India Cultural Minister to female tourists: "Don't wear skirts here"
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valkillmore
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What about the dudes
Not a bad advice.
It's a pretty basic recommandation.
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/asia-indian-subcontinent/india/dresscode-india
It's a pretty basic recommandation.
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/asia-indian-subcontinent/india/dresscode-india
Turin Turambar
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Well, he is being realistic.
exmachina64
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On the one hand, I can see how it's read as misogyny and victim blaming and on the other, I can see it as practical advice in a country with high levels of sexual assault and gender inequality.
Gordon Shumway
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Unless you want that unsolicited pipe. Bah..who are we kidding. It'd still happen if you wore slacks. Enjoy your stay!
SomedayTheFire
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Better advice. That and tell men to stop raping people.
Otakumegane
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Shouldn't you cover your legs for reasons other than possible rape in a country such as India where sanitation is an issue and they're famous for their snakes?
I know I'm supposed to go "OH MY GERD, HOW DARE HE."
But no, this is solid advice for tourists, it's a safety tip. The country isn't going to change its rape culture overnight and if you're coming into it as a tourist, it's good to know the risks of what can happen there. Should it need to be a safety tip? No, but the risk is there and people should be informed.
But no, this is solid advice for tourists, it's a safety tip. The country isn't going to change its rape culture overnight and if you're coming into it as a tourist, it's good to know the risks of what can happen there. Should it need to be a safety tip? No, but the risk is there and people should be informed.
How does one go about telling men to stop raping people beyond making it illegal, which I assume it is in India. Srs question because I see this suggestion by multiple people in every thread on this topic.
Pretty much this. It shouldn't be a problem but it is and until it's solved precautions can help safety. I don't really see it as victim blaming in this case.
Gordon Shumway
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Ha.
Ha!
Is that hidden in the TOS somewhere? Seems no one else here has done that either..😕
And yet the guy is broadly criticized.
Least100Seraphs
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The thing is, I've yet to see any recgonised studies, research or data, that shows a statistically significant difference between skirts and pants when it comes to incidences of rape.
On the surface, "don't wear skirts" might sound to you like reasonable advice, like saying "don't leave your front door unlocked" or "don't leave valuables in your car in plain view".
The difference is that a thief working his way through a car park has hundreds of cars to choose from but probably only enough time to break into a few, so he's going to look for the one with an unlocked door, or with an iPad on the passenger seat. Because that's increasing his chances of succesfully stealing.
When a group of men decide they're going to abduct and rape someone, it just isn't very likely that the five seconds they save by not having to unbuckle a belt or pull down some jeans is a factor. That's not what makes a woman a more attractive target.*
*YMMV, IANAR.
crazy monkey
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Lack of education, poverty, the fact that many families want boys and not girls created a gender imbalance,
Not disagreeing with you on that either, and it's obviously a problem that needs fixing at the root not band-aids for the symptoms. I am just not seeing how any safety precaution regardless of how ineffective it may be equals victim blaming. They have an obvious issue and seem to be grasping at preventive straws, not saying this will solve it or that it's on women, at least at the moment.
It's obviously something that needs to be focused on for fixing.
crazy monkey
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What are the stats comparatively? We are looking at a billionpeople.
Education starts from school materials, childrens stories, entertainment. Rape culture surrounds us from every direction and there is not one single avenue to change it. We need a total transformation in how men are raised.
He's not blaming women. He's giving safety advice. India knows it has a problem, the problem won't resolve itself overnight.
KurtSloane
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And yet an overwhelming majority don't rape, cant educate the lowlife out of a person.
Grimm Fandango
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Yeah I don't see it as victim blaming (or at least it better not become one if it happened and Indians blamed the victim's clothing).
The root of the problem is incredibly hard to counter and vast given the population. Education at both the indigenous people and tourist level sounds reasonable to me.
Rapes reported are just a small fraction of the reality. That is the sad and dark nature of sexual crime.
KurtSloane
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So you are insinuating the majority of men or anywhere close to it rape?
Rape culture is a theory pushed out by feminists, doesn't make it fact.
It is insulting to men, we are being programmed to rape by society and culture? Utter nonsense.
LegendofJoe
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And this is why I have absolutely no desire to visit India.
There are no useful stats since poor countries dont report the vast majority of their rapes. Even the violent ones.
Gordon Shumway
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Exactly. If he came out and said "it's these people's fault because they wear skirts/dresses" that's an entirely different matter.
crazy monkey
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The one that make media usually involve foreign tourists so i thought that might be available. Other i do no think there might be stats unless you ask local police branch.
Messofanego
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Are you allergic to facts?
It's a huge problem in the US too. I believe the stats say that like 20-30% of women in college get raped. The ones in India that make headlines are insane gang rapes though which don't really happen here.
As for why I am not sure.
Garrett Hawke
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I mean, according to the US gov, 18% of women have been sexually assaulted in their lifetime. That's nearly 1 in 5. So it's definitely not a "few bad eggs", there is a genuine issue with how consent and respect are taught in our culture and portrayed in media.
That sounds absolutely ridiculous. I'm gonna need some receipts for this number.
Exactly.
It's like telling tourists not to go out at night in Rio. Problems are not going to dissappear that easily, it takes a long time of education and work to fix things. It's best to warn tourists thinking of going to help prevent anything happening to them.
That's what I was told in law school.
2 minutes of Google show that the stats are not agreed upon. Here is one site that says it is 1 in 4.
http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php
It's pretty simple; you explain what sexual assault is, and you tell people not to do it, it's the law, etc.
As for how to get the message out? Well, maybe they could get an Indian government official on board with the plan, who could work with others in the cabinet to promote the message and the policy. Maybe, I dunno... the Minister of Culture?
You don't need the majority of men being rapists for the phenomena of being a huge problem. And the percentage is insanely huge, huge enough to call it "culture".
Because they have lots of Boys only schools and Women are secluded.
Right. Many rapists are in fact serial rapists. Recent efforts to force states to finish testing their backlog of rape kits has shown this.
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