Not being curved costs a premium now, yes.
And as I said before, the curve in the LG is not as pronounced as in the Sammys, so I´d suggest to have a look yourself if you find it acceptable.
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Not being curved costs a premium now, yes.
And as I said before, the curve in the LG is not as pronounced as in the Sammys, so I´d suggest to have a look yourself if you find it acceptable.
Could you pls link the 500 stuff? I only found exactly the same offer from 2014.
1.21Gigawatts
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So I'm looking to buy a new TV.
My Budget is up to 1000 and I want at least 55", 4k, HDR and input lag thats suitible for gaming.
My problem is that I'm in germany and all the websites I find liked here use the model names for the US. For example on the rtings website I found the Samsung KU6300 in the HDR Gaming Toplist which sells on Amazon US for about 1000$ in 60", but what is this model called in germany/europe?
My Budget is up to 1000 and I want at least 55", 4k, HDR and input lag thats suitible for gaming.
My problem is that I'm in germany and all the websites I find liked here use the model names for the US. For example on the rtings website I found the Samsung KU6300 in the HDR Gaming Toplist which sells on Amazon US for about 1000$ in 60", but what is this model called in germany/europe?
NYR
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Buy the E6, I did. Sounds like you are like me and appreciate good design, you stare at this thing daily, pay extra, you deserve it. Don't buy a curve unless you want it, it's a gimmick to sell tvs.
Cheeseman Battitude
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Anyone experienced this TV?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-samsung-ku6400-4k-tv-review
EG reckons the HDR is a bit weak but it's my kind of price.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-samsung-ku6400-4k-tv-review
EG reckons the HDR is a bit weak but it's my kind of price.
This thread is about new TVs, but I am having a serious problem with my old TV.
All of the sudden, blacks are deep blue. It is incredibly jarring. Shadows are filled with blocky blue hued smudges. The screen glows deep blue when being powered on or off. This happened overnight. Last week it was not happening at all and yesterday it was affecting every thing I watched.
I re-calibrated the TV using a guide, but it didn't help at all.
The model is a Samsung LN46A650 46" LCD. It's about 6 years old. Is this something that happens to LCDs as they age? I'd appreciate any guidance to further my investigation and hopefully resolution of this problem.
All of the sudden, blacks are deep blue. It is incredibly jarring. Shadows are filled with blocky blue hued smudges. The screen glows deep blue when being powered on or off. This happened overnight. Last week it was not happening at all and yesterday it was affecting every thing I watched.
I re-calibrated the TV using a guide, but it didn't help at all.
The model is a Samsung LN46A650 46" LCD. It's about 6 years old. Is this something that happens to LCDs as they age? I'd appreciate any guidance to further my investigation and hopefully resolution of this problem.
DJ Lushious
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~60 Ms is "terrible?" The LG OLEDs have about the same input lag with HDR and I've yet to see any of the users here say it's been so bad that can't even play games. It's not the greatest, but it's far from unplayable nor the worst.
Having said that, the CTO of Vizio has said they're working on the code and can expect the HDR input lag to lower to 45ms.
Matt McRae said:
This GAFfer gets it. With any HDTV there's going to be pros and cons; no TV is perfect.
In my opinion, yes, the Samsung is a good set and can hit higher nits, but I would never pay FALD prices for an Edge-Lit display in today's market. And I have to give Vizio credit for being open about changes and showcasing that they are committed to making the P-Series the best it can be.
GalacticMouse
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Rtings is a great resource when you're TV shopping. In this case, the UK KU6400 model is the equivalent of the KU7000 in other regions. Here's their review: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000
Biggest concerns seem to be tied to motion handling and HDR. It introduces judder in 24fps content (like blu-rays) and leaves a short trail behind fast moving objects (think camera pans in gaming). For HDR issues, there's no local dimming and peak brightness isn't great.
On the plus side, it has a decent input lag for gaming, even with HDR activated. Also, from my experience with Samsung's 2016 OS (just got the KS8000), it's snappy and gets you into content quickly.
If you're looking for something that can handle the PS4 Pro or the HDR features of XBOX One S, that set will do both of those things and at a great price. But, being closer to the entry-level side of the spectrum means that it's already significantly outpaced by the mid-tier models in Samsung's lineup and will be left behind quickly by next year's tech.
1.21Gigawatts
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Man this sucks. This KU6300 series (US name) seems to be much better than the KU6400 series http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku6300 (UK name), but the KU6300 is apparently not available in europe.
Is importing an option?
Art Vandilay
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Please do not go by the Rtings test. There simply are no tools out there to reliably test OLED TVs in HDR mode.
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DJ Lushious
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I agree about the tools, but what else am I to go on? The point remains that 60ms is not "terrible," though at the high end of "playable." Now if you're an MLG player, then, yeah, that's not gonna cut it. That, however, is an exception, not the rule.
Go by your eyes. The 2016 models are more than just good for gaming in HDR mode for me, but everyone should try for themselves.
DJ Lushious
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Huh? I'm talking exclusively about input lag, nothing else. Which is solely about gaming.
Art Vandilay
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I really wish Best Buy would set up the Xbox One S on some of their 4K TVs so you could try them out with Gears and Forza.
Sorry, English is not my first language.
What I was trying to say is, try the input lag for yourself. The lack of reliable testing tools and routines makes it guesswork, but right now I´d assume the input lag is much lower than what Rtings "tested".
I find it odd that major TV retailers with display sets don't have games consoles hooked up to display how games look and feel on them.
Like who gives a shit about some looping manufacturer demo video? I want to see what my games will look and feel like on the TV you're charging so much money for!
Talk to them. In my experience, pointing out to them that the S is a cheap UHD BR player, and demoing that might help them sell more of the stuff often makes them open to the idea.
Art Vandilay
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With the whole 4K and HDR push on the new and upcoming consoles, I wouldn't be surprised if they started doing that next year if not this Holiday season.
My dad wanted a new tv and didn't care too much about HDR 4K and all that jazz, so we arranged a exchange: he will buy my current lg 9100/910v and I'll use the money towards a lg c6.
So in the end he will get a tv which still blows most other tvs out of the water and I'll get to enjoy the new HDR and 4K features.
Hopefully will be here by the end of this week!
So in the end he will get a tv which still blows most other tvs out of the water and I'll get to enjoy the new HDR and 4K features.
Hopefully will be here by the end of this week!
I disagree. Im not even good at videogames and 60ms feels terrible to me. Especially with a mouse.
Art Vandilay
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Can you notice them from where you sit?
Yappadappadu
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Great to read how open Vizio is regarding input lag improvements.
As for LG, we really have no idea whether they'll improve input lag in HDR mode on their 4K OLED TVs or not.
They would need to implement a new HDR game mode, since game mode is not an option but its own picture profile.
Anything over 55 ms already feels pretty unresponsive to me.
As for LG, we really have no idea whether they'll improve input lag in HDR mode on their 4K OLED TVs or not.
They would need to implement a new HDR game mode, since game mode is not an option but its own picture profile.
Anything over 55 ms already feels pretty unresponsive to me.
I had the same, I tried to rub them with a microfiber cloth and as soon as the cloth touched the screen, they switched on.
Livingskeletons
If I pulled that off, would you die?
I was looking for something in the $400-$500 range
No only if I get right up on the TV. I noticed checking screen for dust this morning while it was on white screen from commercial.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Looking for a new tv is a pain. Looking for a 55 inch 4k but want a good deal on it. Might wait it out till black friday but even that it will be a bitch to grab it.
Yeah, personally I wouldn't be happy with dead pixels, but some people are OK with them if they're not visible from their viewing distance.
I'd return it.
I went with the C6 (getting it delivered this week). I couldn't justify the additional cost of the slimmer profile for essentially the same picture quality. I didn't like the look of the E6 soundbar and since I'm hooking it up to an AV receiver, I would never use it anyway.
The curve on the C6 is very subtle but I would definitely see the two in person if you can. Best Buy has them side by side in my area so that helped to see up close before buying.
If you cant see them during viewing then dont worry. If wverything else looks good then keep it.
The_Spaniard
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My local Best Buy has the C6, I'm going to call and see if they have it on display, but no local Best Buys have the G6 in store. If my local Best Buy has the C6 on display I'll check out the picture on the way home from work tonight. Then I might seriously look at that open box (but brand new) seller on Amazon, that would save me about a grand on the sticker price.
Jigolo
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Highest rated UHD Blu Ray I remember seeing
Pacific Rim earns reference quality from AVS
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/187-o...rim-ultra-hd-blu-ray-review.html#post47376249
Pacific Rim earns reference quality from AVS
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/187-o...rim-ultra-hd-blu-ray-review.html#post47376249
Cloggerdude
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Is the Blu Ray version updated from the old release? I have a copy of the movie from when it was first released, but I don't remember seeing such amazing reviews about it.
Edit: Nevermind, looks like it DID get awesome reviews when it was first released. I guess I have a new reference Blu Ray.
The_Spaniard
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Holy crap 45 bucks! Why is it so expensive? It doesn't even come with the 3D version.
P.S. I hate that most UHD re-releases don't include 3D versions right now. I think I've only noticed one so far that actually does. I don't want to have 2 copies on my shelf at this point with a 3D Blu-Ray sitting next to the UHD version. You'd think that for 45 bucks they could afford to include it... =P
I'm in a pinch with a failed TV. As much as I hate going from a Pioneer Kuro to something less, I'll eventually be buying an OLED after some more seasoning on motion.
Looking to pick up a less expensive 50-55 inch display, possibly a Sony or Vizio. How is the P series for gaming? I keep seeing comments about RTINGS input lag tests not being valid.
Looking to pick up a less expensive 50-55 inch display, possibly a Sony or Vizio. How is the P series for gaming? I keep seeing comments about RTINGS input lag tests not being valid.
I bought LED TVs for home use, and threw away the old SD TVs. I have no idea about the TV connections and I am having problems. I hope this is a good place to ask questions.
Input for both the TVs was through this type of cable I think called aerial coax (shown below). One TV was connected directly to this, while the other one had a "this end" (I assumed it is named aerial coax?) to SCART converter. One of the new TVs has SCART, RGB, and HDMI. The other has only RGB and HDMI.
So my question is, is there a way to take the aerial coax cable and convert it to output HDMI or RGB? If there is a way to convert SCART to RGB or HDMI that would work as well for one TV ( but the other one will still be problematic). But I can't find any female SCART to male RGB cables. The same for male female aerial to RGB or HDMI.
Thanks for any help.
By the way, the fact that this cable would not display in high definition is not a problem for me, since I only use it to connect my PC and the rest of the family couldn't care less about the resolution for TV.
Input for both the TVs was through this type of cable I think called aerial coax (shown below). One TV was connected directly to this, while the other one had a "this end" (I assumed it is named aerial coax?) to SCART converter. One of the new TVs has SCART, RGB, and HDMI. The other has only RGB and HDMI.
So my question is, is there a way to take the aerial coax cable and convert it to output HDMI or RGB? If there is a way to convert SCART to RGB or HDMI that would work as well for one TV ( but the other one will still be problematic). But I can't find any female SCART to male RGB cables. The same for male female aerial to RGB or HDMI.
Thanks for any help.
By the way, the fact that this cable would not display in high definition is not a problem for me, since I only use it to connect my PC and the rest of the family couldn't care less about the resolution for TV.
DJ Lushious
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I have no issues with the P-Series gaming, HDR included. And that is the primary purpose of my set. I, too, came from a Kuro Elite, and I find the P-Series' picture to be a worthy successor. Just know that if you get the 55" you'll be getting an IPS panel, whereas every other model in the P-Series line is VA.
Art Vandilay
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And the 50" is 60hz whereas the others are 120hz.
Will this be noticeable to me for watching Netflix/playing PS4 Pro games?
Basically, it's coming down to me between a 50" P-Series, a 55" P-Series, or the more expensive Samsung KS8000. I'm hesitant to go with the K-Series because it is a lot more expensive, but is the jump in quality that extreme?
Also: my dorm wi-fi is incompatible with Google Cast technology, so I'm worried about buying a P-Series because that's the only way to use the smart features, right? Do you have to use the tablet remote for setting up your TV's settings, as well? Or can I do that on the physical remote?
Finally: somebody in here said the input lag RTings numbers for 4K HDR on the P Series are incorrect? Does anybody have a link to that evidence? That's one of the big things swaying me towards the KS8000, but if the input lag numbers really are wrong, I'll probably wind up with the P-Series. In that case: what's the cheapest 4K HDR streaming solution to tide me over until I get a PS4 Pro in February when Horizon comes out?
DJ Lushious
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In order of paragraphs:
More than likely not, but it depends on how sensitive your eyes are. Some owners have been able to detect faint flickering on the 60Hz panels. Your mileage may vary, so be certain to buy from a place that will allow for you to return the set, if you are not satisified.
No, the jump in quality is, well, there is none. They are evenly matched sets. Where one exceeds, the other is serviceable, and vice versa. They end up being a wash at the end, with either model lines being great purchases. I much prefer the Vizio, however, because I am of the opinion that it is foolish to pay K-Series money for an edge-lit set in today's day and age.
You use the tablet for configuring the TV's settings. It does, however, connect via bluetooth to the TV, as well as wifi. The ChromeCast essentially works by the tablet telling the TV where to the get the content and then the TV does the rest. I do not know if this can be done via bluetooth. It's a damned good question and I would recommend calling Vizio's Customer Support line. They've been especially helpful every time I've called. 1-855-833-3221 in the US.
Whomever said that isn't wrong, but they're also not correct. Check out my previous post. With HDR gaming, input lag is at 60ms right now, set to drop to 45ms at some point in the future. Is that within your realm of acceptable? Again, it all depends on your personal sensitivity. I couldn't notice the input lag in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, but it is the only HDR game I can play right now.
I love my P65-C1, long story short. However, I am not you. I can only recommend the set, but, again, my best advice is to go for the P-Series. It seems to fit within your budget. Just buy from a place that you can return the set to if you are not happy.
This is an incredibly helpful post. However, I have some followup questions.
I work at a popular electronics retailer wherein you are able to get the best buy for your money, and my coworkers have told me that the Vizios we put out for display don't last nearly as long as the other models we display, often failing within several months. Has anybody else experienced these longevity issues, or is that solely based on the intense conditions of display TVs?
If they really are working on the HDR/4K gaming input lag, that's really promising. Honestly, I'm a console player and not a framerate savant, so I don't see myself noticing it that much anyways, but the piece of mind of knowing that I'M bad at games and that it's not my TV dooming me to suck at Overwatch would be helpful.
I sent a service email to Vizio Support and I'll call tomorrow to ask.
I think if I go Vizio, I'll stick to 50" and not 55", because the stand on the LG I have right now but am going to return (it has a distinct graininess in dark pictures that can not be fixed in settings and which has puzzled my coworkers who professionally calibrate TVs) barely fits on the surface it's on as it is.
If the Vizio had built in smart capability, a tuner, and didn't require Cast, I think it would be a far easier choice, but for some reason the thought of wasting $120 on a Roku Premiere+ that will become obsolete in 4 months is really bothering me. Anyone know a cheaper 4K HDR streaming solution?
Art Vandilay
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You may have actually talked me into the P-series now. I want a 55" though as it will work best for my setup, and I've been worried about the IPS panel. Is there really that big of a difference?
I had to choose between an IPS and VA panel for my family TV, which is located in a reasonably bright room where people view from the sides.
I have a Pioneer Kuro for gaming an and old Pioneer Elite rear-projection that's been kept up for critical viewing. I like my blacks and motion.
The IPS was my choice for family viewing and it was absolutely the right call. The blacks are better than gray, but they are nowhere near what I'd want for a home cinema room. As long as you have a decent amount of ambient lighting for most viewing, and/or wide angles are important then it's the right call. When I do watch at night it makes me sad.
You can always add bias lighting if needed.
I'm pretty sure 3D got dropped in the move to 4K Blu Ray disks, so if they were to include it, it would have to be on a standard Blu Ray.