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[SomedayTheFire]

So you are insinuating the majority of men or anywhere close to it rape?

Rape culture is a theory pushed out by feminists, doesn't make it fact.


It is insulting to men, we are being programmed to rape by society and culture? Utter nonsense.

That's not what rape culture means, though. Rape culture is what causes women to fear walking alone at night. It's why anti rape condoms have had to be made in South Africa. It's not "every man is a rapist", it's that pretty much every woman fears that they could be raped.

 

[Byakuya769]

India Cultural Minister to me: Don't come here.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

That's not what rape culture means, though. Rape culture is what causes women to fear walking alone at night. It's why anti rape condoms have had to be made in South Africa. It's not "every man is a rapist", it's that pretty much every woman fears that they could be raped.

Is that really rape culture though? I always thought rape culture was meaning some encouragement of rape through media or persisting old fashion ideals ("she was playing hard to get/her lips said no but her body said yes"), or at the very least minimizing occurrence/impact of rape within society.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Orientalism is still alive when it comes to India and white hipsters.


Tumeric.

 

[Stinkles]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ter-‘don’t-wear-skirts’/ar-AAigNUa?li=BBnb7Kz

Welp

Whenever you have to warn visitors to your country that they might get raped, it's time to address what's wrong with your country. having traveled there with female acquaintances I can tell you without any exaggeration that foreign women are stared at by young and middle aged men more or less constantly. Strange, intense, burning stares. I am not exaggerating.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Is that really rape culture though? I always thought rape culture was meaning some encouragement of rape through media or persisting old fashion ideals ("she was playing hard to get/her lips said no but her body said yes"), or at the very least minimizing occurrence/impact of rape within society.

That's part of it as well. My post mostly meant rape culture isn't "all men are rapists". I just posted once aspect of it.

 

[voodoojohn]

Most Indian people are a generation removed from the village, if that. Landing in their country as a hyper-sexy 21st century woman from the West is going to give them a heart attack. So yea, wear pants please.

 

[dakilla13]

Whenever you have to warn visitors to your country that they might get raped, it's time to address what's wrong with your country. having traveled there with female acquaintances I can tell you without any exaggeration that foreign women are stared at by young and middle aged men more or less constantly. Strange, intense, burning stares. I am not exaggerating.

That's not that strange though. White person sticking out in a sea of brown people. FWIW I'm brown male and when I visited Warsaw a couple years ago, I got stared at a ton.

 

[Stinkles]

That's not that strange though. White person sticking out in a sea of brown people. FWIW I'm brown male and when I visited Warsaw a couple years ago, I got stared at a ton.

They weren't staring at me or the other very white dudes. It was a real, specific phenomenon.

 

[AstroNut325]

They weren't staring at me or the other very white dudes. It was a real, specific phenomenon.

Happens to my wife too. And she's a native born Indian.

They still have a century or so before they'll be at where the US is culture wise.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Why is wearing a skirt unsafe? Should women also not wear makeup? Maybe they should damage their faces and get fat, too.

It's just advice, girls. We're just looking out for you. All of you.

 

[Mesoian]

Shitty misogyny and old fogey values.

While true, I wouldn't want anyone that I cared about to be the one to push boundaries here.

Why is wearing a skirt unsafe? Should women also not wear makeup? Maybe they should damage their faces and get fat, too.

It's just advice, girls. We're just looking out for you. All of you.

I mean, you're not wrong, but at the same time, if you're a black man that's getting pulled over, turning your radio down, having your license and registration ready and giving short direct answers is good advice. Because if you don't, you might get shot to death.

That's not the way it should be, but that's how it is.

India Culture Minsiter to me: Don't come here.

100%

If a country can't insist that visitation within using your cultural norms would be a safe and open experience, don't go there.

You CAN go to North Korea for reasons of tourism. That doesn't mean you SHOULD.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Better yet, don't go to India.

Better advice. That and tell men to stop raping people.

Yup, these two posts pretty much say it all. Things are not safe for women in India. Sure, don't push boundaries outside your home country, but essentially this is a very polite "I would recommend not coming here as your cultural dress does not meet our standards and we have a rape problem, especially when people wear what's considered normal in the West." Don't go there.

I repeat, don't go to India, ladies!

 

[Karkador]

That's not the way it should be, but that's how it is.

Somebody in a leadership position should be the one saying "how it should be" (even if you don't think much of a Cultural Minister position). They should definitely not be declaring to the world that Indians will be Indians. That's not leadership addressing the problem.

 

[Mesoian]

Somebody in a leadership position should be the one saying "how it should be" (even if you don't think much of a Cultural Minister position). They should definitely not be declaring to the world that Indians will be Indians. That's not leadership addressing the problem.

You are absolutely correct.

And them doing the opposite of that is a pretty good endorsement to not go there.

 

[Stinkles]

Happens to my wife too. And she's a native born Indian.

They still have a century or so before they'll be at where the US is culture wise.

Yep. It's a thing:

http://thisisexpatindia.com/understanding-cultural-differences-staring/

 

[voodoojohn]

Happens to my wife too. And she's a native born Indian.

They still have a century or so before they'll be at where the US is culture wise.

Another ten years of internet penetration and use should get Indian people used to how Westerners dress and groom, if that's what you mean. Americans should avoid comparing their "culture" to India's if they don't want to sound foolish.

 

[AstroNut325]

Another ten years of internet penetration and use should get Indian people used to how Westerners dress and groom, if that's what you mean. Americans should avoid comparing their "culture" to India's if they don't want to sound foolish.

I meant from the perspective of a culture shift where the women of India are treated a equals, can dress how they want, aren't forced into relationships, and not be in fear wherever they're out at night.

Not saying the USA is perfect I'm this regard by any stretch. I'm simply saying it'll be another century or so before they get to the western levels treatment of women. I say this as someone who as someone was born in Mumbai and raised in a small town near Surat, Gujrat.

Edit:
Speaking of India I'm a broad sense. If all you do is go to the touristy areas or the super rich areas, they're pretty far along. Leave major cities and it's not so pleasant.

 

[voodoojohn]

I meant from the perspective of a culture shift where the women of India are treated a equals, can dress how they want, aren't forced into relationships, and not be in fear wherever they're out at night. .

These are pretty vague pronouncements, and even as someone from India, I don't know if you should be confident in saying this is how things generally are. Even if they are, it's certainly not due to the culture, which is the collective wisdom of a people that has been passed down over the centuries. If anything, it's due to an inability of the people to tap into that collective wisdom for lack of being educated.

 

[torre_avenue]

And this is why I have absolutely no desire to visit India.

I'm sure if we're judging whole countries based on what older people in government positions have to say about rape, you have absolutely no desire to live in the US right? Or have we forgotten about "if it's legitimate rape, the body shuts down" and the like?

Before I get accused of defending victim-blaming, all I'm saying is that based on the statement of one person in a position of power, you're basically writing off India as some sort of haven for rape. And that's an incredibly shitty thing to do. And let me make it incredibly clear: India's issues with gender are inexcusable. You shouldn't be afraid to leave your child at home because your afraid something wrong can happen, you shouldn't be afraid to venture outside alone, nor should you be afraid that you will get assaulted if you wear something a court will deem "inviting." That's horrifically awful on so many levels. But, at the same time, it is infuriating to see comments basically saying if you are a woman and you go to India, you're going to get raped as if it were some sort of definite causation.

You can't just write off a whole country because of things one person has said or that's the only highly publicized thing you seen from there. And if you bothered to read the article, it even says:

Officials, including the chief minister of Delhi, Arvind Kejriwal, and other critics on social media denounced Mr. Sharma’s suggestion.

That'd be like somebody saying the entirety of the US is unsafe for women because someone said "I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God. And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

 

[Pancake Mix]

Another ten years of internet penetration and use should get Indian people used to how Westerners dress and groom, if that's what you mean. Americans should avoid comparing their "culture" to India's if they don't want to sound foolish.

A thread where women are being told not to wear skirts is not a thread to put American culture in quotes or speak about penetration...

 

[SturokBGD]

Same for here in Canada but only during certain months and for an entirely different reason.

 

[Aki-at]

Absolutely mental, but I'm sadly not surprised.

Wearing or not wearing skirts is not going to stop rapists.

What about the dudes

I'll give you my lungi when you take it from my cold, dead hands.

 

[Polioliolio]

Better advice. That and tell men to stop raping people.

"Uhh.. Hey Men? Stop raping people, okay?

.....

Noo?.. Oh.. O-okay."

Probably better to stay out of rapey places until they join the 21st century.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

Better yet, don't go to India.

/Thread
Honestly after so many high profile cases I am baffled women still visit India.

 

[SystemBug]

India is trying to get on top of it's rape problem. Other members on shitting on India like the people in the country aren't trying. They are.

 

[Abounder]

Most countries have rape cultures but Asian countries take it to another level since they favor sons and have a gender ratio imbalance to show for it especially India. Yeesh at the warning but at least it's honest.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

How does one go about telling men to stop raping people beyond making it illegal, which I assume it is in India. Srs question because I see this suggestion by multiple people in every thread on this topic.

Use this:

 

[Stinkles]

Another ten years of internet penetration and use should get Indian people used to how Westerners dress and groom, if that's what you mean. Americans should avoid comparing their "culture" to India's if they don't want to sound foolish.

If you're worried about people sounding foolish, you could start by not putting the word "culture" in quotes in a thread about the differences in culture. Including those identified by, you know, people from India. Like its "cultural" minister.

 

[Discotheque]

Exactly.

It's like telling tourists not to go out at night in Rio. Problems are not going to dissappear that easily, it takes a long time of education and work to fix things. It's best to warn tourists thinking of going to help prevent anything happening to them.

Basically. That statement isn't dismissing or condoning anything. But it is valuable advice that should be heeded

 

[voodoojohn]

If you're worried about people sounding foolish, you could start by not putting the word "culture" in quotes in a thread about the differences in culture. Including those identified by, you know, people from India. Like its "cultural" minister.

The differences are socioeconomic, fundamentally, not cultural. Sheltered people with close connections to a rural heritage anywhere in the world would have a hard time adjusting to the presence of women in skintight or revealing clothing.

 

[Reverend Funk]

Use this:

Damn this thing is hot I gotta get one for all my kinky business

 

[DXLelouch153]

Use this:

pls tell me thats not real

 

[jay]

And yet an overwhelming majority don't rape, cant educate the lowlife out of a person.

So why do different places have different rates of sexual assault, or any crime for that matter? You sound like you're on the tip of something really big here... what if some people have more evil genes than other people, and we can sort them out by their nationality?

These are pretty vague pronouncements, and even as someone from India, I don't know if you should be confident in saying this is how things generally are. Even if they are, it's certainly not due to the culture, which is the collective wisdom of a people that has been passed down over the centuries. If anything, it's due to an inability of the people to tap into that collective wisdom for lack of being educated.

You just defined culture as positive to win the argument that this can't be culture because culture is positive.

 

[Stinkles]

The differences are socioeconomic, fundamentally, not cultural. Sheltered people with close connections to a rural heritage anywhere in the world would have a hard time adjusting to the presence of women in skintight or revealing clothing.

If you don't think culture is affected by socio economic conditions and vice versa, I'm not sure what to tell you. Seems like you're getting hung up on the idea of cultural superiority or relativism and ignoring the fact that American (for example) and Indian cultures are massively different in their treatment of gender, class and subsets of both.

It's absolutely cultural.

 

[ezrarh]

/Thread
Honestly after so many high profile cases I am baffled women still visit India.

Considering their issues with poor sanitation, I wouldn't go there as a guy either. But I do have a somewhat compromised immune system so it's a bigger worry for me.

 

[voodoojohn]

If you don't think culture is affected by socio economic conditions and vice versa, I'm not sure what to tell you. Seems like you're getting hung up on the idea of cultural superiority or relativism and ignoring the fact that American (for example) and Indian cultures are massively different in their treatment of gender, class and subsets of both.

It's absolutely cultural.

You don't know enough about or understand the culture well enough to say it's cultural. It's not even relativism if you only understand one variable in a two variable comparison... it's you talking out of your ass.

 

[Stinkles]

/Thread
Honestly after so many high profile cases I am baffled women still visit India.

Well because it's a fantastic and fascinating country with amazing sights, sounds, tastes, people and experiences. Most uninitiated western women will definitely encounter invasive staring and potentially worse, but most won't encounter any danger per se. Balancing some discomfort if forewarned is well worth it in my, and the opinion of many female business and leisure travelers I've known.

.

You don't know enough about or understand the culture well enough to say it's cultural. It's not even relativism if you only understand one variable in a two variable comparison... it's you talking out of your ass.

You just finished telling an Indian guy he didn't know what he was talking about.

You're completely out of your depth.

 

[voodoojohn]

Well because it's a fantastic and fascinating country with amazing sights, sounds, tastes, people and experiences. Most uninitiated western women will definitely encounter invasive staring and potentially worse, but most won't encounter any danger per se. Balancing some discomfort if forewarned is well worth it in my, and the opinion of many female business and leisure travelers I've known.

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You just finished telling an Indian guy he didn't know what he was talking about.

You're completely out of your depth.

Once again, just because you're Indian does not mean you know what you're talking about. You've bought into the bullshit idea that all liberal and progressive ideas originated in the West, and that's sad.

 

[Messofanego]

Use this:

As Seen On TV meets religion in the best of ways XD Too bad it's fake.

 

[jay]

Once again, just because you're Indian does not mean you know what you're talking about. You've bought into the bullshit idea that all liberal and progressive ideas originated in the West, and that's sad.

So if you are not Indian you don't know, and if you are you may still not know. Could you refer me to a PhD in Indian studies I can start taking so I may be able to one day discuss your bizarre, hugely over-defensive posts?

 

[Stinkles]

Once again, just because you're Indian does not mean you know what you're talking about. You've bought into the bullshit idea that all liberal and progressive ideas originated in the West, and that's sad.

Hahah wtf.

 

[voodoojohn]

Hahah wtf.

Yea dude, you're so much better than the folks back home. You're pathetic.

 

[ASIS]

Once again, just because you're Indian does not mean you know what you're talking about. You've bought into the bullshit idea that all liberal and progressive ideas originated in the West, and that's sad.

i'm pretty sure skirts are primarily a western garment though.

 

[Stinkles]

Yea dude, you're so much better than the folks back home. You're pathetic.

I've been on GAF a long time and you are just spectacular.

And I wasn't going to bother correcting you because I was enjoying the idea of you telling TWO Indian dudes you knew more about Indian culture than they did, but I was actually talking about the dude from Gujrat you scolded earlier with your sophomoric oblivious ranting.

 

[torre_avenue]

/Thread
Honestly after so many high profile cases I am baffled women still visit India.

Maybe because said women likely see the news for what it is; anomalies?

 

[voodoojohn]

I've been on GAF a long time and you are just spectacular.

And I wasn't going to bother correcting you because I was enjoying the idea of you telling TWO Indian dudes you knew more about Indian culture than they did, but I was actually talking about the dude from Gujrat you scolded earlier with your sophomoric oblivious ranting.

You're a tool. I'm Indian too, and I'm pretty certain I understand the culture better than you. Sorry!

 

[jay]

I'm devising a test to see who in this thread is most Indian and therefore we should all listen to.

 

[Stinkles]

You're a tool. I'm Indian too, and I'm pretty certain I understand the culture better than you. Sorry!

But you just told two "Indians" that being Indian didn't qualify them to know about the culture.


So now it DOES qualify you?


OK DUDE!

However you have no fucking idea what the word culture means, entails or contains, so if you have the slightest lick of sense (spoiler: you don't, so I eagerly await the resplendence of your next magnificent post) you'll back away slowly.

 

[voodoojohn]

But you just told two "Indians" that being Indian didn't qualify them to know about the culture.


So now it DOES qualify you?


OK DUDE!

However you have no fucking idea what the word culture means, entails or contains, so if you have the slightest lick of sense (spoiler: you don't, so I eagerly await the resplendence of your next magnificent post) you'll back away slowly.

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