Yara and Theon left the Iron Islands the same episode Dany left Vaes Dothrak. Do you think it only took a few days for Dany to travel ~1,000 miles to Meereen?
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Yara and Theon left the Iron Islands the same episode Dany left Vaes Dothrak. Do you think it only took a few days for Dany to travel ~1,000 miles to Meereen?
It's not generic, her advice is honestly perfectly fine for me, Jon is being overconfident and she's telling him Ramsay is going to outsmart him, and that's exactly what happened.
I'm not arguing that Danny travelled 1,000 miles over a few days, I'm explaining why people might find it jarring when you have different storylines in the same episodes going at different speeds, particularly so when they connect.
But that's pretty generic advice, telling someone "he's going to outsmart you" means nothing if you don't offer advice on how to avoid that.
Letting Jon know of Ramsay sadistic tactics to control people would had been far more useful and specific.
Rune of Destiny
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Tbh I kinda the pre-battle scenes more than the actual battle scenes and aftermath.
Anton Sugar
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Well, it's just sloppy. This is just screenwriting 101. Establish a sense of narrative time and space, especially with multiple characters.
The bind D&D finds themselves in is having storylines where passage of time does matter (Jon and Sansa) and doesn't matter (Mereen, apparently?). This isn't the first time either, right? How many plot threads rely on "just in time" or "you just missed it" as a part of their inherent drama?
It's confusing and breaks against a sense of consistency in the world and in the storytelling.
She's gonna need a lot of Phoenix Downs..
EzekelRAGE
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Good episode, only problem I have is Sansa not telling Jon at all about LF possibly coming to the battle. Have Jon do w/e with that information, but she still should've told him.
Also, where Ghost :/.
Scene with Dany/Yara was good. Dragons were nice. Actually everything in Mereen was good.
Also, where Ghost :/.
Scene with Dany/Yara was good. Dragons were nice. Actually everything in Mereen was good.
I agree.
The past few seasons have made Westeros (And Essos) feel small. Characters move across the map like they have teleportation capabilities.
waiting until his death scene
ETA: I see what you mean now but there's no indication that there was a great difference in time between the victory in Meereen and the arrival of the Greyjoy fleet. I think it's a trivial thing to get hung up on.
They barely bothered with time shit since season 1 anyway, which is the only thing to do if you want storylines to move at the same time.
There are too many of them and they have to be brought together according to an episode's theme.
The alternative would be boring as fuck and you'd have people disappear for a whole season like in the books. (yeah I know they did it with bran anyway)
There are too many of them and they have to be brought together according to an episode's theme.
The alternative would be boring as fuck and you'd have people disappear for a whole season like in the books. (yeah I know they did it with bran anyway)
Not knowing -if- reinforcements are coming would never -ever- be good enough a reason not to tell someone they -could- be coming, and just have to wait 24-48h.
The writters even gave Sansa the perfect opening to tell Jon, when she asks him to wait and he asks back "WHAT FOR?" (Paraphrasing)
Personally, I like when characters disappear for long stretches of time, only to reapear later. Makes the world feel bigger, and the story grander.
In the books, at least, since each chapter is told from a certain perspective, that makes sense. Less so in the show (Plus you have the constraint of having to work with human actors).
Also, the journey does matter. Making characters pop into the correct place on the chess board makes it feel like we're watching the cliff notes of the actual story. There needs to be adequate build up to payoff.
Once again - she knows other people in the Vale, ones who hold even more power and authority over a guy who just recently married into the family and who she knows is already on icy ground with them all. She could have gone over his head if she wanted to and secured the army herself with little effort, but chose to completely ignore it until it was literally zero hour and there were no other options. There was nothing correct on how she played the game, and in the end she only got completely lucky from the dire circumstances she herself created in the first place.
No sane person should be giving her props. Even the show isn't that stupid to whitewash her role like that as the previews seem to suggest. She fucked up.
Eh?
Baelish controls the little lord of the Vayl. The other lords bend their wills to his. We already saw that earlier this season.
Last Hearth
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Well we are in agreement, at one point this show was more than that, but spectacle is all it has to offer now.
I completely agree with you. It was a beautifully shot battle and there were some amazing scenes in it but I was constantly taken out of the action by the jarringly insane things happening. Like that wall of corpses. Wun wun being ineffective until they needed him to be effective for plot reasons.
Hell, I completely missed the connotations that Stannis was apparently a 20 minute hike from Winterfell when he sacrificed his daughter (I was more focused on how unlikely it was for a wood carving to survive a pyre and trying to remember if she had dropped it). The 20 good men thing actually makes more sense with that revelation because they were literally in Ramsay's backyard.
But this exactly what she said! you should probably rewatch the scene, they weren't going into the details of what he did to her and Theon because that would have been really dumb exposition, but she specifically says Ramsay plays games to make people suffer.
I feel we are going to just agree to disagree.
demosthenes
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I could watch this the whole day
At first I was like "they're spending a long ass time on this 1 ship". And then I realized that they went with Tyrion's plan. She's pretty lucky to have Tyrion with her.
I'm kind of stunned that people are defending Sansa feeding Ramsay to dogs as somehow just or righteous. It's pure villainy. Yes, Ramsay was terrible to her, but that doesn't excuse torture or mutilation. There is nothing that justifies that kind of behavior. It's like we want our "heroes" to be entirely good so we twist events to fit into whatever narrative we constructed. But that's disingenuous. Sansa committed a war atrocity. Whether or not that informs her character going forward is anyone's guess, but for that moment, she was every bit as vile as the man she was ravaging.
Admiral Woofington
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Last episode I had people invadingI could watch this the whole day
Ships and ships as far as they can see
"time to surrender daenerys" they threatened
What do I look like, not a crazy motherfucker
I dragon'd them all dooooown
What you think I'm not ruthless?
Im an adult!
Welcome to the real world jackass
Wun Wun should have been wearing armor. Would have torn through everybody.
demosthenes
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I can understand the Night's Watch not giving armor or making it for him. And as literally NOBODY had armor I can see why they didn't just magically have some. With that said...
He literally could have pulled up a tree and just used that would have been more effective then just his hands.
Even ignoring what he did to Sansa, Ramsay's war crime list is so fucking long that It would span multiple pages.
Maybe if he had fed his dogs properly, they wouldn't have eaten him.
And I thought she killed him too quickly.
She should have cut off a few fingers and had a giant rape him.
Admiral Woofington
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Oh manRemember when this was the most amazing thing ever.
Only 90s kids would get this, nostalgia
Baelish squirmed his way out of trouble at the beginning because Royce had no proof. With Sansa's word and correspondence, that whole balance of power and control shifts. If the show was actually interested in having Sansa be a "boss ass bitch" who is playing the game, this would have been a great way of showing it. Instead they wanted to redeem LF and admitted as such before the season began. Unfortunately, this happens at the expense of Sansa's character.
Anton Sugar
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I mean, we all knew that would happen.
When I saw the promo images and he wasn't carrying any weapon, I thought maybe he loses his weapon halfway through the fight...but, deep in my soul, I knew it wasn't true.
That was probably one of the absolute best war scenes shot on TV or film--seriously, amazing stuff--but some of the tactics/strategies left a lot to be desired. Not even armchair general stuff, just common sense things.
PHOENIXZERO
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If I was any good with Photoshop I'd make a couple dog food advertisements/bags for "Hound Chow" one being chicken flavored with Sandor on it and the other Ramsay flavored with his hounds.
And he's a villain. People who commit war crimes are villains.
Sickboy007
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I wonder how much the female rulers angle is going to be a theme in the next season(s). We already have Dany and Yara teaming up, and Varys is presumably going to Dorne to ask Xena and her friends for help. That's three 'Queens' on her side, and Sansa ruling in the North. Then we have Margaery, who is a consort Queen but could become a ruler in her own right if Loras does die, as he is the only male heir to the Reach.
That would leave in male hands only the Vale, the Westerlands and the Riverlands, and Sansa has a legitimate claim to overlordship of the latter. I'm not sure who's the nominal leader of the Westerlands right now, but if we go by the books it's Cersei who succeeds her father. If Littlefinger does take over the Vale, and submits to (his wife?) Sansa, that would mean that every single realm in the Seven Kingdoms would be ruled by a woman.
That would leave in male hands only the Vale, the Westerlands and the Riverlands, and Sansa has a legitimate claim to overlordship of the latter. I'm not sure who's the nominal leader of the Westerlands right now, but if we go by the books it's Cersei who succeeds her father. If Littlefinger does take over the Vale, and submits to (his wife?) Sansa, that would mean that every single realm in the Seven Kingdoms would be ruled by a woman.
No one is saying is "pure righteousness", you are the one saying it's pure villainy, which is just as simplistic to be honest.
The series started with our "good guy" main character executing a clearly innocent man, it's a very violent and unfair world. If anything Ramsay got off good.
BrianRoyale
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She was just trying to feed the dogs, they hadn't eaten for 7 days!
If Ramsay had fed his dogs instead of purposefully starving them so as to fed Jon to them, maybe they wouldn't have eaten him. Oh well.
He's a true piece of shit and had it coming.
Hell, he didn't even need to charge the shield wall and spears though. He just needed to start scooping bodies off the corpse wall and throw them. The amount of inertia from ~200+ lbs of corpse and armor would have been more than sufficient to knock down a few shield holders and start opening holes.
Her action was villainy although, as I said, I don't know if her character will go down that route. And Ned executed a deserter by swiftly cutting off his head. There's a very big difference between that and mutilating someone. By comparison, look at how Jon handled the man who defied him (beheading) or the men who assassinated him (hanging). That's how justice is handled in Westeros.
wesleyshark
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Goodness the dragons are so well done.I could watch this the whole day
That would be a bit on the nose. I kinda prefer the theme of everything's fucked no matter who wins in these petty squabbles.
Sickboy007
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Giants aren't too bright.
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