I'm trying to highlight the futility of actively perusing the idea of changing someone's feelings for you.

Don't expect them to change their mind, don't hope for it, if you find yourself doing either you should probably seek distance instead of friendship.
 
I'm saying the only way it can happen is if you have no expectation or hidden intent, so anyone going into this situation with ulterior motives is very likely going to harm themselves in the long-term. I'm trying to highlight the futility of actively perusing the idea of changing someone's feelings for you.

Don't expect them to change their mind, don't hope for it, if you find yourself doing either you should probably seek distance instead of friendship.

But you keep putting forth the idea that if you passively pursue it, it might happen. That is in my opinion not good advice in this thread. 99% of posters in this thread, me included, can not handle going from wanting someone to being friends.
 
But you keep putting forth the idea that if you passively pursue it, it might happen. That is in my opinion not good advice in this thread.

I'm not putting that idea forward at all, and I've clearly explained it numerous times now.

If you have any kind of interest in changing their mind, you're being dishonest and it will very likely cause you harm.

The /only/ reason it worked out for me (and even though we broke up, I consider a year long relationship that taught me a lot and gave us both a lot of happiness a success, nothing lasts forever) was because I genuinely let go of expectation and wanted to be her friend. That's the only way it can happen, and it's no guarantee that it will happen, If you can't do that, walk away as soon as you can.
 
I'm not putting that idea forward at all, and I've clearly explained it numerous times now.

If you have any kind of interest in changing their mind, you're being dishonest and it will very likely cause you harm.

The /only/ reason it worked out for me (and even though we broke up, I consider a year long relationship that taught me a lot and gave us both a lot of happiness a success, nothing lasts forever) was because I genuinely let go of expectation and wanted to be her friend. That's the only way it can happen, and it's no guarantee that it will happen, If you can't do that, walk away as soon as you can.
Yes, I can tell what you're saying. And you're right, factually. That's the only way it can happen. However, putting that kind of story in this thread dilutes the message. One should not think that being friends should lead to them loving you further on. Your story is probably one in a thousand. I just don't think it happens often at all.
 
Ah, I thought it was related. My bad.

I agree with you, obsession to friend is almost never going to work well.

I frankly have enough friemds at this point in my life. I dont want to be friends with people I want to try and date. Other people take issue when I say it but if I meet someone ask them on a date and they say they wanna hang out as friends I'm just like "eh no thanks, I wanted a date" amd that's the end of the comversation.
 
I honestly don't think you can be friends with someone you were once in love with. I feel like that's impossible unless it's been several years or something.
 
Yes, I can tell what you're saying. And you're right, factually. That's the only way it can happen. However, putting that kind of story in this thread dilutes the message. One should not think that being friends should lead to them loving you further on. Your story is probably one in a thousand. I just don't think it happens often at all.

Again, that was my point. I even said in my initial post "this won't happen often".


I frankly have enough friemds at this point in my life. I dont want to be friends with people I want to try and date. Other people take issue when I say it but if I meet someone ask them on a date and they say they wanna hang out as friends I'm just like "eh no thanks, I wanted a date" amd that's the end of the comversation.

I find that's the case for me too, the vast majority of the time of it didn't work out as a date the reasons why exclude the idea of fiendship.

It's rare that you meet someone you truly love, it's possibly rarer you meet someone you have an interest in and develop an honest friendship with.
 
How is:

1. "Let her go, be honest with yourself, blah blah blah, and there's a small chance she'll eventually change her mind"

any different from:

2. "Continue to pursue her and make your intentions clear, don't give up, and there's a small chance she'll eventually change her mind"

?

Of course there's always a chance. The reason why that one-in-a-million humblebrag shouldn't even be in this thread is because people are going to think #2 will work, as long as they masquerade as #1.

There are 3.5 billion women in this world. That girl "you really click with" and "the only one for you"? She's not the one, if she's not interested in you. But don't worry, someone else is!
 
Guys, I need some advice.

I've been talking to this girl (let's call her B) I've met on Tinder, and we hit it off pretty fast, so we agreed to go on a date last Saturday. However, because of some issues we both had, we couldn't go and ended up re-scheduling to next Saturday.

Now, yesterday, I went to a birthday party of a friend of mine, and one of her friends (let's call her P) went too. I've instantly liked her, as she's pretty much 110% my type. I talked a bit with her, although mostly in a group setting, and from the little that I got to know of her, she seemed to be pretty cool. I even ended up getting her whatsapp number, since she asked me to send her the address to a website that came up during conversation, thus I actually have the means to talk to her again if I wish too. I'm still not sure this girl has a BF or not, since last time I've seen her (last year, in the birthday party of this same friend), she was accompanied by him, but that was one year ago and she was alone this time. I asked my friend and she's not sure she still with the BF I've seen her with before, but she would try to find out for me.

The thing is, in case P is single, I'm a bit conflicted if I should also try to get a date with her or not. I can't help but feel a bit bad about scheduling another date when I didn't even go on a date with B in the first place. I asked another friend of mine for advice, and she told me it is alright, since I'm only getting to know both girls, nothing more. So, am I overthinking this, or is this scummy behaviour?
 
Yes, you are overthinking this.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Talk to both of them, date both of them. Dating is fickle, and the person can drop you at the drop of a hat for one reason or another. Dating around also helps you from getting overly attached at the beginning.
 
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