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[Big Baybee]

Lmao, "why are you calling me a racist for supporting a candidate that's openly racist???"

If you make the decision to support Trump, you align yourself with his shitty views. Accept it.

 

[Slayven]

Lmao, "why are you calling me a racist for supporting a candidate that's openly racist???"

If you make the decision to support Trump, you align yourself with his shitty views. Accept it.

aka take the L

 

[BokehKing]

This is the absolute most moronic stance to take right now. No offense.

What blue states is he turning red?
I know he thinks he can turn NY red, but Upstate and Long Island is not enough red to make up the blue in the 5 boroughs.

California will never be red again.

Brexit type stuff will not happen in America
Unless people don't go out and vote, if people don't go out and vote that is this countries problem. Will young liberals vote? Idk, if they actually did Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders would not have been defeated. Truth is they don't. I don't know what happens, how people can be so supportive, go to rally's, defend them tooth and nail on Facebook, but they never make it to the voting both???

Voting is the first thing I do that morning and I'm there as soon as the polls open. I don't even eat breakfast until after I cast a vote. But that's a thread for another day

Why do people say they will vote......but don't.


With Obama that was a special moment, who didn't want a first black president? I know I wanted to be apart of that history. That definitely helped the youth turn out.

 

[Measley]

But that doesn't necessarily mean you support his racism. I don't know why people vote for him whether it's his policies, or they just like the fact he's a change. I don't know. But I don't think the only single aspect of his campaign is racism and if you vote for him it's because of that.

This is like saying that its okay for someone to be a Neo Nazi supporter because they like the Third Reich's economic policies and uniforms.

 

[Iorv3th]

This is like saying that its okay for someone to be a Neo Nazi supporter because they like the Third Reich's economic policies and uniforms.

What do Neo Nazi's even have to do with the Third Reich's economic policies? Plus Neo Nazis make it very open and clear that one of their main goals is white supremacy.

It's not the same.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

This is like saying that its okay for someone to be a Neo Nazi supporter because they like the Third Reich's economic policies and uniforms.

No its not. It's like saying voting for one of the candidates as to not elect the other doesn't make you a bigot.

Actually that's exactly what I'm saying.

 

[Newtype-001]

"I pretend to dislike Donald Trump, but I'm a closet bigot and he might get my vote"

☝☝☝☝☝☝☝

 

[The Adder]

No its not. It's like saying voting for one of the candidates as to not elect the other doesn't make you a bigot.

Actually that's exactly what I'm saying.

Voting for a bigot as to not elect a non-bigot makes you a bigot.

 

[lenovox1]

No its not. It's like saying voting for one of the candidates as to not elect the other doesn't make you a bigot.

Actually that's exactly what I'm saying.

This is simply a rhetorical sentiment.

Why does there have to be such a big distinction between being a bigot and being a bigot supporter?

 

[Measley]

What do Neo Nazi's even have to do with the Third Reich's economic policies? Plus Neo Nazis make it very open and clear that one of their main goals is white supremacy.

It's not the same.

You don't think that Neo Nazi political parties have economic plans based on the Third Reich?

You don't think that the Trump campaign also makes its racism clear?

 

[Iorv3th]

Voting for a bigot as to not elect a non-bigot makes you a bigot.

This is why people will not openly support trump but will vote for him. They don't want to put up with people calling them bigots for not supporting hillary.

You don't think that Neo Nazi political parties don't have economic plans based on the Third Reich?

You don't think that the Trump campaign also makes its racism clear?

I don't think Neo Nazi's really have economic plans as they don't have anything to implement those plans with, no government nothing. Maybe their savings account.

And no I don't think trump is out there chanting white power and saying he hates niggers.

Trump is actually saying "I love the mexican people, they love me" or "i love the blacks, they love me" etc. It isn't a valid comparison.

 

[DragonSworne]

Baby boomers really are the worst generation.

 

[Pepboy]

This is like saying that its okay for someone to be a Neo Nazi supporter because they like the Third Reich's economic policies and uniforms.

I think it's more like saying that a president's perceptions of race / racial relations is just one dimension of his or her platform. There are compromises one makes with every candidate, as no candidate is going to line up 100% with your views. Some people may think this racial bias the only dimension that matters, but I don't think Trump is de facto defined by his views on race in the same way that Neo-Nazi's are.

I'm much more concerned about a president who has never held elected office, making it unclear what his commitments or proposed policies actually are. We have not done this since Eisenhower (and at least he showed actual signs of leadership prior to the presidency).

 

[The Adder]

This is why people will not openly support trump but will vote for him. They don't want to put up with people calling them bigots for not supporting hillary.

Who gives a fuck? What difference does it make if they admit they're voting for his racist ass or not? They're still doing it.

And they're still racists.

 

[Slayven]

No its not. It's like saying voting for one of the candidates as to not elect the other doesn't make you a bigot.

Actually that's exactly what I'm saying.

It is the voting for the bigot part

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

This is why people will not openly support trump but will vote for him. They don't want to put up with people calling them bigots for not supporting hillary.

That much is obvious. In America, being perceived as a bigot is worse than supporting bigoted viewpoints and policies.

 

[diaspora]

No its not. It's like saying voting for one of the candidates as to not elect the other doesn't make you a bigot.

Actually that's exactly what I'm saying.

Voting for a bigot is an action that makes one a bigot.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I think it's more like saying that a president's perceptions of race / racial relations is just one dimension of his or her platform. There are compromises one makes with every candidate, as no candidate is going to line up 100% with your views. Some people may think this racial bias the only dimension that matters, but I don't think Trump is de facto defined by his views on race in the same way that Neo-Nazi's are.

I'm much more concerned about a president who has never held elected office, making it unclear what his commitments or proposed policies actually are. We have not done this since Eisenhower (and at least he showed actual signs of leadership prior to the presidency).

Racism is a fundamental part of his campaign. To vote for trump you may feel that you are free of worry/consequence, and thus don't mind.

 

[Measley]

I don't think Neo Nazi's really have economic plans as they don't have anything to implement those plans with, no government nothing. Maybe their savings account.

http://www.americannaziparty.com/platform/index.php

Sound familiar?

And no I don't think trump is out there chanting white power and saying he hates niggers.

Yes he is. He's just saying it in coded language. Which is why he wouldn't openly condemn David Duke and the KKK's endorsement.

Trump is actually saying "I love the mexican people, they love me" or "i love the blacks, they love me" etc. It isn't a valid comparison.

Yeah, Mexicans are just rapist or murderers, and are too racially biased to make logical decisions on legal cases.

Also his comments about Barack Obama and his past activities make it pretty clear how he views black people.

 

[Future]

Calling people that vote trump racists might make people feel better, but politics is more complicated than that. As with any candidate, people are always able to look past flaws or issues to vote for specific things they want. And I believe a lot of people do that with trump.

Because let's face it: race specific shit doesn't hit home for lots of people. We saw it even on the democratic side as Bernie supporters didn't understand why minorities weren't supporting in mass. It's easy for people to ignore it to get what they want. And calling them racists for doing that probably makes their resolve even stronger

Fact of the matter is everyone is playing the corrupt angle with Clinton. Moreso than the last previous elections for sure. And it is hitting home regardless if the facts really support it. Since trump is anti establishment in general, he gets a lot of unexpected support whether people want to admit it or not.

 

[Big Baybee]

No its not. It's like saying voting for one of the candidates as to not elect the other doesn't make you a bigot.

Actually that's exactly what I'm saying.

A vote for a bigot is a vote for a bigot. Crazy how people admire Trump for his "straight talk" but act as if they are incapable of it themselves. How is this even in question?

 

[Armaros]

That much is obvious. In America, being perceived as a bigot is worse than supporting bigoted viewpoints and policies.

Not just the US, Brexit is showing the same phenomenon.

 

[Pepboy]

Who gives a fuck? What difference does it make if they admit they're voting for his racist ass or not? They're still doing it.

And they're still racists.

I think the problem is that it may help win this election (which is already mostly in the bag) at the expense of future elections and further dividing the country. As most liberals seem unwilling to recognize that people may vote for a candidate for a variety of reasons and instead jump to unnecessary name calling, the political divide grows and becomes more extreme.

It also lends itself to unnecessarily violence, like with many liberal protestors attacking Trump supporters merely for attending rallies. On the basis that they are justified to do so because they perceive every Trump supporter as racist.

 

[The Technomancer]

I think the problem is that it may help win this election (which is already mostly in the bag) at the expense of future elections and further dividing the country. As most liberals seem unwilling to recognize that people may vote for a candidate for a variety of reasons and instead jump to unnecessary name calling, the political divide grows and becomes more extreme.

It also lends itself to unnecessarily violence, like with many liberal protestors attacking Trump supporters merely for attending rallies. On the basis that they are justified to do so because they perceive every Trump supporter as racist.

Trump is not Romney. Trump is not McCain. Sorry if the stuff Trump says every week isn't a dealbreaker for you, you are either a bigot or you are completely fine with a bigot having massive power, which is effectively the same thing to the people effected.

 

[Armaros]

I think the problem is that it may help win this election (which is already mostly in the bag) at the expense of future elections and further dividing the country. As most liberals seem unwilling to recognize that people may vote for a candidate for a variety of reasons and instead jump to unnecessary name calling, the political divide grows and becomes more extreme.

It also lends itself to unnecessarily violence, like with many liberal protestors attacking Trump supporters merely for attending rallies. On the basis that they are justified to do so because they perceive every Trump supporter as racist.

We are reducing to calling people who support a bigot and a demagogue, name calling now? In order to lessen the impact of voting for someone like Trump?

And the 'liberals are thecause of the political divide by name calling'

Did you sleep for the past 8 years? And miss 8 years of 'stop Obama at all costs' obstructionism?

'Obama is no a real American'
'Obama doesn't love America'
Etc?

But no it's Liberals fault of course

 

[Suikoguy]

This is why people will not openly support trump but will vote for him. They don't want to put up with people calling them bigots for not supporting hillary.



I don't think Neo Nazi's really have economic plans as they don't have anything to implement those plans with, no government nothing. Maybe their savings account.

And no I don't think trump is out there chanting white power and saying he hates niggers.

Trump is actually saying "I love the mexican people, they love me" or "i love the blacks, they love me" etc. It isn't a valid comparison.

Wait, you actually... really?

Well folks, we now know the intended audience of those comments by Trump.

 

[TAJ]

Also his comments about Barack Obama and his past activities make it pretty clear how he views black people.

He first made it into the news by refusing to rent his dad's apartments to black people.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

I feel as though im bringing the thread in circles. I feel everyone is entitled to their political views and it doesn't necessarily define them as a person.

And I don't belive a vote for Trump is a bigot membership application either. Politics don't revolve around one (albeit his main) aspect of his campaign, as hateful and shitty as it is.

I myself won't look at people differently for voting Trump or treat them differently. And in my honest opinion neither should any of you. Everyone is entitled to a vote and an opinion, regardless of whether you agree with their choice or not.

 

[Pepboy]

We reducing to calling people who support a bigot and a demagogue, name calling now?

And the 'liberals are th cause of the political divide'

Did you sleep for the past 8 years? And miss 8 years of 'stop Obama at all costs' obstructionism?

I didn't say the liberals are the cause of the political divide -- I think this is something I (and many others) really admire Obama for, his tireless effort at trying to bridge the gap even when faced with insurmountable odds. He's weathered the Tea Party like a champ.

I'm saying it does contribute to it, which would be okay by itself, but in a way that promotes unnecessary violence.

 

[Iorv3th]

Wait, you actually... really?

I am not saying I don't think he has misguided views and says stupid shit. But I don't think he's on the same level as Neo Nazi's in his racism.

 

[Slayven]

I feel as though im bringing the thread in circles. I feel everyone is entitled to their political views and it doesn't necessarily define them as a person.

And I don't belive a vote for Trump is a bigot membership application either. Politics don't revolve around one (albeit his main) aspect of his campaign, as hateful and shitty as it is.

I myself won't look at people differently for voting Trump or treat them differently. And in my honest opinion neither should any of you. Everyone is entitled to a vote and an opinion, regardless of whether you agree with their choice or not.

What else has his campaign been about? What policies and positions does he champion?

Golf courses in Scotland?

 

[Vicetrailia]

I feel as though im bringing the thread in circles. I feel everyone is entitled to their political views and it doesn't necessarily define them as a person.

And I don't belive a vote for Trump is a bigot membership application either. Politics don't revolve around one (albeit his main) aspect of his campaign, as hateful and shitty as it is.

I myself won't look at people differently for voting Trump or treat them differently. And in my honest opinion neither should any of you. Everyone is entitled to a vote and an opinion, regardless of whether you agree with their choice or not.

You are looking at this as someone who isn't on the receiving end of trumps rhetoric. So you may just not mind it.

 

[Future]

I didn't say the liberals are the cause of the political divide -- I think this is something I (and many others) really admire Obama for, his tireless effort at trying to bridge the gap even when faced with insurmountable odds. He's weathered the Tea Party like a champ.

I'm saying it does contribute to it, which would be okay by itself, but in a way that promotes unnecessary violence.

I think it's very hard for liberals to understand how easy it is for people to ignore issues with race. Even if you aren't a racist, it's easy to choose to ignore racial issues. And many vocal liberals will equate doing that with racism

 

[Suikoguy]

I am not saying I don't think he has misguided views and says stupid shit. But I don't think he's on the same level as Neo Nazi's in his racism.

Well yeah, it's cloaked in bullshit and dog whistles. With a good degree of overt Xenophobia and Racism.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

This is why people will not openly support trump but will vote for him. They don't want to put up with people calling them bigots for not supporting hillary.



I don't think Neo Nazi's really have economic plans as they don't have anything to implement those plans with, no government nothing. Maybe their savings account.

And no I don't think trump is out there chanting white power and saying he hates niggers.

Trump is actually saying "I love the mexican people, they love me" or "i love the blacks, they love me" etc. It isn't a valid comparison.

Oh yeah, he's only advocated violence against black protesters, painted mexicans as rapists, made fun of the mentally disabled, pushed the sterotype of Jews being shrewd with money, suggested yellow starring a religious minority, and happily retweeted accounts run by white supremacist and neo-nazi groups, among a mountain of other horrible shit.

Let's not overreact here, guys, at least he didn't flat out call somebody a nigger!

 

[Iorv3th]

Oh yeah, he's only advocated violence against black protesters, painted mexicans as rapists, made fun of the mentally disabled, pushed the sterotype of Jews being shrewd with money, suggested yellow starring a religious minority, and happily retweeted accounts run by white supremacist and neo-nazi groups, among a mountain of other horrible shit.

Let's not overreact here, guys, at least he didn't flat out call somebody a nigger!

I'm sure those voters that only watch the news on TV and don't use twitter saw all of these things.

 

[Slayven]

People call out "PC culture" and other stuff, but when they asked to talk freely they get mighty quiet and wishy washy. Speak your truth,

 

[The Adder]

I feel as though im bringing the thread in circles. I feel everyone is entitled to their political views and it doesn't necessarily define them as a person.

And I don't belive a vote for Trump is a bigot membership application either. Politics don't revolve around one (albeit his main) aspect of his campaign, as hateful and shitty as it is.

I myself won't look at people differently for voting Trump or treat them differently. And in my honest opinion neither should any of you. Everyone is entitled to a vote and an opinion, regardless of whether you agree with their choice or not.

I hate when people say trite nonsense like this.

Judging people based on their actions is in no way preventing them from exercising their right to think or vote however they want to. If they want to vote for a racist, they are free to vote for a racist. And I am free to judge them as being racists for having voted pro-racist.

 

[TAJ]

Since trump is anti establishment in general, he gets a lot of unexpected support whether people want to admit it or not.

He's only been against the establishment because they're in the way of him taking power. Normally he is the establishment. As someone said earlier he's not had many chances to be corrupted but he's a corrupter. When he got sued over his not-university he just greased palms like he learned from his dad as a kid.
It's not surprising that the people who fail to see that believe him when he says that Mexicans love him. (spoiler: They really, really don't.)

 

[Slayven]

He's only been against the establishment because they're in the way of him taking power. Normally he is the establishment. He's the other side of the corruption coin. When he got sued over his not-university he just greased palms like he learned from his dad as a kid.
It's not surprising that the people who fail to see that believe him when he says that Mexicans love him. (spoiler: They really, really don't.)

This Primary season has destroyed the meaning of establishment and anti establishment

 

[theecakee]

Well maybe we will get a do over like Brexit will!

/s

 

[The Technomancer]

This Primary season has destroyed the meaning of establishment and anti establishment

Oh god I saw some stuff floating around on Twitter about how Warren was part of the establishment, conveniently after she started showing up with Hillary

 

[Slayven]

Oh god I saw some stuff floating around on Twitter about how Warren was part of the establishment, conveniently after she started showing up with Hillary

I knew it was done when Planned Parenthood became part of the establishment. Cause you know BIG GOVERNMENT loves championing women's health and reproductive rights

 

[TAJ]

This Primary season has destroyed the meaning of establishment and anti establishment

The Tea Party did that years ago.

 

[Measley]

He first made it into the news by refusing to rent his dad's apartments to black people.

Yep.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

I'm sure those voters that only watch the news on TV and don't use twitter saw all of these things.

Most of the shit I listed is stuff he's said and done at televised rallies.

 

[Future]

He's only been against the establishment because they're in the way of him taking power. Normally he is the establishment. As someone said earlier he's not had many chances to be corrupted but he's a corrupter. When he got sued over his not-university he just greased palms like he learned from his dad as a kid.
It's not surprising that the people who fail to see that believe him when he says that Mexicans love him. (spoiler: They really, really don't.)

Political establishment. People oddly applaud any financial corruption he may have under his belt because they equate that with being able to make America great at the expense of other nations (making Mexico pay for the wall for example)

Trumps definitely a part of the "system." But he ain't a politician for sure. And it's smart for trump to push this concept because it's a theme strong enough for people to ignore his antics. You see it in threads all over GAF: Clinton too politically corrupt, I just cannot vote for her! And if you think the attacks on trump are more about being PC than being an actual bigot, then you are voting trump

 

[Slayven]

Most of the shit I listed is stuff he's said and done at televised rallies.

then double downed on them in one on one tv interviews

 

[Aiii]

Can you not give a blank vote in the US?

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

This is why people will not openly support trump but will vote for him. They don't want to put up with people calling them bigots for not supporting hillary.



I don't think Neo Nazi's really have economic plans as they don't have anything to implement those plans with, no government nothing. Maybe their savings account.

And no I don't think trump is out there chanting white power and saying he hates niggers.

Trump is actually saying "I love the mexican people, they love me" or "i love the blacks, they love me" etc. It isn't a valid comparison.

Lol are you serious guy?