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[BiohazardX95]

Alright i'll give you that ....but yeah mods save you guys all the time - usually within just a few DAYS which is crazy. Doing the obvious work these jack ass developers fail to do and of which they NEVER learn

Console- we get to eat that and often never get a fix, holding out hope for years fpr a patch. It's truly a painful cycle. Silent Hill F hurts extra bad because of that John Linneman impressions video that was glowing and having just come off being burned by MGS Delta- which looks so bad on Pro I dropped it after an hour of play. To think Konami would make the exact same mistake again is mind blowing.

PS- its been 1 month and Konami hasn't even fixed MGS....they've shot to the top of my list of horrible devs/pubs....SH2 on Pro still busted too. The last several months have been tge epitome of bad behavior towards PS5 Pro/console owners with Oblivion (a honest to goodness SCAM on console with how they shadow dropped it), Indiana Jones and Doom just getting small DRS improvement lol, Expedition 33, Atomfall, Dying Light, and Mafia with their trash "enhancements" which amounts to basically gaining better drs range with no other improvements. Mgs Delta and Silent Hill F and Borderlands 4 and Cronos not having support.

About silent hill 2, only the Quality mode looks quite bad in some areas. Performance mode is actually improved over the base system with patch 1.06. Bloober team said a new patch is on its way (I'm expecting it for the anniversary but I don't hold much hope, besides I play on Oled, performance mode is much better in those screens)
MGS Delta does support the pro and it doesn't look that bad, You are exagerating on this one, but I agree that they should improve the performance on all systems, the next patch will release soon and on the pro they will add more graphic options. SHF devs should do the same.
Cronos and borderlands 4 look better on pro also.

 

[adamsapple]

About silent hill 2, only the Quality mode looks quite bad in some areas. Performance mode is actually improved over the base system with patch 1.06. Bloober team said a new patch is on its way (I'm expecting it for the anniversary but I don't hold much hope, besides I play on Oled, performance mode is much better in those screens)
MGS Delta does support the pro and it doesn't look that bad, You are exagerating on this one, but I agree that they should improve the performance on all systems, the next patch will release soon and on the pro they will add more graphic options. SHF devs should do the same.
Cronos and borderlands 4 look better on pro also.

You know the reason, right?

They removed PSSR from the Performance mode and replaced it with the base TSR that UE5 has, the same one OG PS5 uses. Now it essentially runs the base PS5 code with higher DRS and average FPS.

 

[BiohazardX95]

PS5 Pro is an unnecesary console no one asked for. This is just another proof of that. In other hand, it´s nice to see the base PS5 shine. Also, saw a video of the Series S version and it´s looking way good, .

Last gen we didn't want a ps4 pro either but it was worth it, the ps5 can run ps4 pro games with better frames and sometimes resolution. Imagine if we didn't have that upgrade, most games would be stuck at 1080p.
It's the first year of the ps5 pro and we already have tons of games updated and most of those games will likely look better on next gen consoles.

On the other hand, nobody wanted a weaker console like the series S, it's even causing delays on releases of multiplatform games. And that thing is not much cheaper than a digital and much more powerful ps5.

 

[awwr999999]

that's whats so sad about this.
this right here is a POSITIVE example for a UE5 game... in a perfect world, this would be a negative one

A perfect world was Team Silent building their own proprietary engine for the PS2 and using it to knock out game after game.
The only way to get back to that is less expensive, less complicated development targets that incentivize small studios to make their own engines.

 

[Karim]

My guy, you're literally a one-man defense force in this thread and the forum in general that acts more like a defense attorney for Sony when it comes to the pro than an impartial consumer. It's a badly designed horribly unbalanced, underpowered, and overpriced console that failed in near all three of its main pillars that were used as selling points.

It has underwhelmed damn near everyone who purchased it in this thread, and you're out here telling these people they are trolls, clueless, and console warriors for their grievances....how you can't notice your lack of self-awareness is both baffling and concerning.

OK can you tell me what kind of rich discussion provide sentence as shit hardware in this thread and nothing more and why every time are take in the count only the worst case by mediocre developers? Stuff already said millions of time by the same persons how it's not trolling or warring? LIke seriously?

 

[adamsapple]

OK can you tell me what kind of rich discussion provide sentence as shit hardware in this thread and nothing more and why every time are take in the count only the worst case by mediocre developers by the same users? Stuff already said millions of time by the same persons how it's not trolling or warring? LIke seriously?

 

[Karim]

Thank you for you precious contribution as always. Anyway you had to use this GIF in the other previouses posts, I seen a lot more true hysterism by other people.

 

[Dodo123]

Ahhh so many ungrateful users here, not being able to appreciate the PREMIUM experience.
We can only wish James was still around...

And yes, you are right, THOSE F***ING LAZY A$$ DEVS! They also don't deserve it.

 

[Karim]

Ahhh so many ungrateful users here, not being able to appreciate the PREMIUM experience.
We can only wish James was still around...

And yes, you are right, THOSE F***ING LAZY A$$ DEVS! They also don't deserve it.

Where I ever said that, please enlight me. Care at least to read properly what I'm saying.

 

[viveks86]

My question is how jarring is this in motion when playing? I generally don't stand next to grass looking for a reason to be pissed off you know?

I'll report on this within the next couple of days. I put up with it for SH2 remake at 30 fps. Based on the footage so far, I felt sh2 was just as bad, but at half the frame rate.

So I'm more than ok if that's the only issue with this one and it pulls it off at 60. Will know more soon.

A shitty situation for the pro, but that's just the current reality. Hopefully the beta testing ends in 2026.

 

[BiohazardX95]

You know the reason, right?

They removed PSSR from the Performance mode and replaced it with the base TSR that UE5 has, the same one OG PS5 uses. Now it essentially runs the base PS5 code with higher DRS and average FPS.

I know they removed pssr on performance mode, I'm just saying that right now it looks better on pro with performance mode. I also tested the Quality mode and it looks very bad in pro especially in the beginning area, on later areas it's not that noticeable but it definitely needs a patch.
Its quite weird that both silent hill games and MGS have issues on the pro (Maybe Konami hates the pro?) but at least we have confirmation that they are working on resolving those issues, let's see if SHF devs will also work on a fix and we should put pressure on them and on Sony.

 

[Arsic]

I'll report on this within the next couple of days. I put up with it for SH2 remake at 30 fps. Based on the footage so far, I felt sh2 was just as bad, but at half the frame rate.

So I'm more than ok if that's the only issue with this one and it pulls it off at 60. Will know more soon.

A shitty situation for the pro, but that's just the current reality. Hopefully the beta testing ends in 2026.

I'm almost done with the game. I didn't notice this once.

DF is a worthless grifter organization at this point as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Karim]

I'm almost done with the game. I didn't notice this once.

DF is a worthless grifter organization at this point as far as I'm concerned.

Oliver of DF can be overdrammatic with the PSSR flaws, yes, it's the same person who preferred FSR2 on Alan Wake just to say. Not saying issues are not annoying but upscaler at lower resolution can be problematic.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So what? DLSS is a key pillar for nvidia and so is mfg yet multiple games release without support for those features every day?

Lmao, this place sometimes. Go touch grass man. A court case? To argue what?

A console is a console. Fixed hardware. Not a platform with 100s of competing devices and everything else Devs have to think about.

It's the whole reason consoles were supposed to be better. Talk about whataboutism

I mean one of those cases we see pop up regularly. Corsair has just done one on ram speed. I could see one by pro owners that are upset about getting worse performing ports than the base ps5

 

[Karim]

A console is a console. Fixed hardware. Not a platform with 100s of competing devices and everything else Devs have to think about.

It's the whole reason consoles were supposed to be better. Talk about whataboutism

I mean one of those cases we see pop up regularly. Corsair has just done one on ram speed. I could see one by pro owners that are upset about getting worse performing ports than the base ps5

Listen you really shouldn't talk about whataboutism. You are in the first line to shit on the ps5 pro, you never missed a chance. If the hardware was so awful as you claimed, all the games should run worse not just some game by minor developers. Just saying. Funny enough when same stuff happens on series S the tone change drastically. See the same people defend series S with all their soul meanwhile call ps5 pro a failure hardware, it's really something (I'm not referring only to you).

 

[DenchDeckard]

Listen you really shouldn't talk about whataboutism. You are in the first line to shit on the ps5 pro, you never missed a chance. If the hardware was so awful as you claimed, all the games should run worse not just some game by minor developers. Just saying. Funny enough when same stuff happens on series S the tone change drastically. See the same people defend series S with all their soul meanwhile call ps5 pro a failure hardware, it's really something (I'm not referring only to you).

The series s at the time was a low powered cheaper barrier to entry for those who couldn't afford a series x. There is an expectation there. The same that there is an expectation for this. The series s wasn't given a chance and many would say fairly. It's the same thing that's happening here but maybe you are too invested to be able to step away and see that?

Imagine releasing an iPhone pro and it was sometimes worse than a standard iPhone.

 

[kat_on_the_roof]

OK can you tell me what kind of rich discussion provide sentence as shit hardware in this thread and nothing more and why every time are take in the count only the worst case by mediocre developers? Stuff already said millions of time by the same persons how it's not trolling or warring? LIke seriously?

I think both can be true. It is a overpriced and underpowered console and at the same time you caan enjoy your ps5 pro to the fullest. No need to defend its flaws.

Embrace ambivalence

 

[Karim]

I think both can be true. It is a overpriced and underpowered console and at the same time you caan enjoy your ps5 pro to the fullest. No need to defend its flaws.

Embrace ambivalence

Where I have defendend his flaws? I'm just saying the last posts are just about how shitty is the console by the usual suspects without talking anything else. This is warring, nothing more and I pointed out how useless and annoying is such attitude.

 

[Karim]

The series s at the time was a low powered cheaper barrier to entry for those who couldn't afford a series x. There is an expectation there. The same that there is an expectation for this. The series s wasn't given a chance and many would say fairly. It's the same thing that's happening here but maybe you are too invested to be able to step away and see that?

Imagine releasing an iPhone pro and it was sometimes worse than a standard iPhone.

Series s was intially promised to offer the same graphic experience to Series X at 1440p, I want to remind to you. But maybe you were too invested to be able to step away and see that.

 

[CellarDoor81]

I can understand the disappointment of Pro owners. I also own one and although I'm really angry at times like the two Silent Hill games and ask myself, for what I've spent so much money on, I can't deny that other games look absolutely awesome.

I know I'm repeating myself but my two favorite games for example: The Last of Us Part 1 and 2. Every time I start these games on the Pro I'm flashed at how much better they look than on base PS5 And what the Pro can still get out of these games and especially my TV!

What really annoys me is the fact that all games that do NOT run well on the Pro have been developed in Unreal Engine 5. A pattern is forming here.

As before, my biggest wish regarding the Pro is that Bloober Team finally releases the patch for SH2 that improves the graphics and fixes the bugs. Then I would be 100% happy again!
The bugs in Silent Hill f don't bother me nearly as much as they do in SH2!

 

[DenchDeckard]

Series s was intially promised to offer the same graphic experience to Series X at 1440p, I want to remind to you. But maybe you were too invested to be able to step away and see that.

The fact you say this and cant see the irony with the PS5 pro.

 

[Gaiff]

I'm not reading this at all. I'm tired of talking to you. Its a waste of time.

Then don't lie and cherry pick. You tell anyone GPU tiers go up by 50% in price with a 45% increase in performance after two generations, they'll laugh at you because it's bullshit.

 

[Karim]

The fact you say this and cant see the irony with the PS5 pro.

The irony about what? Differently to you I can undertand if someone is disappointed about the Pro. Quite different story when the same people who use the excuse of some bad port (which is not enterly true at all in this case) pass all the time to fill the thread of trolling or warring. But you already knew it and hardly I passed all my time to shit on series S everytime something run badly like you do with the ps5 pro. So.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

The irony about what? Differently to you I can undertand if someone is disappointed about the Pro. Quite different story when the same people who use the excuse of some bad port (which is not enterly true at all in this case) pass all the time to fill the thread of trolling or warring. But you already knew it and hardly I passed all my time to shit on series S everytime something run badly like you do with the ps5 pro. So.

Man, you've been defence forcing hardcore for the past few pages, why do you have to get literally offended about a plastic box ? Like, G'damn man - and it's exactly the same thing in the Switch 2 thread with the 3-4 Nintendo zealots calling anyone that states facts or isn't licking Nintendo's boots a "hater®", frankly, it's gotten comical...

And yes, I do own a Pro and I'm also into the "the Pro has almost been a scam so far" camp, what now ?

The real "hate" and "warring" comes from you hardcore zealots that can't take any kind of criticism of your favorite plastic box.

 

[Karim]

Man, you've been defence forcing hardcore for the past few pages, why do you have to get literally offended about a plastic box ? Like, G'damn man - and it's exactly the same thing in the Switch 2 thread with the 3-4 Nintendo zealots calling anyone that states facts or isn't licking Nintendo's boots a "hater®", frankly, it's gotten comical...

And yes, I do own a Pro and I'm also into the "the Pro has almost been a scam so far" camp, what now ?

The real "hate" and "warring" comes from you hardcore zealots that can't take any kind of criticism of your favorite plastic box.

Defence forcing because I can't "tollerate" clueless posts about shit hardware and nothing more I just stated the obvious, it's just warring and trolling, at least normally in a discussion in a forum it was.But ok.

 

[vkbest]

Then don't lie and cherry pick. You tell anyone GPUs tier go up by 50% in price with a 45% increase in performance after two generations, they'll laugh at you because it's bullshit.

I love how you ignore market depreciation when comparing consoles to PCs. Your marvelous $500 PC GPU from 2020 loses about 75% of its value in just 4–5 years, compared to only about 25% for a PS5 in the same period.

The price increased from PS5 to Pro is around 33%, non 50%. The 45% performance increase is only in raw rasterization. Raytracing increase is higher than that. Also even if PSSR is shit now in some games, will be much better in some months.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The irony about what? Differently to you I can undertand if someone is disappointed about the Pro. Quite different story when the same people who use the excuse of some bad port (which is not enterly true at all in this case) pass all the time to fill the thread of trolling or warring. But you already knew it and hardly I passed all my time to shit on series S everytime something run badly like you do with the ps5 pro. So.

hahaha, you only have PS5 pro owners rightfully annoyed in this thread. Anyway im not beating a dead horse. You do you fanboy

 

[Gaiff]

I love how you ignore market depreciation when comparing consoles to PCs. Your marvelous $500 PC GPU from 2020 loses about 75% of its value in just 4–5 years, compared to only about 25% for a PS5 in the same period.

Yes, so? And 75%? Where do you see 3090s for $400 or 3070s for $125? Not that it's particularly relevant, but 75% is a gross exaggeration.

 

[vkbest]

Yes, so?

You are comparing the value you get from the money you spend in short periods in PC vs Consoles but you are ignoring the cost of upgrading in that short period. Also you are using only one metric to compare PS5 vs Pro

 

[Karim]

hahaha, you only have PS5 pro owners rightfully annoyed in this thread. Anyway im not beating a dead horse. You do you fanboy

so now you show your true face. I already explained to you what really "annoying" me and you continue to reply to me with stupid provocations without even care to what I'm really saying. You should the last person who can call someone fanboy, told you many time but still you persist.

 

[DenchDeckard]

so now you show your true face. I already explained to you what really "annoying" me and you continue to reply to me with stupid provocations without even care to what I'm really saying. You should the last person who can call someone fanboy, told you many time, hope you are more conscious about that.

Only have to look at your recent posts dude. You are obsessed with one platform.

 

[Karim]

Only have to look at your recent posts dude. You are obsessed with one platform.

 

[Gaiff]

You are comparing the value you get from the money you spend in short periods in PC vs Consoles but you are ignoring the cost of upgrading in that short period. Also you are using only one metric to compare PS5 vs Pro

No, we aren't. We're talking about how much the price of the Pro increased in relation to the base PS5 to PC GPUs.

I also checked and ain't no way PC GPUs drop by 75% in value over 4-5 years. Even on jawa, the 3070 is going for $240 minimum.

https://www.jawa.gg/parts/gpus/geforce-rtx-3070-5e481

I'd love to see where you find used Ampere GPUs at 25% of their launch MSRP because I'd definitely buy one for a secondary rig.

 

[Bojji]

I love how you ignore market depreciation when comparing consoles to PCs. Your marvelous $500 PC GPU from 2020 loses about 75% of its value in just 4–5 years, compared to only about 25% for a PS5 in the same period.

The price increased from PS5 to Pro is around 33%, non 50%. The 45% performance increase is only in raw rasterization. Raytracing increase is higher than that. Also even if PSSR is shit now in some games, will be much better in some months.

Are you comparing it to PS5 with disc drive that offers more functions (like cheaper games that you can sell)?

PS5 Pro DE is exactly 50% more than PS5 DE after all price increases in US.

PS5 Pro with disc drive (80$) is ~51% more than PS5 with disc drive.

 

[Karim]

Are you comparing it to PS5 with disc drive that offers more functions (like cheaper games that you can sell)?

PS5 Pro DE is exactly 50% more than PS5 DE after all price increases in US.

PS5 Pro with disc drive (80$) is ~51% more than PS5 with disc drive.

I'm not sure to understand what you try to argue there. Honestly.

 

[Bojji]

I'm not sure to understand what you try to argue there. Honestly.

This is the answer to that:

The price increased from PS5 to Pro is around 33%, non 50%

 

[Physiognomonics]

The fact you say this and cant see the irony with the PS5 pro.

Sure some games have problems on Pro (more than games on PS4 Pro i'd reckon). But actually more games just realize Cerny promise of quality modes at 60fps.

The problem is that PS4 Pro was just 25% more expensive than PS4. Here the price of PS5 Pro is a shameful scam (notably outside US). But they just don't care as for Sony it's a way to train developers for PS6 and to prevent a few customers to buy a PC.

 

[Karim]

Sure some games have problems on Pro (more than games on PS4 Pro i'd reckon). But actually more games just realize Cerny promise of quality modes at 60fps.

The problem is that PS4 Pro was just 25% more expensive than PS4. Here the price of PS5 Pro is a shameful scam. But they just don't care as for Sony it's a way to train developers for PS6 and to prevent a few customers to buy a PC.

He never promised exactly that. He talked about to blur the line between quality and perfomance mode on Pro. But as always people understand only what they want.

 

[scydrex]

Are you comparing it to PS5 with disc drive that offers more functions (like cheaper games that you can sell)?

PS5 Pro DE is exactly 50% more than PS5 DE after all price increases in US.

PS5 Pro with disc drive (80$) is ~51% more than PS5 with disc drive.

Are you taking in consideration the base ps5 comes with 1tb space? If not then would be fair to add a nvme 1tb.

 

[Bernardougf]

Ah come on. There are mostly posts in the last pages about the console pro as a piece of shit or I never buy this shit and so on, the hell of contribution give such stupid stuff. If you don't like or regret about the Pro, sell it or never buy one. Otherwise those people are trolling and nothing more.

 

[Bojji]

Are you taking in consideration the base ps5 comes with 1tb space? If not then would be fair to add a nvme 1tb.

More space is a nice thing to have not exactly required to play the games (like disc drive for physical games). MVME 1TB gen4 drives are ~55-60$.

 

[Bernardougf]

I bought silent hill 2 since it was on sale and I'm waiting for the pro patch to fix it before I play.

Looks like they just can't get games to run on unreal 5 correctly. Man unreal 5 sucks ass.

Dont think this patch is coming since bloober has moved on. ... I did the same thing and eventually I gaveup and played the game... after a while you get used to the flickering and is worse in open parts... once the game goes more "inside" its not an issue.

 

[Edmund]

Tried to do an upskirt angle but the game wouldn't let me. Did DF also mention this flaw??

 

[Danjin44]

Tried to do an upskirt angle but the game wouldn't let me. Did DF also mention this flaw??

 

[Karim]

 

[Karim]

Dont think this patch is coming since bloober has moved on. ... I did the same thing and eventually I gaveup and played the game... after a while you get used to the flickering and is worse in open parts... once the game goes more "inside" its not an issue.

You think wrong because they said to still work on it with Sony.

 

[viveks86]

Thanks! Now I'm craving Subway

 

[Killer8]

It's both hilarious and sad that this is the experience a 700$ console provides.
I know many of you don't like him but here are a few observations from Alex.

What is this political violence apologist implying? That PC is immune to shader compilation stutter?

His own video shows the game is very clearly afflicted by it on PC on first run:

It's so bad that the fucking character hands don't draw in for 5 seconds in an opening cutscene.

I would take noisy shadows in grass over this bullshit any day of the week.

Also embarrassing how John - who gets paid for this analysis btw - was salivating over how well the game ran on PC at a pre-release demo event, when he should have had enough deductive reasoning to realize that it just might've been running so well because of a warmed shader cache.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Edit: I have removed my commentary. It wasn't fun enough. Suffice it to say my copy is on the way for PS5 Pro and I'm hyped as shit.

 

[Bernardougf]

Thanks! Now I'm craving Subway

Well ... you call it what you have to bro.. as long as your stomach is full