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[n0razi]

It just seems like this is being rushed out for no reason. If it's for PSVR, I don't think they have done a good job selling it.

It will probably be sold out by the end of the day honestly

 

[valkillmore]

The PSVR argument makes absolutely no sense to me. Perhaps I'm not understanding.

I was under the impression that all PSVR games are reprojected to 120 fps anyways. So why then did Cerny specifically mention framerate in regard to PS4 Pro and PSVR, when so long as you lock in 60fps (which is a PSVR development no-exceptions requirement) you'll be fine?

The only benefit Pro has w PSVR is extra graphics shit, right? Which is great, true. But, frame rate was mentioned. Very odd.

Even before Pro was announced people were saying they'll get a Pro if they want PSVR, because of performance. That makes no sense to me. Please show me why I don't understand.

 

[Smokey_Run]

There is no way their next iteration will be at the same level of the Scorpio. It will be a decent amount more powerful, as it should be.

I expect it too, but I also expect them to try to stick to a $400 price point. Whatever they can fit in a box for that much, that's what it'll be and I feel like it will be 2018 now.

 

[Exploratory]

They most likely don't want to position themselves against the Scorpio next year. It's a PlayStation world right now. Scorpio likely won't change that but why risk it?

 

[Occam]

"Rushed" wasn't what came to mind when I heard about the lack of 4k BD drive.
More like "designed by monkeys".

 

[Risk Breaker]

The thing leaked many months ago. It's definitely not being rushed to the market.

It's been 3 years since PS4's launch. It'll be 3 more years until PS5. The timing is just perfect.

 

[djplaeskool]

Hand being forced by the 4K illuminati

 

[Inuhanyou]

There's only like 20 games released and unreleased who benefits from the Pro as of now.

Sounds like it's rushed to me.

That's what it was supposed to do to begin with. its up to devs to support games before NEO's release, and its mandated that all games have NEO support after NEO release.

It has nothing to do with being rushed.

I tried my best, but it seems a lot of people didn't understand the basic concept.


4K BR is really the only unexpected thing, but i guess it was either that or a higher price for them

 

[CrimsonGun]

My prediction is they don't want the console to go against the Scorpio. Rather have a 1 year head start.

 

[Riddler]

it's a mid gen refresh, it's right on time.

I don't care what MS say Scorpio is, that's a new console, not a half step.

Exactly this my Slim,Kinetic Console, Redesign console purchase that I think some do anyways.

It's perfect timing I think.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

My prediction is they don't want the console to go against the Scorpio. Rather have a 1 year head start.

This has been their plan for years, a sony exec hinted at this last year.

 

[mejin]

My prediction is they don't want the console to go against the Scorpio. Rather have a 1 year head start.

Or maybe they had a plan and are just sticking to it.

 

[DevilFox]

They want to take advantage of the holidays to sell more units as well as 4k and HDR TVs (and PSVR). Also, they don't want to be too close to Scorpio for obvious reasons.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

It only feels that way because Microsoft played the trap card.

 

[Formosa]

Look how much Apple is making. Sony is trying to be like Apple and will release new hardware more often now. Trust me... It will sell.

It's simple... If you care about upgraded graphics and want to be on top of the game, get the Pro.

 

[FrozenCell]

they are delaying it imo

leaks were out since ages, should have announced it at E3

I hoped to get one in Sept

 

[Clear]

Perfect timing to try to stick a coup-de-grace to Xbox's competitive chances.

Gain enough ground over the next 12 months and Scorpio will start too far behind to ever offer a significant threat to their dominance.

Entry level covered by Slim, enthusiast/higher-income market by Pro, PSVR for the futurists, all backed by a pre-existing install-base and mindshare advantage and maximum 3rd party support.

That's a strong hand to play.

 

[Biggzy]

I am amazed that they are actually going to release 3 new pieces of hardware at around the same time.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

it's so that they can continue to have a premium priced SKU on the market. This is the new life cycle for consumer electronics. The days of keeping the same product on the market for 5-7 years slowly dropping the price are over. Some of you guys are either living in the past or misreading the entire point of this thing.

 

[BigSkinny0310]

The messaging was totally off. If they focused on game improvements and what the differences are going to be for 1080p users, things would have been better. Our expectations were too high, too.

 

[DieH@rd]

I don't see how they are rushing? Plans for it were shown to the devs in march, and they are starting the sale in November. PS4 got the same timeframe, but with larger marketing push on E3 and Gamescom that year. Since this is just a upgrade, there was no need for that.

As for need for stronger hardware, APU changes require scrapping of design that went though so much testing. Changing anything can cause delays of at least 6 months, even much more if there are need for additional chip tweaking that is caused by any change.

For what it is, PS4 Pro is a good device which is a lot stronger than PS4... but for a same price as launch PS4. Plus, Sony will have the chance to lower the price $50 by the time Scorpio arrives.

I always expected 4.2TF machine, so I don't feel need to stress about hypothetical monster consoles.

The messaging was totally off. If they focused on game improvements and what the differences are going to be for 1080p users, things would have been better. Our expectations were too high, too.

I agree. The showing could have been done better, but I don't expect that the Pro will suffer much from it. Gamers will buy what they want to buy, and many will chose the hardware that gives them better experience.

 

[jbug617]

The thing leaked many months ago. It's definitely not being rushed to the market.

It's been 3 years since PS4's launch. It'll be 3 more years until PS5. The timing is just perfect.

In terms of rushed it's like why did they initially think that they needed a PS4 Pro this year.

 

[Chabbles]

They want to sell 4K TVs.

Yet they dont really focus on the 4K aspect in the system by giving it the perfect name, PS4K ?. (or including the physical drive)
Maybe they do sell some tv's initially, but slowly next year all the 4K talk starts to fizzle out similar to how Microsofts cloud talk did back leading up to the release of the XB1. And then the Pro's main purpose to aid VR will be obvious.

 

[rokkerkory]

They did not rush, planning for something like this takes at least 2 years. It was already on their roadmap.

 

[Biggzy]

In terms of rushed it's like why did they initially think that they needed a PS4 Pro this year.

My guess is that their product timetable has a PS5 for 2019. That leaves a very narrow window for a supped up PS4.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

That's what it was supposed to do to begin with. its up to devs to support games before NEO's release, and its mandated that all games have NEO support after NEO release.

It has nothing to do with being rushed.

I tried my best, but it seems a lot of people didn't understand the basic concept

Sure but since Sony is actually trying to sell this product I would expect them to provide incentives at least at launch for developers to release an patch.

Traditionally with an hardware launch (or even subscription based software launch) they would have shown a list of participating publishers and developers akin to this:

Which didn't happen here, now maybe they changed their ways since it's a different kind of launch but I personally think that they didn't use this format because as of now there's a lack of confirmed games who're taking advantage of the Pro.

 

[Portugeezer]

Perfect timing to try to stick a coup-de-grace to Xbox's competitive chances.

Gain enough ground over the next 12 months and Scorpio will start too far behind to ever offer a significant threat to their dominance.

Entry level covered by Slim, enthusiast/higher-income market by Pro, PSVR for the futurists, all backed by a pre-existing install-base and mindshare advantage and maximum 3rd party support.

That's a strong hand to play.

Scorpio had nothing to do with it, Sony already had this planned as we know with the Neo leaks that turned out accurate.

If anyone rushed it was Microsoft to announce the Scorpio ~18 months before launch, once they realised Neo was on the way.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

In terms of rushed it's like why did they initially think that they needed a PS4 Pro this year.

Why do Apple and Samsung release upgraded phones every year instead of just continuing to sell the existing ones? Upgrades/added value are the new price drops. The writing was on the wall last gen when Sony and MS both kept just adding bigger HDDs and new pack in games every year at the holidays instead of hitting that magical "$99" price point. Those days are over. These companies are adopting the phone/tablet cycle now.

 

[BigEmil]

To release PS5 in 2020

 

[gundamkyoukai]

There was nothing rush about this.
Just some gamers expecting more than they should.

 

[bidguy]

It only feels that way because Microsoft played the trap card.

 

[LukasTaves]

Perfect timing to try to stick a coup-de-grace to Xbox's competitive chances.

Gain enough ground over the next 12 months and Scorpio will start too far behind to ever offer a significant threat to their dominance.

Entry level covered by Slim, enthusiast/higher-income market by Pro, PSVR for the futurists, all backed by a pre-existing install-base and mindshare advantage and maximum 3rd party support.

That's a strong hand to play.

Indeed I is. Which makes it all the more baffling when they reiterate again that Ps4 Pro will only be supported during ps4 lifetime.

Why not announce the end of generations and the rise of iterative consoles?

 

[Baroquemantic]

Sure but since Sony is actually trying to sell this product I would expect them to provide incentives at least at launch for developers to release an patch.

Traditionally with an hardware launch (or even subscription based software launch) they would have shown a list of participating publishers and developers akin to this:






Which didn't happen here, now maybe they changed their ways since it's a different kind of launch but I personally think that they didn't use this format because as of now there's a lack of confirmed games who're taking advantage of the Pro.

They didn't need to show an image of who all will be supporting the Pro because this is still a PS4. All current and future PS4 games will work on it, so all the same devs are already making games for the Pro.

 

[Clear]

Scorpio had nothing to do with it, Sony already had this planned as we know with the Neo leaks that turned out accurate.

If anyone rushed it was Microsoft to announce the Scorpio once they realised Neo was on the way.

Yeah but the importance of launching in this financial year was strengthened greatly when MS publicly committed to Scorpio's launch timing.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Indeed I is. Which makes it all the more baffling when they reiterate again that Ps4 Pro will only be supported during ps4 lifetime.

Why not announce the end of generations and the rise of iterative consoles?

I think the margins aren't big enough as of now to expect an iterative consoles model, more like a bump every now and then to keep the momentum going.

They didn't need to show an image of who all will be supporting the Pro because this is still a PS4. All current and future PS4 games will work on it, so all the same devs are already making games for the Pro.

Nevermind forget about the mandatory Neo part going forward.

 

[NoLongerALurker]

It's gotta be for PSVR. Other than that I don't understand why it's a thing. I think they should have gone the MS route and offered us a major upgrade next year, but I'm guessing they needed it this year to help support PSVR.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

They didn't need to show an image of who all will be supporting the Pro because this is still a PS4. All current and future PS4 games will work on it, so all the same devs are already making games for the Pro.

THe major point so many people seem to be missing. This was not a brand new console. This is not the successor to the PS4. If you think a Slim (or hell even your existing PS4) are better for your needs, Sony is okay with that. That still makes you a Playstation consumer. They made it pretty clear (at least to me) that this was all part of the "PS4 Family", that they were targeting people that hadn't yet bought in more than anything (i.e. not current PS4 owners) and that the Slim was still a very viable option (hence them announcing the Slim at this very conference).

 

[Portugeezer]

Yeah but the importance of launching in this financial year was strengthened greatly when MS publicly committed to Scorpio's launch timing.

Sure, but I don't believe Scorpio influenced that in any way.

 

[Kimawolf]

Conference was definitely a rushed, no doubt there. The main thing to me was nothing felt new.

 

[The ElectrifyingAldo]

Because they have to. Releasing early is their only advantage over Scorpio.

So the 20m+ greater user install base for PS4 isn't an advantage? Crikey.

The Scorpio will be a full 4K ready Xbox One released in late 2017. Seriously, that is what the Scorpio will be, but according to folk round here the PS4 Pro is pointless because nobody has 4K TV's, so MS' full 4k ready Xbox One (it will be an Xbox One) will be only slightly less pointless for the very same reason.

I'm sorry, what are we talking about again?

 

[Otakumegane]

They are. They want to be ahead of Scorpio and NX.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

They want it rushed out so they can work on PS5 to compete with Scorpio, I thought it was obvious.

 

[justsomeguy]

Perfectly timed for psvr

 

[eerik9000]

They are. They want to be ahead of Scorpio and NX.

Scorpio is a reaction to Neo, not vice versa.

NX.... ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[fallingdove]

Indeed I is. Which makes it all the more baffling when they reiterate again that Ps4 Pro will only be supported during ps4 lifetime.

Why not announce the end of generations and the rise of iterative consoles?

When did they say that the PS4 Pro would only be supported through the PS4 lifecycle?

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Perfectly timed for psvr

If it was perfectly timed for PSVR they would have launched at the same time.

PS4 Pro isn't targeted for PSVR,

PSVR is targeted to the 40m+ users who don't want to spend $1000+ on a PC and VR headset. To experience real VR in the cheapest way.

PS4 Pro only gives PSVR improved graphics in-game or 90FPS native. It doesn't change the hardware.

 

[Freshmaker]

I understand that once the specs are finalized and manufacturing has started that it's hard to stop but why did they need to release a more powerful console this year?

PSVR.

 

[The Argus]

There is no way their next iteration will be at the same level of the Scorpio. It will be a decent amount more powerful, as it should be.

Jeesh, why is everyone so obsessed here with Sony beating Scorpio? We literally just (officially) learned about the new console today and people are frothing at the mouth about the next one.

 

[platocplx]

Pressure from other departments to "push 4K".

It seems like a very half step device and doesn't even look premium since it shares the new bargain looking Slim design and not the slightly upmarket og PS4 gloss.

Sony spun off the tv business. I don't really think this is the case or they would have also included uhd blu ray if it was based off th tv side.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Neo is a perfect example of enthusiast buying into a self perpetuating narrative they created. Ever since it was confirmed that devs were using a new PS4 model and we got specs everyone should have known that those specs were locked.

But because MS had a higher number Sony had to counter because engineering takes seconds and the Neo just has to have the biggest epeen in the console space. In reality the Neo is an opportunistic piece of tech to capitalize on chip manufactures selling better GPUs at almost no price increase with the added benefit of selling your console at a higher price and getting some synergy with PSVR.

The best post I've read all day.