Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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Maedre
Banned
So, I got my 43X800D and tried HDR.
I tried Last of Us, Final Fantasy XV, infamous first light, Last guardian. Until know I'm a little bit disappointed. I used the guide in this thread an activated HDR for 4K and it clearly is activated.
It would be nice if there was a way to activate and deactivate HDR inhale on the fly.
I tried Last of Us, Final Fantasy XV, infamous first light, Last guardian. Until know I'm a little bit disappointed. I used the guide in this thread an activated HDR for 4K and it clearly is activated.
It would be nice if there was a way to activate and deactivate HDR inhale on the fly.
Yup. It is pretty much why I don't really want to post anymore. The same questions have been answered dozens if not hundreds of times. I love helping out too but only so many times can something be asked.
Maedre
Banned
That's my problem too. It's hard to summarize all Infos over so many posts.
Yea. You've been a hero here replying to so many questions. But like you said, most of them are the same question that could've been avoided if looked through the thread, or even a few pages back.
Still, i like helping but we should either make a wiki, or add it to the OP with the most frequent questions asked. Then we can just refer people to the OP.
Sorry
Has nothing to do with you brother. I did not see your question as it is. Seems to be a valid question asked as well. But a lot of questions should just be added to OP with their answers so it is easier to get info.
Theognosis
Member
Yes, the increase in lag when MotionFlow is turned on is negligible in the X800D. It's not bad at all. It's actually amazing. Sony's interpolation wizardry is several classes above Samsung's implementation (>100ms lag is unplayable). It's great in making these games run smoother:
- Steep
- Ratchet & Clank
- Uncharted 4
- The Last Guardian
- NBA 2K17 (MotionFlow makes it even smoother)
- Xenoblade Chronicles X
- Mario Color Splash
- Zelda Wind Waker
BTW, here's a video review of the X800D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KrXUqcbkAc
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Infamous First Light lets you turn HDR on and off in the menu. It's kinda meh in terms of implementation.
Ratchet and Clank is the best HDR enabled game I've seen.
mullet2000
Member
Hey there folks.
I'm having issues with HDR on my XBO S. I have the 43" model of this set.
Basically, games in HDR mode look really colourless and washed out on XBO. I've tried Gears 4 and Forza Horizon 3. Gears looks especially bad, like completely ruined in terms in image quality with it on.
However, HDR through my PS4 Pro or PC (Shadow Warrior 2) both look great. Not washed out, colours pop nicely, no issues. This is with the same TV settings (mostly rtings settings) and is true across all inputs.
Am I missing something? I've messed around with XBO settings (limited vs full, 8 bit vs 10 bit, etc) but I just cannot make it look good.
Does hdr just suck on XBO or am I missing something? Others are saying both these games look great in hdr so I'm sure it isn't that it just sucks.
I'm having issues with HDR on my XBO S. I have the 43" model of this set.
Basically, games in HDR mode look really colourless and washed out on XBO. I've tried Gears 4 and Forza Horizon 3. Gears looks especially bad, like completely ruined in terms in image quality with it on.
However, HDR through my PS4 Pro or PC (Shadow Warrior 2) both look great. Not washed out, colours pop nicely, no issues. This is with the same TV settings (mostly rtings settings) and is true across all inputs.
Am I missing something? I've messed around with XBO settings (limited vs full, 8 bit vs 10 bit, etc) but I just cannot make it look good.
Does hdr just suck on XBO or am I missing something? Others are saying both these games look great in hdr so I'm sure it isn't that it just sucks.
The Elite
BOSS
What's your brightness setting in HDR mode?
mullet2000
Member
The TV automatically maxes it out when it goes to HDR for me.
I tried seeing what decreasing it looks like but it just made it look even more muted, tbqh.
The Elite
BOSS
Hmm. It does get notably darker on my set to using the Xbox One but the colours still look great. I had previously tried the rtings settings and didn't really like them. I am on the 49" though so it's a different type of panel.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
If anything your IPS panel should give a more muted look, while his VA panel should be giving the better picture.
People also need to know it depends on game to game. But yes, when using HDR enabled content, backlight needs to be max. Apparently that's true for really all TV brands.
Also, make sure your RGB settings on the TV is on auto, as it is on the PS4 video settings.
Is your Xbox One S connected to the TV at either HDMI port number 2 or 3?
Make sure your Xbox One video settings are set to RGB TV. Not RGB PC. RGB PC is notorious for giving the Xbox One crushed blacks. Even if your TV is on RGB Full to match.
mullet2000
Member
Yes to everything you've said - It's in port 2, backlight is maxed, xbox one isn't set to RGB PC, and the TV settings are on auto
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Does anyone keep HDR mode on at all times? Is there any drawback to doing so?
Thanks. Item currently unavailable but will make note of the specs.
On another note(multiple notes):
1. does anyone have any experience with the archos media player for nas on the google app store on the set? I downloaded it to stream stuff off my nas, which works great on *.avi's. For other encoded formats, I can either pay for the archos app to unlock the codecs or download a free one, not from archos that unlocks all of them. It has 1mil plus downloads. Is the free one safe to install?
2. How can you enable motionflow universally for all inputs? specifically when i'm using google cast, youtube, archos app etc. I looked in the manual but I can't see to find it.
Obviously SDR content will look completly wrong... just keep HDR on Auto.
No, it comes with a native Android TV Amazon Prime Video app if that is what you're talking about. Supports 4K HDR too unlike when it's sideloaded on other devices (like Shield TV)
The Elite
BOSS
Ah. This is the problem. I am in Canada so by default it wasn't available since we didn't have Amazon Video when it release. Now that Amazon Video is available in Canada there is no app.
I wonder if they will patch it in with a firmware update. I want that 4k HDR.
Thank you, this is really helpful (as well as the other comments that replied to my question about KS8000 vs x800D).
I have decided to go out and buy the x800D today! Woohoo! If I'm using an OG PS4, do I need an HDMI 2.0 or whatever cable for HDR?
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Yea, be sure to also use ports 2 or 3 and turn enhanced mode on in the settings.
Where is the setting to do this?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Doing so's a complete waste. It just blows out every standard image.
Please do not do this. It will completely ruin image quality for any and all SDR content.
The content (signal source) ITSELF must send the HDR flags, as they require differently mapped electro-optical transfer functions and color container.
HDR should only be manually set 'on' only in cases of incompatibilities or test signals.
It should be auto (which is default) always.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I just went with Amazon's listed price, which was 650. I don't think I'll return, but was it about 100 bucks too much or so?
I haven't seen it any cheaper.
Ken Adams
Member
I just bought the amazon basics hdmi to try and it freaking works just as good as the one you get with the ps4 pro. Less than 10 bucks too.
Edit: nm just saw that u said 10 meters
Yes 10 meters is typically active HDMI territory.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
They can be a crap shoot. Neither of the Amazon Basics cables I bought worked. 4K RGB made them freak out.
I'm using this one without any problems (4k60 4:2:0 HDR / 4K60 4:4:4). Maybe it also exists in your country
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00FK0YSOY/
YMMV though, anything beyond 9m is considered out of spec for an HDMI cable
Yup just bought mine today from Best Buy! $650. Well $700 after taxes (Arizona). The cheaper I've ever seen this tv was $600 around black Friday on Amazon.
Any tips and trick from fellow X800D users I should know about (besides the ones in the OP)?
Not at all. If I didn't know better, I wouldn't even know the TV had one
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Do you think forcing the TV to display an HDR color space on software that isn't designed for it a good idea? C'mon man you know better. =p
Not at all. If I didn't know better, I wouldn't even know the TV had one
Exactly what I wanted to hear...thanks!
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Keep in mind, for 500 dollars cheaper it actually does some (video game important) things better than the Ks8000.
The big one is 13ms pixel response time versus 18ms (this is crucial especially for VA panels regarding pixel color transition times). Most importantly applied during fast camera movements (i.e, video games and sports).
GamePnoy74
Member
Geez...I finally figured out how to play The Grand Tour on my XBR43X800D in proper Ulta HD.
My reaction:
My reaction:
Coolbgdog12
Member
Okay so I just bought this TV and I have to say I'm not impressed really.
I followed the guide settings on the first page and I really don't see a difference at all with HDR ON. I tried UC4 and Infamous First Light. It's almost like it looks sort of... washed out?? Idk it just doesn't make me go "wow". I tried the 75" version at my friends house and I could tell the difference with HDR on UC4 as off it looked like it bad.
The TV is updated, the brightness is set to MAX when HDR is on and enhanced HDMI is turned on for ports 2/3.
PS4 is set to auto on everything and it says HDR supported 2k/4k 60hz.
Any help?
I followed the guide settings on the first page and I really don't see a difference at all with HDR ON. I tried UC4 and Infamous First Light. It's almost like it looks sort of... washed out?? Idk it just doesn't make me go "wow". I tried the 75" version at my friends house and I could tell the difference with HDR on UC4 as off it looked like it bad.
The TV is updated, the brightness is set to MAX when HDR is on and enhanced HDMI is turned on for ports 2/3.
PS4 is set to auto on everything and it says HDR supported 2k/4k 60hz.
Any help?
Geez...I finally figured out how to play The Grand Tour on my XBR43X800D in proper Ulta HD.
My reaction:
All of Amazon's HDR content looks fucking amazing!
Try out Goliath and Man in the High Castle.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
So for those wondering, I tried the advanced calibration settings that rtings posted, and even though they warn that settings may be different panel to panel, following their advanced color adjustment created a picture for me. The reds and oranges no longer look so saturated. Try it out.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d/settings
Keep in mind their brightness setting of 1 is an unlikely fit for you. Since that's calibrating at a room that's near absolute dark. I have mine at 25. And of course it should go to max when playing HDR enabled content.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d/settings
Keep in mind their brightness setting of 1 is an unlikely fit for you. Since that's calibrating at a room that's near absolute dark. I have mine at 25. And of course it should go to max when playing HDR enabled content.
Do you have a 43" VA or a 49" IPS panel?
I did the same on the 43" VA and it was way off, worse than uncalibrated, and I have test equipment - so take this with a grain of salt - sure, give it a try - but your mileage may vary.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Okay. So, a person with this TV made a separate thread saying that they don't notice the HDR. It seems this person had the same "bug" I had. Ultimately, you know HDR is coming through when you see the little "HDR" symbol when you check your picture settings while HDR software is on/enabled. Before I fixed the problem, I did not have this HDR symbol show up, giving me the false impression that HDR was on, when it was indeed not. I don't know who's at fault, the TV or the Pro in communication. Luckily, once I fixed it, it's fixed. No problems.
Anyway, observe. You should see the HDR symbol. If you do not see this HDR symbol, you are not getting HDR.
