Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream

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I don´t really care about those other games that they are going to be showing. I just want to see Zelda. A different thing would be if they were going to unveil some megaton like a new 3D Mario game, but no, that is not going to happen...but you know what? I am sure that Zelda will be the hottest game of the E3.

BTW I wonder when are we going to start seeing some sneak peeks of the booth, the decoration, banners and all that kind of stuff that we use to see before the E3 starts. Have they started building he whole thing already?
 
Camarasketch said:
I don´t really care about those other games that they are going to be showing. I just want to see Zelda. A different thing would be if they were going to unveil some megaton like a new 3D Mario game, but no, that is not going to happen...but you know what? I am sure that Zelda will be the hottest game of the E3.

BTW I wonder when are we going to start seeing some sneak peeks of the booth, the decoration, banners and all that kind of stuff that we use to see before the E3 starts. Have they started building he whole thing already?
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Probably late Sunday 12, early Monday 13
 
Sounds like Nintendo to me. Doing the complete opposite of what everyone expects. Maybe Zelda Wii U is just really that good and it puts everything else they have to shame.
 
NESpowerhouse said:
I feel so sorry for anybody (mostly casuals) going into E3 expecting Nintendo to announce any new games or hardware.
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I was thinking this, but then I reckon most people who follow video games will have heard about the NX no-show, and true casuals probably won't be anticipating E3, they'll just read about announcements after they've happened.

I'm more curious about seeing new Zelda than I am excited. 3D Zeldas have often felt very formulaic to me, especially with regards to the separation between dungeons and overworld, which has always seemed to be less in the handheld versions. But what has been rumoured about a move away from traditional abstract Zelda puzzles and towards more narrative and environment based stuff is pretty interesting. I'd love it if handheld Zelda had the 'puzzle game+combat' gameplay, while the 3D Zelda went down a totally different gameplay route. They started doing that with Majora's Mask. It's about time for Nintendo to push that a bit further IMO.
 
hzsn724 said:
Sounds like Nintendo to me. Doing the complete opposite of what everyone expects. Maybe Zelda Wii U is just really that good and it puts everything else they have to shame.
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So all those decades/years they attended and gave conferences at CES, E3, GDC, PAX, etc. That was them doing the opposite of what people wanted?

Smh Nintendo, smh.
 
Anth0ny said:
every decision is undeserved, but they've been consistently doing some dumb ass shit for like 20 years now

the negatives overshadow the positives a lot of the time
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They do make a lot of negative decisions. I really wished they wouldn't be so Japanese centric with their ideas and people. It would help so much more if they would let the west influence more decisions like games, technology, hardware. To me this would help the company greatly and give Reggie and Sabata bigger roles for working with third party to make games.
 
Anth0ny said:
every decision is undeserved, but they've been consistently doing some dumb ass shit for like 20 years now
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Which manufacturer hasn't? The amount of zealotry someone holds for a company separates the people that can have a normal discussion and the ones that say dumb, illogical stuff out of their mouth every chance they get.

I don't care what dumbass thing they supposedly did back in 2008 or whatever and how negative it might be on an imaginary quantitative scale, you act like a BurntPork and you're getting called out.
 
Anth0ny said:
every decision is undeserved, but they've been consistently doing some dumb ass shit for like 20 years now

the negatives overshadow the positives a lot of the time
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20 years? Wow
I loved many of their propositions both in terms of contents and communication lately to be honest.
Otherwise I wouldn't even be still commenting on them. I think that 20 weeks of constant disappointment would be enough for me to stop caring
Imagine 20 years
 
Aostia said:
20 years? Wow
I loved many of their propositions both in terms of contents and communication lately to be honest.
Otherwise I wouldn't even be still commenting on them. I think that 20 weeks of constant disappointment would be enough for me to stop caring
Imagine 20 years
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The N64 was the start of the disappointment. SNES was the last time they did something well apparently. Stupid, Nintendo, being successful while making nothing but dumb decisions for the past 2 decades.

Nintendo does seem to be in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" position lately.
 
Claude Augario said:
Which manufacturer hasn't? The amount of zealotry someone holds for a company separates the people that can have a normal discussion and the ones that say dumb, illogical stuff out of their mouth every chance they get.

I don't care what dumbass thing they supposedly did back in 2008 or whatever and how negative it might be on an imaginary quantitative scale, you act like a BurntPork and you're getting called out.
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Of course all manufacturers make mistakes. but for the GAF demographic nintendo's are more negative than others (putting out underpowered hardware, focus on "gimmicks", "kiddy" games, etc.)

Aostia said:
20 years? Wow
I loved many of their propositions both in terms of contents and communication lately to be honest.
Otherwise I wouldn't even be still commenting on them. I think that 20 weeks of constant disappointment would be enough for me to stop caring
Imagine 20 years
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That feel when it's been 20 years since the N64

they've done some dumb shit with every console since the N64 that has hurt them big time, especially in the eyes of the core gamer.
 
Anth0ny said:
Of course all manufacturers make mistakes. but for the GAF demographic nintendo's are more negative than others (putting out underpowered hardware, focus on "gimmicks", "kiddy" games, etc.)



That feel when it's been 20 years since the N64

they've done some dumb shit with every console since the N64 that has hurt them big time, especially in the eyes of the core gamer.
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Read the post above you.
But you are right if you are talking about the GAF demographic
Just recognize that not all the GAF think like you (I felt in love with nintendo with ds and wii, not with the n64) and that even if, GAF is not the world.
 
Aostia said:
Read the post above you.
But you are right if you are talking about the GAF demographic
Just recognize that not all the GAF think like you (I felt in love with nintendo with ds and wii, not with the n64) and that even if, GAF is not the world.
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i'm not talking about myself, let alone the world. just trying to explain why it seems like everyone is always shitting on nintendo... because they pretty consistently give people reasons to.
 
ReyVGM said:
10 days to find out if Zelda U will have NPCs with schedules.
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No fucking way they wouldn't have schedules. Pretty much every Zelda does and this one has had extra time in the oven. This Zelda better be the best thing since sliced bread.
I really expect it to be amazing.
 
R00bot said:
No fucking way they wouldn't have schedules. Pretty much every Zelda does and this one has had extra time in the oven. This Zelda better be the best thing since sliced bread.
I really expect it to be amazing.
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If it's not looking like the best game of all time, Reggie deserves to get the critical treatment from the press at E3.

Where are the other games Reggie?
What's Retro up to?
Is the NX a hoax?
Why no games for Nintendo fans who don't care for Zelda like most of Japan?


Reggie: We have lots to show you at a later date.
 
I've been a Nintendo guy all my life, and yeah, I agree with Anth0ny

The thing with Nintendo is that it seems like there's frequently a "really obvious solution" for a given problem on the table and they often refuse to take it

and sometimes they are in the right and their actions revolutionize the industry

and sometimes they are wrong and look incompetent for not taking the sure thing

they're the definition of boom or bust in their approach. it's a fun ride, but sometimes i wish there didn't always have to be a thing with them.

i guess so long as i can eat the crow when i'm wrong about them then i can feel justified in critiquing :)
 
Retromelon said:
Bruhs..imagine if nintendo polished the game up and made it look as shiny as the wii u zelda tech demo. HYPE
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that would be a step back, honestly the one thing I know for sure about this game is that it has a gorgeous art style, i dont think we are going back to realistic looking style anytime soon, WW, SS, zelda NX all a cell shaded style to them
 
Miyamoto once said that there are a lot of sidequests in this game that can detract you from the main path. I'm curious how they implemented this. I hope it's not too mission-like in nature.
 
Retromelon said:
Bruhs..imagine if nintendo polished the game up and made it look as shiny as the wii u zelda tech demo. HYPE
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I think we are past that "early Xbox 360" stage when everything was shiny and reflective and it was cool despite looking like crap.

Zelda Wii U tech demo was bland and uninteresting. The boss itself was the only interesting part of it, and I have no doubt about bosses in the new Zelda in any case.

takriel said:
Miyamoto once said that there are a lot of sidequests in this game that can detract you from the main path. I'm curious how they implemented this. I hope it's not too mission-like in nature.
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I WISH they are mission-like. There are not enough side missions in Zelda games... all side contents usually boils down to collectables, minigames and a trading sequence.
 
GodfatherX said:
that would be a step back, honestly the one thing I know for sure about this game is that it has a gorgeous art style, i dont think we are going back to realistic looking style anytime soon, WW, SS, zelda NX all a cell shaded style to them
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Nah son. The art style was certainly not at all very interesting, but the demo's lighting and reflections were damn impressive. If zelda wii u comes near to looking like that, it will be marvelous.
 
Anth0ny said:
i'm not talking about myself, let alone the world. just trying to explain why it seems like everyone is always shitting on nintendo... because they pretty consistently give people reasons to.
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Obviously when you are in the business since so long and put on the market so many products occssions to be criticized are often present. If your primary target is not the usual GAF user this happens more often.
But critics are as frequent as "nintendoom" meme (post above me) so probably the issue is also the usual forum user reaction to products that at least try to appeal also different demographics

It is evident how they are wrong in many occssions as GAF users tend to overreact in a negative way to any small whirl of wind from Nintendo.

And I have been attacked of being very negative against nintendo after their investors meeting, note (and I am).

But in an objective way is funny how on GAF nintendo and Sony are commented in a way different way even regarding for example vita and 3ds, funnily if you talk about successful product propositions and communication and decisions

So no, I dont think that they did it all wrong since the N64 honestly.
 
R00bot said:
No fucking way they wouldn't have schedules. Pretty much every Zelda does and this one has had extra time in the oven. This Zelda better be the best thing since sliced bread.
I really expect it to be amazing.
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The only Zelda with NPCs with schedules is Majora's Mask. When people say NPCs with schedules they don't mean having an NPC sitting in one spot waiting for you to fulfill their request. They mean having an NPC actually performing (different) tasks at specific times of the day and actually walking to whatever place they have to be at, instead of warping like how every other game does it.

That's what made Clocktown feem "alive".
 
Retromelon said:
Nah son. The art style was certainly not at all very interesting, but the demo's lighting and reflections were damn impressive. If zelda wii u comes near to looking like that, it will be marvelous.
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Speak for yourself.

The tech demo looked good but can you seriously say that this is not interesting:

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That style just looks so much better for Zelda than the shiny more TP style art in the tech demo.
 
Spieler Eins said:
Looking at the sales for both OoT/TP and WW/SS, it's clear what style the market prefers though.
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But the style of the new Zelda is not anytjing like WW or SS it doesn't really look like cell shading. More like a very colorful and bright world with an otherwise realstic look in ways of proportions and overall design.
 
Skittzo0413 said:
Speak for yourself.

The tech demo looked good but can you seriously say that this is not interesting:

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That style just looks so much better for Zelda than the shiny more TP style art in the tech demo.
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This is the best looking Zelda game ever. It's so breathtaking. I don't want that "realstic" tech demo Zelda. It's more bland.
 
ReyVGM said:
The only Zelda with NPCs with schedules is Majora's Mask. When people say NPCs with schedules they don't mean having an NPC sitting in one spot waiting for you to fulfill their request. They mean having an NPC actually performing (different) tasks at specific times of the day and actually walking to whatever place they have to be at, instead of warping like how every other game does it.

That's what made Clocktown feem "alive".
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Oh. It still better have this lol. Honestly surprised other zeldas haven't, although SS only had day/night time travel not an actual clock.
 
Not gonna hold Zelda to this incredibly high standard. Not gonna do it. I'm curious to see how Zelda can keep things exciting and fresh. I'm also pretty much getting the NX version. Haven't played my Wii U in so long.
 
zaldrizes said:
The best looking screenshot there is. I hope the game does end up looking like this.
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I don't think the Wii U version will look like that. We already saw evidence of a "downgrade" in all subsequent showings.

This is more likely how the NX version will look.
 
Retromelon said:
Nah son. The art style was certainly not at all very interesting, but the demo's lighting and reflections were damn impressive. If zelda wii u comes near to looking like that, it will be marvelous.
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It looks way better now. Yes i'm talking about tech.

takriel said:
I don't think the Wii U version will look like that. We already saw evidence of a "downgrade" in all subsequent showings.

This is more likely how the NX version will look.
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We saw nothing that suggests a downgrade, and an offscreen footage in 1/4 of the screen of a demo filled with placeholder content that we saw more than 2 years before the release of the game hardly counts as that. The 10 seconds trailer looked at least as good as the reveal, it was just a different tod. Neither the Wii U version nor the NX one will be 1440p downsampled to 1080p like that bullshot, but assets, lighting, lod etc will be just as good if not better (definitely better on the NX).
 
takriel said:
I don't think the Wii U version will look like that. We already saw evidence of a "downgrade" in all subsequent showings.

This is more likely how the NX version will look.
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We saw off-screen footage which purposefully avoided interesting looking areas. I don't know what you're talking about about other subsequent showings- the 12 second teaser looked just as good as this initial one.

Nintendo rarely downgrades graphics in their games. If anything, they will release a few bullshotty screenshots for Zelda, but this screenshot was shown in the trailer in motion, confirmed to be in the game engine.

The only possible downgrade I might expect could be draw distance/fog/pop in, but otherwise it will look like this or better. Likely not at 1080p of course.
 
Someone should update the topic because I do a "WTF? Didn't they say they're showing Pokemon and other games now" double take lol.
 
schaft0620 said:
What are you talking about? Damned if they do? What have they done for the past two years? What are they doing this year?
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looking at the Wii, core gamers seemed to hate them for it even though a lot of those games, while not "hardcore", were a ton of fun. In terms of speculation, I've seen a ton of articles and videos saying Nintendo should abandon handhelds and make mobile games, and about the same number saying the exact opposite. Nintendo HAS screwed up a lot and makes dumb decisions at times, but even when they're doing well, they get a lot of criticism that doesn't seem to be as steady or vitriolic as those directed at other companies.
 
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