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The YouTube app on PS4 will have 4K labels, but my TV reports them as 1080p and I don't think they look as good as the TVs native YouTube content that I know is 4K
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Given the difference in positions it is not meaningless at all.
Pro is simply selling on an other level on Amazon.
Also although Xbox has many bundles the main one is the Battlefield 299$ SKU.
Also PS4 has Slim sales as well and even that is ahead of all the other Xbox bundles.
So on Amazon the situation is pretty clear, but of course there are other big retailers to factor.
breakfuss
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Unless I'm just wildly misinformed about how all this works, that's not true. Btw I'd bet that 99% of 4K sets have the ability to already stream 4K content...
Relevant.
MidgarBlowedUp
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1080i and 720p as well. I'd like to see if it will downsample or scale to those resolutions too. Even better if it allowed custom resolutions.
Maybe you could do a better job of critiquing the critic by actually following the link and reading Jeff actually typed, bc you made it clear you didn't.
WhupTroyGAF
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Doh, completely forgot about my TVs own native apps which include YouTube. I'll try it on that instead and see if there's a noticible difference.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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I read it 3 times and nothing was in depth in the review. Try again.
He didn't talk about sound, he didn't talk in depth about the techniques being used and took that in consideration when testing the game outside of just letting us know of these basic techniques that are typically done in gaming, he tested a small amount of games, their was barely any content on VR performance, he even said he saw no difference with HDR and visual fidelity which I still think makes no sense, he didn't do any performance test on how those game ran.....so what part of the review am I supposed to be looking at because it certainly wasn't one about how the hardware compares to its predecessor.
What kind of review for a new piece of hardware is "No improvements to performance and framerate" without actually numbers and some type of video to at least support this? What does that even mean?
The first half of the article was about basic specs we already know but I wanted the raw numbers, examples, something...but no...it was a basic consumer review with empty opinions that had nothing to really back it up until the bottom line that was pretty much what everyone who has been following this console since the specs leaked the first day, already knew. Next....
the beast cast was so painful to listen to last week
If you read it three times, not sure why you would, than you would know it says more than your original hyperbole. Jeff's article isn't meant for the DF audience, some people want to know in plan English what a person thinks. It is hardly empty considering the site and the author.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Has anyone talked about the new Controller? i'm wondering if it has better battery life than the OG controller.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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My original post wasn't a hyperbole because it's exactly what was written point blank period. It's in plain English as you said so it did nothing for me because that's not what I was looking for in a review for a new system which pretty much rides on these details. This publication isn't brand new to in depth review so I'm not sure why this review was so passive. It's new hardware...make an effort to explain some details.
It's boring and hardly anything worth taking seriously and I said that throughout this thread so I wasn't even weighing anything on their review. but I can understand why people dislike it's content because they wanted a second opinion from another tech blog comparable to DF and didn't get that so it's dismissed imo.
FarFromAnyGame
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PS4 Pro |OT| Greatness is Patched
that's not bad
GodlyTwins
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Make it happen.
Unfortunately for me mine is loud. I can't even leave it in standby because it makes some weird noise.
Amazing post. I like the vita
FarFromAnyGame
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Bitch Pudding
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In Germany, the Pro was always one of the best selling items within the whole Amazon games department since its announcement in September (outselling every other SKU, both PS4 and XBOX). Since yesterday, it's #1, outselling the likes of Pokemon Sun and Moon, Battlefield 1 and more importantly, the current Farming Simulator (which is a big deal here
). They must have had A LOT of units in stock, since you still can get your Pro day 1.
I said it in September and I say it again: The Pro is and will stay the best selling SKU within the PS4 family, let alone business for quite a while.
I'm having trouble understanding this mindset. Sony has repeatedly insisted that there will be no separate content for the PS4 Pro whatsoever. PS4 Pro is just that, another PS4. They have more than 40 million regular PS4s out in the wild, they are continuously selling the PS4 slim, and will be continuously selling the slim alongside the pro. It is in their best interest to not fragment their user base, and they are aware of that fact. Why do some people continue to cling to the idea that somehow the pro will have exclusive content down the line?
Always-honest
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depends on your eyes.
Checkerboard Render
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I don't think that's the argument here exactly, I think it's more that as Pro sales go and devs start to target it more aggressively, the regular PS4 will receive less effort at optimization.
You'll have the pro with 1080p or checkerboard 4k, then have the PS4 version at...900p, sub 30fps with tearing, etc. Complaints will be met with "Well get a Pro what did you expect the PS4 is way weaker".
That's at least the more cynical take.
deranged_666
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Any trade-in deals yet in the US for PS4 to PS4 Pro?
Caipirinha
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Over here in Aus the Pro is pre-sold out of all the local electronics and games stores until Xmas.
I see. Looking at it from that angle, that does seem plausible and more likely to happen. Even without the pro, we already have games that run below 30fps on the regular PS4. The disparity would be large once the pro is entered into the equation.
Yeah, I agree with this point of view and see it as a possible issue down the line.
As far as I know they never denied the possibility of dropping the OG PS4, making the Pro the main unit and then introducing another PS that builds on the Pro. That seems more likely than a PS5 with its own exclusive games imo.
BossDarkseid
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They said normal console gens will still happen iircbut a ps5 being 4k enabled suggests that even if the name is different in essence it will operate like the pro. 4k mode/1080p mode etc.
Pretty certain you can still pre order at EB and JB Hifi. I can't find any information anywhere that it has sold out at all.
ronaldthump
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haha. just like PSVR i think. Reading whirlpool and people were saying the headsets were sold out.
Glad I preordered
It all feeds back into market share. If 40 million PS4 vs 10 million PS4Pro then companies will still target a decent regular console experience.
(Note: I really appreciate the way you laid it out and honestly it's a possibility if the generation stretches another 3 years before the next PS.)
Dirtyshubb
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I remembered reading that the Xbox one s can sometimes give a game a 1-3 fps boost on existing games? So seeing a whole bunch of people moan about how the PS pro doesn't improve non patched games or that the patched gains aren't much seems silly since this supposed boost the s gives seems pretty much nothing in comparison.
It's very minor, sure, but it is still beneficial in some cases.
There are a number of PS4 games where that tiny boost would help
Dash_Riprock
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:-(
Is there ANY good hard drives left in stock anywhere to replace the base one? Still kicking myself for not buying the Firecuda when I had the chance.
Is there ANY good hard drives left in stock anywhere to replace the base one? Still kicking myself for not buying the Firecuda when I had the chance.
Considering the PS5 would likely double or triple the PS4 Pro power along with some kind of cpu leap, I have no doubt that it would be successful out of the gate provided the price is good and the games exist. The PS4 had like 700 games out by the time Pro launches. The closer the consoles get to PC specs the easier it is to support them.
As for launching both at the same time. I don't even know where to begin. The Pro 3 years ago would have been hilariously expensive for a console, and large, and hot, and would upset those who worry about power consumption.
Maybe people who buy a Pro as the first console might wait for the PS5 Pro. But the whole idea of waiting 3 years because you don't want a machine that's going to be replaced in 3 years is mad, it'll happen anyway when the next machine launches.
The best thing about this mid gen refresh is that you don't have to upgrade. Games are still going to look as good as they can on PS4 and they are all going to be on the PS4.
Bitch Pudding
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There have been lazy devs before and there will be lazy devs after PS4 Pro launches. The only difference is that now another scapegoat has entered the playing field.
Not in every game. Only selected ones.
Hidden One
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Ha. This has my vote.
Rhazer Fusion
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I'm honestly, thinking the most anyone would allow is $100 and maybe $150, but that is generously speaking.
Patrick Young
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I'm trying to break down what I'm hearing from DF's video review. If I'm using a 1080p display, can I still run games natively in their "4K" modes to supersample automatically?
PS4 Pro |OT| 4 the Kayers
Bitch Pudding
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Speaking of the Firecuda, I am thinking about replacing the HDD with the Seagate ST2000LX001 FireCuda (2TB). I could pre-order one now for 125. Yay or nay?
Dirtyshubb
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That's what I thought.
Honestly while technically it could be better I personally can't think of a single game that I can think 'damn, this game would be better if it only has 1fps more'. It just makes it seem like the argument is made for console wars instead of any practical difference, especially since the vast majority of Base ps4 games already perform better than xbo versions.
Hesemonni
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Wait for benches?
Serious Sam
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I think the biggest problem of Pro so far is that it doesn't give automatic performance boost across all of its library and instead you are at the mercy of each game developers to release a patch.
We heard the excuses and reasoning that Sony didn't want to break compatibility with 700 of titles, but have they actually tested how many games get broken? I just can't fathom that a game locked at 30fps or 60fps could break if they allowed maybe 10% more CPU power and 30% more GPU power when played original PS4 titles. This would fix FPS drops in so many games.
At least they should add a toggle for enthusiasts burred somewhere in the settings that allows to play all games in Pro mode. They could add disclaimers that "it's not guaranteed to function properly blabla", but at least we would have options.
As it is now Pro is good for 30-40 games and that's it.
Xbox One S has a slightly better specs which allows for more FPS in big majority of games, even though gains are small, still better than nothing. And how many games were broken? Exactly 0.
In any case, Sony will really have to do something about is, because when Scorpion comes out it will give massive performance boost to already released games, MS won't split its library like Sony did with Pro vs OG.
We heard the excuses and reasoning that Sony didn't want to break compatibility with 700 of titles, but have they actually tested how many games get broken? I just can't fathom that a game locked at 30fps or 60fps could break if they allowed maybe 10% more CPU power and 30% more GPU power when played original PS4 titles. This would fix FPS drops in so many games.
At least they should add a toggle for enthusiasts burred somewhere in the settings that allows to play all games in Pro mode. They could add disclaimers that "it's not guaranteed to function properly blabla", but at least we would have options.
As it is now Pro is good for 30-40 games and that's it.
Xbox One S has a slightly better specs which allows for more FPS in big majority of games, even though gains are small, still better than nothing. And how many games were broken? Exactly 0.
In any case, Sony will really have to do something about is, because when Scorpion comes out it will give massive performance boost to already released games, MS won't split its library like Sony did with Pro vs OG.