It's not ridiculous at the moment, IMO. There's more support for HDR10 than Dolby Vision at the moment. I also don't believe you will have a case where one is supported and not the other in the long run.
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It's not ridiculous at the moment, IMO. There's more support for HDR10 than Dolby Vision at the moment. I also don't believe you will have a case where one is supported and not the other in the long run.
Later Alligator
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disable HDMI-CEC on the xbox one
infinityBCRT
Member
Dolby Vision is already on death's door. No one wants to pay licensing fees for that format (every device in the chain needs to pay a fee to dolby). HDR10 is a free alternative, and there's an update to the HDR10 spec which adds the dynamic metadata, which kills any advantage that Dolby Vision has. And with both the Xbox One S and PS4 Pro not supporting Dolby Vision (and make no mistake, these will be the most popular 4K HDR devices out there), any momentum that format has is gonna dry up fast.
Later Alligator
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1) 90+ ms of input lag when playing in HDR, even the input lag in 4k mode alone is way too high at around 60 ms
2) worst blacks out of the 3, by far
not a great TV for gaming compared to other options available in the same price range
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d
NYR
Member
Care to share your settings for :
-Blu-ray
-Netflix
-gaming (game mode )
-hdr (movie )
-hdr (game mode )
If they differ ?
I'm trying to follow online guides but damn why everything is on warm 2 it looks so yellow
I mean in life white is white ? Blue is blue ? Not with warm 2
I'll post them when I get home, no problem.
Warm 2 allegedly gives the best color representation but I agree with you, whites will yellow and the picture tints when using it. Most, if not all calibration and settings online will say to use warm 2 but remember, online settings are for best color representation based on calibration standards not on your PERSONAL standards.
I actually don't use warm 2 and you shouldn't feel bad for not using it either. Picture preferences are just that, your preferences. Do not use Warm 2 if you don't like it, it is not going to "ruin" your picture by using cool or medium, the picture should look right to you, not some rando on the internet. Yes, it won’t be as “accurate” as intended, but the picture should look right to you first and foremost and combining your personal preference with educating yourself with online settings is what will get you the best picture for your set so you learn not to do something silly like using like “Vivid” mode and modifying that. Keep in mind, if they wanted everyone to use warm 2 you wouldn’t have the option to change it to begin with!
Calibration isn't simply setting to Warm2. That is simply to get the TV closest to the natural 6500K color temp.
After that the various white levels are individually corrected to make all colors, white, and black to accurate settings.
That helps make them not look so "yellow" but rather more natural.
After that the various white levels are individually corrected to make all colors, white, and black to accurate settings.
That helps make them not look so "yellow" but rather more natural.
DJ Lushious
Member
You're delusional.
Could anyone with an LG 2016 OLED tell me how their Xbox One S is looking in HDR?
I've been trying to watch films and play games, but I'm certain something isn't right. The image is noticeably more washed out in HDR than in standard mode. Gears if really noticeably for example, even the menu is has less colour. I've fiddled around with all the settings I can think of, and deep colour is enabled.
My only thought is I have a potentially faulty Xbox.
I've been trying to watch films and play games, but I'm certain something isn't right. The image is noticeably more washed out in HDR than in standard mode. Gears if really noticeably for example, even the menu is has less colour. I've fiddled around with all the settings I can think of, and deep colour is enabled.
My only thought is I have a potentially faulty Xbox.
Which HDR content are you watching/playing?
Oh yeah sorry, it's everything.
Gears 4 and Forza are both the same, with Gears being particularly bad.
HDR blu rays too.
HDR via Netflix through the TV's own app is fine.
f@luS
More than a member.
I spend all day calibrating my tv for PS4 Xbox Blu-ray Netflix hdr and so on. I figured 2016 oled in hdr NEED dynamic contrast (only in hdr)
Hmmm. Could be the Xbox, but that's unlikely really. Can you post your TV's HDR settings on the Xbox? Is it set to HDR Standard when playing HDR content?
I have a PS4 and a 2016 Vizio M Series 55 inch 4K TV. It does say that it supports HDR, and I can enable that for input 1 in the settings.
When I turn it on in the PS4 though, everything looks AWFUL. Blacks look all green, whites are yellow, colors are muted. Why is this? This was with dark souls 3. Are you supposed to enable/disable the HDR setting per game?
When I turn it on in the PS4 though, everything looks AWFUL. Blacks look all green, whites are yellow, colors are muted. Why is this? This was with dark souls 3. Are you supposed to enable/disable the HDR setting per game?
general_garcia
Member
Forgive the cross-posting, just realised my question in the KS8000 thread might be better placed in here:
I'm tempted to pick up the 60" Samsung KS7000 (UK model), but I'd be getting rid of my current LG 55" EC9300 OLED in order to do so.
I don't suppose anybody has done similar in here? I'm not sure whether the increased resolution, better input lag and HDR are worth getting rid of the ridiculous contrast and richness of the OLED.
I'm tempted to pick up the 60" Samsung KS7000 (UK model), but I'd be getting rid of my current LG 55" EC9300 OLED in order to do so.
I don't suppose anybody has done similar in here? I'm not sure whether the increased resolution, better input lag and HDR are worth getting rid of the ridiculous contrast and richness of the OLED.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
incorrect.
Netflix will be the most popular 4k HDR device and all the TVs have it.
Dolby Vision already is taking off at a cinematic level for color grading, the UHD Blu-rays will have Dolby Vision added in soon, and new players are coming.
It won't be dead, it'll be a classic DTS vs Dolby thing. But it's not gonna die. Dolby has too much of a huge ecosystem for that from cinema to home.
Further Dolby Vision has the aspect of one mastering display, and anything that is using it (read, the display) is communicating info about its own capabilities, and thus is handles the roll-off points way better than HDR10 does at this moment, which makes for a way better end-user experience. We'll see if the HDR10 spec catches up in that regard.
infinityBCRT
Member
Netflix is not a device, its an app.
Also lets look at the list (and this is from Netflix's site) of TV's that support Dolby Vision vs TV's that support HDR:
Dolby Vision: LG, Vizio
HDR: LG, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba
And I'm pretty sure Vizio supports HDR now too through a firmware update.
No one is saying HDR10 is a better spec in terms of quality than Dolby Vision, but it probably will die as a format for consumers. Phillips and Samsung have been working on HDR10 with dynamic metadata (and that standard should roll out soon), and the other TV makers who haven't backed Dolby Vision (most of them) will follow suit.
You know what he meant. Don't be daft.
infinityBCRT
Member
He tried to invalidate my argument that Xbox One S and PS4 Pro will be the most popular 4K HDR devices out there by throwing out Netflix. Who is being daft? lol.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
my point is that while that may be true, any DV TV out there will have built in apps running DV Netflix / Vudu etc.
The vast majority of 4K/HDR content, I'm guessing, won't be consumed via devices, but from the display's internal apps themselves.
You are, because why would I use PS4 Pro or Xbox One S to do something my TV does (and better) on its own?
It's laughable that Sony promotes 4K streaming on the Pro. Every 4K TV does it on an OS level.
infinityBCRT
Member
The numbers just don't add up. I wouldn't be surprised if DV support gets dropped by LG and Vizio in the next year or two. It doesn't make sense financially to support two formats if one is going to win over the other, let alone the fact that there is an additional licensing fee that LG and Vizio (along with content makers and other hardware makers like for receivers) are paying. As soon as HDR10 gets dynamic metadata going, there's very little reason for anyone to back DV. Why would Netflix spend the money encoding DV versions of their content and hosting it when HDR10 does get dynamic metadata support, especially if the TV's that support DV will likely be firmware updated to support HDR10+metadata
You are, because why would I use PS4 Pro or Xbox One S to do something my TV does (and better) on its own?
It's laughable that Sony promotes 4K streaming on the Pro. Every 4K TV does it on an OS level.
Again, that has nothing to do with my argument. This reminds me of that pie chart where polygon was trying to compare system sales to game sales.
And also the whole 4K streaming app situation is not as cut and dry as you think. On my Samsung I only have a fraction of the apps available because I'm in Canada. I still have to go to my Xbox One for streaming apps other than Netflix and Youtube. As more apps support 4K I will definitely need a 4K device to do streaming with that stuff. For example, I don't have MLB.tv available on my KS8000 in Canada, but I'm pretty sure its available in the US.
dreamcastfan
Member
From what I have read, most major movie studios largely prefer dolbyvision at this point. Could change, sure.. BUT my point is if you are going to drop a good amount of cash on a tv, why get one that leaves out support for one of the formats? I am pro physical media, so I am covered when it comes to HD Bluray, but what if I want to stream something from VUDU with dolbyvision? If I get anything other than a vizio or LG I can't.
Do you plan to buy a PS4 Pro / Xbox 1S / BR4K player etc soon?
It depends how much you value the bump in resolution, HDR and lowered input lag because, to me, picture quality wise you'd be downgrading
general_garcia
Member
Yeah that's the conundrum...
I have an Xbox One S and will be getting the Pro in November, and I also have a PC that could in theory just about scrape playable 4K (Nvidia 1070).
I love the OLED, I really do, but I just don't know whether that trio is worth the change. I guess I need to demo, but it's hard to do that extensively before committing.
The solution is simple, instead of going from OLED to LCD, you go from OLED to... OLED.
Even if that means waiting until said OLED becomes affordable for you it's worth the wait.
I pick either standard or bright and bright looks a little better.
The tv defaults to OLED brightness full etc. Black levels are low. As far as I can see everything is correct.
I use Black level high because it shows more detail in blacks. On my PC at least.
By the way, Daredevil was updated with Dolby Vision on Netflix and it....looks...fucking...incredible.
Dolby Vision >>>>>> everything
I also owned the EC9300, ended up upgrading to a C6 but if I didn't have the budget I would have kept it. Hold off and upgrade to a 4K OLED when the price comes down. Gaining HDR + 4K res is not worth losing all the other benefits of OLED, especially when a lot of content is still 1080p at best.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
it's not just dynamic metadata - it's the whole end to end system that ensure the content looks correct regardless of the variation of display capabilities. Plus it's the fact that you can master the film Dolby Vision and it works theatrical and for the home release.
LG / Vizio aren't paying for DV, customers are. And if it continues to appear to be a premium form of HDR that film companies and TV companies provide (and that Netflix and others stream) there will be a market for it amongst the enthusiasts.
DV kills HDR10 right now. That headstart and foothold aren't going away.
cyborgnumberblue
Member
How do I do this?
I've been through seemingly every menu on the console and can't find this option.
This is an OG Xbone, not an S.
cyborgnumberblue
Member
Disabled on TV, remote still turning on and controlling Xbone.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
What is the best wall mount for the lg oleds?
I was lg made something available directly as most of the mount companies are completely no name.
I was lg made something available directly as most of the mount companies are completely no name.
finalflame
Banned
Art Vandilay
Member
A cheap one from Amazon is fine so long as it has good reviews.
NYR
Member
Here are my settings. These are based on a combination of research and my personal preferences, they are by no means definitive the best ever, just my opinion. My TV room has floor to ceiling windows with white blinds on three sides (back, front, right), so it is a very bright room.Care to share your settings for :
-Blu-ray
-Netflix
-gaming (game mode )
-hdr (movie )
-hdr (game mode )
If they differ ?
I'm trying to follow online guides but damn why everything is on warm 2 it looks so yellow
I mean in life white is white ? Blue is blue ? Not with warm 2
The tools I used were the Pixar Maximizer and the Xbox One Picture Calibration:
My LG E6 Settings
ISF Expert (Bright Room)
Aspect Ratio - Original
Just Scan - On
OLED Light - 100
(Based this on rtings.com recommendation, http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/e6/settings)
Contrast - 94
(Based this on Pixar Blu Ray Maximizer as well as Xbox One S calibration tool)
Brightness - 54
(Based this Maximizer, Xbox One S and Kill Bill 2 Blu Ray where she is about to be buried underground. The black sky will blend in with the borders with no over whitening. You could lower this within 5-10 points based on room settings, I have had it as low as 47)
H/V Sharpness - 10
(Based on AVForums YouTube vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFf4vEiHHRQ)
Color - 57
Personal preference. Anything between 50 and 60 should be fine.
Tint - 0
Personal preference, don't see any need to change.
Expert Controls
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Super Resolution - Off
Color Gamut - Normal
Edge Enhancer - Off
Color Filter - Off
Gamma - 2.2 (use what works best for you, I prefer a brighter pic)
White Balance
Color Temp - Cool (personal preference)
Method - 2 points
Red - 1
Green - 0
Blue - 5
(I won't bother posting 20 point for the sake of time, you gotta do some research here and find what works for you)
(RGB based on AVForums YouTube vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFf4vEiHHRQ)
Color Management
(No changes per on AVForums YouTube vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFf4vEiHHRQ)
Picture Options
Noise Reduction - Auto (this is my personal preference)
MPEG Noise Reduction - Off
Black Level - Low
Real Cinema - On
Motion Eye Care - Off
Tru Motion - User (De-Judder - 0, De-Blur - 10)
"Kills" is a little strong. I've never read anyone say this. The differences between the 2 vary based on the set from what I understand.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
Amazon reviews for cheap products are the exact opposite of the type of advice I'm looking for.
Art Vandilay
Member
So thousands of 4+ star reviews aren't good enough for you?
Edit: Wall mounts aren't very complex. There's no need to overspend if you're getting a reliable product.
NYR
Member
You are limiting your options greatly, at that price point, you're not going to have much of a difference between sets. I honestly would wait a few weeks until Black Friday.
I would go with one of these:
Sony, 40", $500 - http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=04bddf0636b85834d7f8f6336f1a003fen02
LF, 43'', $400 - http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=1a8e41393ddd68156872a0e26e36adb9en02
Samsung, 40", $400 - http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=e0b7a0a9918c59101357f46034c2b13cen02
My $1000 65inch Sony has been hanging on a $20 monoprice wall mount for 2 years now.
My point being if mounted correctly your TV should perfectly OK on a cheap mount that has good reviews.
Agreed with monoprice mounts. I have three tvs in my house of different sizes and weights and they are all use the same $20 flat panel mount. Similar to this one: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=4114. You may a little bit more if you want one that tilts and moves but it's still a lot cheaper than best buy etc.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
it's HDR10 that varies between set (and content), not DV. And that's why DV is still so much better. It actually works.
It's so much more mature as a standard for mastering content it isn't funny. Dynamic adjustments add on top of that.
HDR10 will certainly close the gap, but right now DV is a way better and more user friendly experience in terms of getting the intended HDR picture.
Really shows how much money stores like best buy make on accessories such as mounts and cables. That $200 3 ft. monster HDMI cable seems like a good deal!
dreamcastfan
Member
I thought Costco was supposed to have good prices?! The P75 C-1 I got for 3,600 (before tax) is over 5,000 at Costco, according to their website. Am I missing something? Have they lost their mind?
That's what I meant. Some sets don't properly display HDR10 content. On the sets that do display it properly the difference between HDR10 and DV is not a "killer" difference.
Like someone posted on AVS today, there is no format war. Neither format is going anywhere. HDR10 is required on every UHD Blu Ray and is supported by Microsoft and Sony's consoles. As of right now you have 2 manufactures that make DV capable sets. The LG sets are expensive. The Vizio sets can display DV content good enough, but reportedly have trouble displaying HDR10 content as well as other HDR10 sets which means alot for gamers. With this in mind, I don't think not supporting Dolby Vision should be a deal breaker for anyone looking at getting a HDR set right now.
EDIT: This doesn't even bring up the fact that dynamic HDR10 is coming and will be a firmware upgrade for existing HDR10 sets.