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[hollomat]

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I'm confused


How can he be out of $60 if he gave 4 people $25? That sounds like he gave people a refund for what he got his refund for, but the profit ($60) was already spent, probably on a game and he doesn't want to give up his own money since he can't get a refund for the game. If true, saying he's out of $60 isn't exactly right, he has that $60 in the form of a game or whatever he spent it on.

[This is speculation, I don't know the whole story, that's just what it looks like to me]

He probably paid $15 each for the codes he was selling for $35. He couldn't get a refund for the $60 he paid so he's holding $10 back from everyone else.

Pretty scummy. If you're buying keys from another site than selling them at over 100% mark up, it's on you if it all falls apart. You should be refunding people the full price they paid you.

 

[Smooth Operator]

BornToPlay refunded me in less than two hours, with apologies and the full amount of money i gave him. Sad to see some Gaffers not getting back all the money they spent.

 

[demigod]

It likely means that he initially bought the codes from someone else, and that someone else probably disappeared and isnt refunding him, só each refund would put him in the red.

I know what it meant. He's a reseller, there's no way he's going to lose money without thinking ahead. Also he refunded 4 people when it was at least 5 people that bought from him.

 

[Lothars]

People massively unloading keys should have been an obvious clue that something was up. Graphics cards don't sell by the hundreds of thousands randomly. It was plainly obvious there was a flow of codes coming from somewhere and they were dirt cheap hence likely stolen.

When I bought my code, there wasn't a huge number but you are insane if you think this was painfully odvious that they were stolen codes.

 

[Blam]

When I bought my code, there wasn't a huge number but you are insane if you think this was painfully odvious that they were stolen codes.

Yeah I gotta agree, it was really obvious. Usually graphics cards codes don't drop to 7$ they usually sit around 25$ e.g. Metal Gear Solid V, and Witcher 3.

 

[Bread]

Yeah I gotta agree, it was really obvious. Usually graphics cards codes don't drop to 7$ they usually sit around 25$ e.g. Metal Gear Solid V, and Witcher 3.

They were in the $30s when a lot of us bought them...

 

[shandy706]

Seems my copy wasn't flagged till last night.

No biggie as I got the key "free" and didn't pay anything due to the person I got it from saying they were probably going to pull them.

Does the Gears preload disappear on its own, or do we have to clean it off our drive?!

 

[Mifec]

Seems my copy wasn't flagged till last night.

No biggie as I got the key "free" and didn't pay anything due to the person I got it from saying they were probably going to pull them.

Does the Gears preload disappear on its own, or do we have to clean it off our drive?!

You gotta do it, just right click uninstall it in the start menu

 

[Syriel]

He's not. He's actively trying to get my refund processed. I took 30 instead of 35 because he stated he's losing money on these refunds and I'm not out to demonize a fellow gaffer.

Regardless, he's responding to PMs and trying to fix this mess as much as he's capable. That's more than other GAF sellers I've worked with in the past.

I can't say for sure. I just don't feel it's necessary to kick a guy when he's down. I mean, the onus is on me to make sure I don't make boneheaded purchases like this in the future.

Refunds are free. Seller just clicks a button in PayPal. Boom. Done.

The only reason not to offer a refund is if the seller wants to keep some of the profit.

Myself and another gaffer received a $25 refund from sir_dany12.

I won't press the issue for more, just happy the seller kept to his word. Lesson learned.

First it was a $30 refund. Now it's $25? Why should buyers be out $10 per code? The seller sold non-working goods. It's on the seller to make it right.

It likely means that he initially bought the codes from someone else, and that someone else probably disappeared and isnt refunding him, só each refund would put him in the red.

That is not the buyer's problem.

If a seller wants to buy questionable codes and try to flip them on GAFfers for FAST CASH(tm) and EASY MONEY(tm) it's on the seller to properly source said codes.

The seller in question is simple scamming by not offering full refunds.

did he really think only giving them some of their money back would make things right?

sounds like someone I never want to do business with!

So we pay him $35, he refunds $25. Keeping $10 for himself. Yeah that definitely seems right.

Refunds should be in full and without question when a product is not what was advertised.

 

[MUnited83]

That is not the buyer's problem.

If a seller wants to buy questionable codes and try to flip them on GAFfers for FAST CASH(tm) and EASY MONEY(tm) it's on the seller to properly source said codes.

The seller in question is simple scamming by not offering full refunds.

Yes, I'm aware and I agree like I posted a couple of posts below that. I was just saying him saying he's losing money with each refund is technically true, just that. Doesn't change that he should refund people in full.

 

[jrush64]

I'd also like to add that today, he did say he'll refund me the full $35 earlier but I have only received $25. We don't even know if he refunded the Monoawara guy because he got banned.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I'd also like to add that today, he did say he'll refund me the full $35 earlier but I have only received $25. We don't even know if he refunded the Monoawara guy because he got banned.

In his post he mentioned a member that was spreading negative stuff about him as one of the members he refunded so i guess so.

Wont know of Monoaware's reaction (unless he has other means) though.

So I refunded 25$ to the 4 guys that bought me the Gears of War 4 codes.
One of them was spreading the word that I wasn't answering and was just scamming people when I was making sure I could give them as much as possible.
Yeah, they are 10$ dollars down, but I lost around 60$ because one guy that I bought codes ( thinking they were legit, not like some are saying that I knew that was selling amazon codes and I used the glitch lol, wish I had) simply shitted on me.
If you want to give me negative feedback go ahead. I did the best I could out of this situation. Believe me, i don't like to lose money like I did.
But it's fine. Judge me all you want.

the part where he's giving back some of the money and saying its the best he can do is really iffy though.

 

[Don Lapre]

Ask him how the game is he bought with the $10 x 5? people he kept

 

[Pingween]

BornToPlay refunded me in less than two hours, with apologies and the full amount of money i gave him. Sad to see some Gaffers not getting back all the money they spent.

I also got refunded by him. At least a few Gaffers take responsability.

 

[Cabal]

Ask him how the game is he bought with the $10 x 5? people he kept

For real, he's handling this very poorly and to be honest, shit like this makes the whole BST community look bad. I hope everyone still gave him negative feedback. He shouldn't be selling or buying anything from here again.

 

[Fracas]

Did anyone hear from the $7 reddit seller? Gonna file a paypal dispute later today. I'm trying give him a couple days but no response.

Same situation here. I paid via Paypal gift though, so I guess I'm out of luck.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Hot damn, even if you're out money from a sale you should refund them in full.

Not like you 1:1 the cash anyway.

I'd dispute a $0.1 difference.

Spoiler

You're not a "good guy" for doing what you're supposed too

 

[Abstrusity]

NVidia appears to have revoked all Amazon codes, but then reactivated them if they are legitimate. If they haven't and you are sure it's a legitimate code, you can go through the live chat and they'll reactivate it for you, pending your card's serial number and other proof of purchase.

I just did it. Code is active, and delivered.

Not too much of a hassle...

 

[Blam]

They were in the $30s when a lot of us bought them...

Well I mean on reddit in 24 hours it had dropped from 30$ to 3$

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Lol, maybe all these replies scares him into refunding fully.

I'll give it a chance before I run with a dispute.

 

[Zemm]

He posted this on the BST thread :

haha that story is such bullshit. Even if by some mirale it's true, he sold a key to someone else and he should refund it in full, doesn't matter if he loses out.

Buying cheap codes from someone on reddit and selling them at a premium to people on gaf is preeeeeeeeeeetty lame

I'm sure that's what this Dany guy did, and gave $10 less on the keys because that's how much he paid for them off Reddit.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

NVidia appears to have revoked all Amazon codes, but then reactivated them if they are legitimate. If they haven't and you are sure it's a legitimate code, you can go through the live chat and they'll reactivate it for you, pending your card's serial number and other proof of purchase.

I just did it. Code is active, and delivered.

Not too much of a hassle...

Hmm wonder of my code was reactivated. If I use the Xbox smartglass app it doesn't say buy it says play on Xbox one.

 

[vg260]

Hmm wonder of my code was reactivated. If I use the Xbox smartglass app it doesn't say buy it says play on Xbox one.

Mine was not.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Mine was not.

Yeah Xbox.com says preorder. Darn. On with fighting for a refund on eBay.

 

[Bread]

Well I mean on reddit in 24 hours it had dropped from 30$ to 3$

And a lot of people were buying the codes before there were any signs that they would drop below $30. It was far from obvious that there was something fishy going on.

 

[Squarehard]

Thanks for the opinions.
If anyone wants more info on the subject PM me

Looks like he's had enough.

He was probably thinking he'd get more sympathy for his response in the BST thread, but he was way off on that one.

 

[Infinite Justice]

response after everyone in the BST thread telling him is current action isn't great

Thanks for the opinions.
If anyone wants more info on the subject PM me

So good luck to the curious

 

[Cabal]

Looks like he's had enough.

He was probably thinking he'd get more sympathy for his response in the BST thread, but he was way off on that one.

He's not thinking about it rationally. He got no refund so he's just trying to not take a loss, Unfortunately, taking the loss is the only right thing to do.

He may have spent the money or whatever but he should clearly be able to see that his approach to this is scummy and try to rectify the situation.

They don't ban in the trading thread right? So pretty much you have to check feedback from anyone you buy from. In cases like this, I do think an outright ban would be warranted but I get why the mods don't police that thread.

 

[spindoctor]

Refunds are free. Seller just clicks a button in PayPal. Boom. Done.

This might not be entirely accurate depending on the country of the seller.

 

[justsomeguy]

He probably paid $15 each for the codes he was selling for $35. He couldn't get a refund for the $60 he paid so he's holding $10 back from everyone else.

Pretty scummy. If you're buying keys from another site than selling them at over 100% mark up, it's on you if it all falls apart. You should be refunding people the full price they paid you.

Indeed. You have a supplier issue ? That's on you. Customers shouldn't have to eat that pain. If he's a regular trader he's made more than enough on other transactions to cover that 60 bucks. It's called the cost of doing business.

 

[Rogas]

This weirdly reminds me of Gears 3 leaking on torrent sites months before release. Not that it should.

 

[xAlias]

Has anyone who got their copy revoked tried to redeem the Nvidia promotion offer again?

I get a message stating that "We're sorry, you have already claimed this promotion" when I try to redeem it again with a different code from a new seller.

 

[Kurt Russell]

Has anyone who got their copy revoked tried to redeem the Nvidia promotion offer again?

I get a message stating that "We're sorry, you have already claimed this promotion" when I try to redeem it again with a different code from a new seller.

Use a different email.

It turns out this is not the case.

I had an eBay key that was revoked and have just redeemed a new key I got with an actual purchase.
After redeeming the code and logging into your Microsoft account, all you need to do is use a different email address when prompted. I just added a +1 to my gmail address and it all redeemed fine - it's currently in my library.

 

[xAlias]

Use a different email.

I gave a different email but the same microsoft account and got the same error still.

 

[gatti-man]

When I bought my code, there wasn't a huge number but you are insane if you think this was painfully odvious that they were stolen codes.

If someone is selling codes for $10-$20 for a hot game not even released yeah you should know something is up. That's why I didn't buy one. I prefer not to buy grey market items when it comes to games because sometimes stuff like this happens.

They were in the $30s when a lot of us bought them...

By the time I became aware of them then were in the 20's which is obvious. Even low 30s en mass should tel you something. Hell en mass at all should tell you something is up. Everyone gets scammed sooner or later live and learn.

 

[jrush64]

In his post he mentioned a member that was spreading negative stuff about him as one of the members he refunded so i guess so.

Wont know of Monoaware's reaction (unless he has other means) though.



the part where he's giving back some of the money and saying its the best he can do is really iffy though.

Im pretty sure he's talking about me being the member spreading negative stuff about him. He deserves it. Right from the moment the keys were revoked and I asked him for a refund, he never made it seem like he was going to give it to me. He didn't even respond when I asked him if the keys were from Amazon when I found out about it.

He was saying that he will only give it to me if he gets a refund. Now he's only refunding part of the money like it's my problem he's saying he didnt get a refund. He should take the loss and refund us.

 

[Bread]

If someone is selling codes for $10-$20 for a hot game not even released yeah you should know something is up. That's why I didn't buy one. I prefer not to buy grey market items when it comes to games because sometimes stuff like this happens.



By the time I became aware of them then were in the 20's which is obvious. Even low 30s en mass should tel you something. Hell en mass at all should tell you something is up. Everyone gets scammed sooner or later live and learn.

Low 30s is what a lot of games go for when codes become available. That's what I paid for the Uncharted collection the week of release because there was a surplus. There wasn't a clear trend of them getting cheaper when this started. I don't know why some of you are so quick to blame us for jumping on a deal, it wasn't like we were paying $5.

 

[gatti-man]

Low 30s is what a lot of games go for when codes become available. That's what I paid for the Uncharted collection the week of release because there was a surplus. There wasn't a clear trend of them getting cheaper when this started. I don't know why some of you are so quick to blame us for jumping on a deal, it wasn't like we were paying $5.

Lol the uncharted collection vs gears 4. Entirely different. Did halo 5 go for low 30s before launch? How about Destiny? Or legion? Or any hyped AAA game that isn't a collection of old games millions have already played. Have some common sense. Why would someone sell something cheap through shady means when a simple eBay listing would reap $45-50? Buyer protection that's what.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Im pretty sure he's talking about me being the member spreading negative stuff about him. He deserves it. Right from the moment the keys were revoked and I asked him for a refund, he never made it seem like he was going to give it to me. He didn't even respond when I asked him if the keys were from Amazon when I found out about it.

He was saying that he will only give it to me if he gets a refund. Now he's only refunding part of the money like it's my problem he's saying he didnt get a refund. He should take the loss and refund us.

Hmm i thought it would be Mono since it seemed that he was the loudest about it.

If its actually you then hopefully Mono is still on the list.

As for second the point i agree he should just take the L and refund the full amount. Too bad the actions he decided has on now soured his reputation here, just because he lost.

 

[vg260]

By the time I became aware of them then were in the 20's which is obvious. Even low 30s en mass should tel you something. Hell en mass at all should tell you something is up. Everyone gets scammed sooner or later live and learn.

I disagree. I've been buying these nvidia codes since Batman Arkham in the low 30s. I got every Batman game around that range. In that range, there's no reason to expect anything unusual. When they started dropping to $20 and below is when something seemed unusual.

 

[Bread]

Lol the uncharted collection vs gears 4. Entirely different. Did halo 5 go for low 30s before launch? How about Destiny? Or legion? Or any hyped AAA game that isn't a collection of old games millions have already played. Have some common sense. Why would someone sell something cheap through shady means when a simple eBay listing would reap $45-50? Buyer protection that's what.

First of all, it really isn't that different. UC codes were coming out because people were buying bundles and didn't want them, just like Gears codes were coming out because people were buying video cards and didn't want them.
Second of all, we were using ebay. I have no idea what shady means you're talking about.

 

[fantomena]

How long does it take to get PayPal refunded money into my credit card?

 

[Bronetta]

If someone is selling codes for $10-$20 for a hot game not even released yeah you should know something is up. That's why I didn't buy one. I prefer not to buy grey market items when it comes to games because sometimes stuff like this happens.



By the time I became aware of them then were in the 20's which is obvious. Even low 30s en mass should tel you something. Hell en mass at all should tell you something is up. Everyone gets scammed sooner or later live and learn.

I'm all for common sense and proactivity but sounds like you're blaming the victims here?

Everyone may get scammed sooner or later but you don't expect it on NeoGAF. Personally I hold the people here to a higher standard than the rest of the internet, even if I'm the fool for doing so.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

I'm all for common sense and proactivity but sounds like you're blaming the victims here?

Everyone may get scammed sooner or later but you don't expect it on NeoGAF. Personally I hold the people here to a higher standard than the rest of the internet, even if I'm the fool for doing so.

I am a fool since I do hold the vast majority of NeoGAF on a higher standard.

 

[gatti-man]

I disagree. I've been buying these nvidia codes since Batman Arkham in the low 30s. I got every Batman game around that range. In that range, there's no reason to expect anything unusual. When they started dropping to $20 and below is when something seemed unusual.

I'll say this again. Why would anyone sell a legit code on Reddit or anywhere that doesn't have buyer protection for $30 when you can get %50 more on a legit site? There is your answer right there.

People want something for nothing and a lot of times these codes aren't legit. There have been countless threads on neogaf about pubs honoring codes that aren't legit not to hurt the end user. This time people lost. It's always a risk. Like I said before if something is half off before launch and it's a huge AAA game maybe caution is in order.

I'm all for common sense and proactivity but sounds like you're blaming the victims here?

Everyone may get scammed sooner or later but you don't expect it on NeoGAF. Personally I hold the people here to a higher standard than the rest of the internet, even if I'm the fool for doing so.

Buying grey market codes then getting that code turned off on you doesn't make you a victim, it just makes you unlucky in my book.

 

[BRocknRolla]

I'm all for common sense and proactivity but sounds like you're blaming the victims here?

Everyone may get scammed sooner or later but you don't expect it on NeoGAF. Personally I hold the people here to a higher standard than the rest of the internet, even if I'm the fool for doing so.

It's one of the things I feel strongly about in this community. I just completed a transaction with someone, and the whole thing took minutes without any sort of tension. I trusted the person, they trusted me, we got what we wanted, and gave each other a nice pat on the back for being decent, even friendly human beings.

I don't expect that interaction from every thread on this site, but I do not expect outright lying, cheating, or stealing; especially not when money is involved like in the b/s/t thread. My whole thought is that the strong moderation of this site is intended to hold every member up to a higher standard than they would be anywhere else on the internet. That's what makes this place cool; it makes this forum a worthwhile place to spend your time.

If you're a fool, so am I, but it's what makes we want to keep being here on these boards.

 

[rtcn63]

I'll say this again. Why would anyone sell a legit code on Reddit or anywhere that doesn't have buyer protection for $30 when you can get %50 more on a legit site? There is your answer right there.

People want something for nothing and a lot of times these codes aren't legit. There have been countless threads on neogaf about pubs honoring codes that aren't legit not to hurt the end user. This time people lost. It's always a risk. Like I said before if something is half off before launch and it's a huge AAA game maybe caution is in order.

If consumers purchased the codes *knowing* they were obtained illegally and may likely be revoked, then you might have an argument. But it's become routine for people to offload bundled codes for relatively cheap (yes, upwards of 50% off or more at times). I've bought them for years. There was no reason to think these particular codes were potentially bad until the Amazon scam was revealed. And many people were still selling them at the expected "legitimate" market price. (If you payed like $7 for GoW4, then you were just gambling)

That said, don't trust anyone when it comes to BST deals. Online, in-person, always minimize your chances of never seeing your money again. Don't do PP friends and family unless you've dealt with the seller/buyer personally multiples times, and even then. Try not to put yourself in a position where you have no recourse. I myself have been scammed before.

 

[vg260]

I'll say this again. Why would anyone sell a legit code on Reddit or anywhere that doesn't have buyer protection for $30 when you can get %50 more on a legit site? There is your answer right there.

I don't know, I wasn't talking about that. This doesn't relate to my response to your claim that keys in the $30 range was some sort of red flag, which it was not based on the market history of these. Nothing like this ever happened before with these codes, so there was no reason for those early buyers at that price range to suspect anything. Later on when the Amazon abuse became known, yeah sure. That was a huge red flag.

 

[StMeph]

So here's a question...

If you actually got a 1080 before the Gears promotion (while it was still Paragon), never redeemed THAT promotion, and then get a Gears 4 key, how likely is it that one could convince Nvidia to accept the proof of purchase for the Gears code?

 

[BRocknRolla]

So here's a question...

If you actually got a 1080 before the Gears promotion (while it was still Paragon), never redeemed THAT promotion, and then get a Gears 4 key, how likely is it that one could convince Nvidia to accept the proof of purchase for the Gears code?

It's worth a shot I'd guess.

I'd also guess your proof of purchase includes some sort of date though, so that will probably disqualify you when they see it.