EdibleExplosives
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Guys, please stop calling the Leave voters racist, it's really unfair.
They also hate white foreigners. The correct term is xenophobia.
They also hate white foreigners. The correct term is xenophobia.
The UK votes to leave the European Union
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GHG
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It's more about proving that they have a voice and that they do exist. It will feel like a victory to them, even if it's a hollow one that will ultimately make them worse off.
Never underestimate whole communities of people with nothing to lose.
No, Democracy failed to produce a positive result, again. Democracy works under the assumption that the voting populace is making an informed decision. The fact is that the majority of people are not informed and will vote with their gut. Therefore Democracy as a system of government is flawed. We can do better.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Look up the California proposition system and how much garbage it has led to and you'll see why.
I dont think it will be anywhere near this quick, nor would any government who wants Scotland to stay make it a priority, will be a few years yet.
Congratulations, UK:
Trump in one side of the sea, this on the other. Yikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA
it was the poor who made this happen mate.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/eu-referendum-working-class-revolt-grieve
i live in london and wanted to keep the status quo. of course i want to keep the status quo. the UK is essentially a city state and there isn't a single policy made regarding the UK in brussels or westminster which doesn't take me into consideration.
EazyWeazy3
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I apologize if this is not the place for this or if it has already been discussed but...
As an American who is going to the UK next week, what does this mean to us as a traveler? Will we notice any difference?
As an American who is going to the UK next week, what does this mean to us as a traveler? Will we notice any difference?
Hahahaha.
I love these sort of things. Appeal to the past and hit that feel good spot in people's emotions.
Going to love wondering what happens when the rosiness of imagery is taken away from one's feelings.
But lying to the ppl with made up propaganda, to make the ppl vote for u.... this isn't democracy this is deushitingme
ClosingADoor
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So if the vote would have gone against Leave, the UKIP would have dissolved and Farage would have quit?
Just because you lost the vote, doesn't mean you have to personally accept that. That would be crazy.
If they do that without significant concessions by the UK, CDU and SPD might be utterly fucked. They're already under a lot of political pressure and their political future is far from certain right now.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/746209672546287616/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Seems education had the strongest correlation with which way each area voted
I'm not in favour of Leave, I voted for Remain. I just think Remain smugly telling Leave voters that they need to stop being so racist isn't a productive way to actually build a better society.
Westminster has ignored us for 30 years. Let's take all the power away from the people that aren't ignoring us to support Westminster.
Led_Zeppelin
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No, this is you and a lot more having a problem with the reasoning of people that decided theat Leave was a better option for the country that remain with the EU. And all of you have made your point clear of how this people are racist bigots xenomorphs white old people that don't have any education and are poor and that they shouldn't be able to vote or have their voice being represented in how their own country should be represented.
Call things what they are, you guys are elitist aristocrats and can't care less for democracy if it means the majority supports something you don't believe in.
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mavericktopgun
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So the EU was oppressing UK? Might want to check on what oppression means.
Audioboxer
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On very clear false pretences
my facebook feed is depressing -- but i don't HOPE it all goes to shit. Don't get me wrong, if leave was a supposed to be a good idea, I hope it is.
Facebook is ALWAYS a mistake for anything political.
It's basically just the forward emails of the years gone by that say "forward this or someone will die from Cancer". No "family member x" please stop forwarding these chain emails to me, they are trash.
Red Arremer
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Of course Germany, and other EU nations, will want trade with the UK. And it's very unlikely that the UK will die off. But there's still going to be a fallout.
- The UK will not have any input into the EU-imposed regulations any longer, and they will have adhere to all of them, otherwise there won't be trade with the EU (see: Switzerland)
- The UK has lost its strength as an international and European financial center. Many banks will move into an EU country solely so they have access to the EU money flow - if they remain in the UK, that flow will be heavily regulated.
- The UK also has lost its strength in worldwide economy. The EU united packs a very, very powerful punch in the international market. Now that the UK is no longer part of it, it no longer benefits from that "reputational" support, and will have to entirely rely on its own economy in order to hammer out trade agreements with other nations.
"Maybe you think that this wasn't the right response to being ignored by Westminster for 30 years but it's what happened."
This is an unprecedented event, it has never happened before. What will follow is a completely new experience NOBODY expected would occur. In the next couple of years both parties will have to cut the UK off of decades old threads that are intertwined with the EU. It will be a long process, the opportunity costs will be immense and the result uncertain.
There's really only one thing left to say to the UK: Good luck.
I don't need to, really.
Leave won. That's it. People can piss and moan about it all they want, I'm disappointed personally, but it's happening. Us in the remain camp were too complacent. Look how many examples of the following we saw over the past week and throughout last night: "oh, I don't need to vote, we're obviously gonna win", "oh, don't worry London will save us", "bunch of racists, they'll never win"
The writing has been on the wall for years now and everyone has just carried on with their heads in the sand. This is the result.
Good luck with that. They'll need to focus even more on London now as it's the only city that even has a small chance actually staying relevant in the world as a centre of culture. Especially with a lot of jobs leaving the city.
I think the Leave campaign did a good job of tapping into people's anger, and also deciding not to mention that a lot of the reason for people's anger actually has to do with tory policies. The EU referendum turned into some abstract idea about whether or not the status quo is good, rather than debating the merits of being a part of the union itself.
It's maddening
If you haven't changed your currency yet, everything just got cheaper!
geordiemp
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On very clear false pretences
Well, if the premise of the EU is for countries like UK to pump money into an undemocratic system then of course you will get people pushing back.
Eu needs to reform, and it probably will.
I am sure Germany / France and Uk will work it out (would not be surprised if they have already prepared for this). Looks like it.
Palette Swap
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Fun coincidence : for the last few hours, all high speed trains in Northern France are delayed because of a Eurostar stuck on tracks. This includes Thalys trains to Belgium and Netherlands. Obviously, this also delays other Eurostars.
But yeah, that the most pleased people are all of Europe's xenophobes, Putin or Trump should give pause to anyone who disagrees with them but voted leave.
It's entirely unsurprising that every far right party is applauding, they're all eurosceptics.
But yeah, that the most pleased people are all of Europe's xenophobes, Putin or Trump should give pause to anyone who disagrees with them but voted leave.
NYCmetsfan
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That's literally the definition. They are scared, fearful and concerned about foreigners
Majukun
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which are just different shades of the same thing
These are your average joe (jane?) voters that caused us to leave. I wonder how much BS that was on the leave leaflets actually comes true?
Because so far, everything is as predicted with what remain is saying. You can only hope it doesn't continue.
PdotMichael
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Like when the UK voted to stay in the EU in the 70s?
Didn't stop anyone to bash the EU in the past 5 decades in the UK.
People don't stop having an opinion about something just because a democratic decision was made.
I know we dont see eye to eye, but yes, fuck London.... this is a marriage, it is like London is the sole wage earner in a marriage and bulling it's partner who does not earn anything...
That is not how life should be, we should not all have to bow down and accept things we don't want because London wants them...
By this Logic Scotland should shut the fuck up, as England provide them with the most money
But you and several others are in this thread saying 'London is out of touch, the problems are XYZ' when the problems are not XYZ and we're telling you repeatedly.
London and Scotland are completely different places with completely different politics and they both voted exactly the same sweep of Remain
Is this the type of response I can expect in this thread? So fucking childish.
No it's not?
Well neither is willfully voting to tank your economy, so I guess that's something we can bond over.
Actually native born scots voted for independence according to exit polling by about 53 to 47 but Ruk born folk living in Scotland overwhemlingly voted to stay (86 to 14) as did other immigrants (68 to 32)
Call things what they are?
Garrett Hawke
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About as childish as anyone who thought Leave was a good idea.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Greece's Golden Dawn (the far-right racist party) have also congratulated the UK for Brexit. Add them to Trump, Iran and Marine Le Pen.
It's a good look.
It's a good look.
bobs...onGaf
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I disagree with you
I think there was enough misinformation and General lack of understanding yesterday that has only been clarified since people have voted
A confirmation vote would be done with more information in the hands of voters
I don't doubt that the 350 million for nhs figure which was debunked this morning influenced some votes - why should that misinformation alter the course the country is taking?
Between my father's account and mine we lost 5k today. Also well diversified. So, yeah.
you're asking for a context-free discussion. in the current context of this vote "immigration" was a stalking horse for openly racist rhetoric.
They also gave the world a lot. And those were different times.
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