Heckler456
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The Last of Us Part II announced
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Looks a whole bunch like Ellie to me.
Yep, I'm honestly surprised some people think she looks drastically different. If anything, she looks closer to her ps3 counterpart than any of the Uncharted characters. I have to wonder what they expected a 19 year old Ellie would look like.
william_557
Member
i did see the likeness in Tess
but she still looks like ellie i think
it will also be interesting to play as an older ellie (as to whether or not we'll be playing as Joel)
but she still looks like ellie i think
it will also be interesting to play as an older ellie (as to whether or not we'll be playing as Joel)
We only saw short teaser. I don't expect that kind of problem in the full game, chars will be recognizable.
not really
Looks a whole bunch like Ellie to me.
comshoplesce
Member
they still have time to fix this, game is in early development, as alpha...
this is 2018 release date i believe.
this is 2018 release date i believe.
funkystudent
Member
Obviously they changed her look but that one shit of just her eyes in the trailer super looks like Ellie eyes. As well as the part of her lower face with blood dripping down is totally recognisable as her too. Just for whatever reason you put those together and add much better animation then last gen and she looks real different.
This isn't confirmation, but the voice actor that played Tommy has been tweeting about TLOU2
https://twitter.com/pierce_jeffrey/status/805487244211429376
I mean it makes sense that he'd be in it, they've presumably been living at his settlement for the past 5 year.
In the room where Ellie is singing, there are a bunch of posters on the wall. Most of the writing on them is illegible with the exception of one, which has the word "THESEUS" clearly printed on it. She believes that the story of TLOU2 may be loosely based on the Greek myth about Theseus.
https://twitter.com/pierce_jeffrey/status/805487244211429376
I mean it makes sense that he'd be in it, they've presumably been living at his settlement for the past 5 year.
In the room where Ellie is singing, there are a bunch of posters on the wall. Most of the writing on them is illegible with the exception of one, which has the word "THESEUS" clearly printed on it. She believes that the story of TLOU2 may be loosely based on the Greek myth about Theseus.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I like the theory that those people dead on the ground are actually allies, not foes.
I don't think I could hold back my tears when characters reappear. I cried when in TWD S2
appeared.
I don't think I could hold back my tears when characters reappear. I cried when in TWD S2
Kenny.........
But it should have worked for everyone.
And they just needed to add a cutscene or make it so, the doctor attacks you after a few seconds.
For those who immediately shot the doctor it wouldn't have been any different and for us, it wouldn't have taken us completely out of the game.
I know I did.
Heckler456
Banned
What? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Nothing can work for everyone, especially when you have millions of people hammering away at it.
If it's that simple, then why would you possibly think that the dozens of people who worked on and tested that particular bit of the game didn't bring it up, but eventually decided to leave it the way it is now?
Primethius
Banned
Late to this because I was banned at the time (T_T) but...
YES! PSX was a stunning show (double Yakuza =O) but my god, this announcement was absolutely insane. I went crazy in Discord with my buddies once the hand popped up.
And then Joel!
ND, you beautiful bastards you!
YES! PSX was a stunning show (double Yakuza =O) but my god, this announcement was absolutely insane. I went crazy in Discord with my buddies once the hand popped up.
And then Joel!
ND, you beautiful bastards you!
TissueBox
Member
That's an interesting segment because it was, in fact, originally supposed to be a cutscene, the entire sequence with Joel barging into the procedure all the way up to taking Ellie to the elevator, but then another designer suggested that Neil make it interactive and he thought it was a cool idea so worked it in.
Self_Destructive
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I think it's possible. The way Neil sounded during the PSX panel suggests we'll see gameplay in the coming months.. and E3 is in the coming months, so I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just not going to get too hopeful as to be disappointed if it's not.
Fancy Clown
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I think its a safe bet there will be. Hasn't there always been a gameplay demo of ND's game at the E3 following its announcement?
I could see it happening. The blog post from Neil certainly gives me hope.
http://www.naughtydog.com/blog/the_last_of_us_part_ii
That's because it was essentially rebooted after Neil and Bruce came on. The first trailer was Amy's version of UC4, the second was for the game we actually ended up getting.
Uncharted got another trailer and then we got gameplay at PSX later that year. So if not E3 then probably next year's PSX.
pharmboy044
Member
Are there any other media interviews with Neil regarding TLOU2 or did he just do the panel?
Rest of the game worked pretty good for everyone.
And Idk.
Maybe everyone from ND and their play testers just shot the doctor right away.
Don't really know what would be so difficult about adding a cutscene or make the doctor attack you for when the player doesn't do anything for a few seconds.
I mean hell, you can run right up to him and he just stands there. Doesn't attack nor backs up.
Heckler456
Banned
Ehm, no? There are plenty of people who don't actually like particular parts of the game. The part after the intro is often criticized. Doesn't mean it's bad.
Regardless though, I don't need be discussing this with you. Expecting absolute perfection is an inherently inane argument, and one that is self-defeating.
You're just repeating what you said, so I'll repeat what I said. If it's that easy, then they probably thought of it, and didn't implement it because they either didn't want to, or because they couldn't due to what is most likely encroaching deadlines.
The fact of the matter is that you're an outsider looking at a finished product that took hundreds of people years to make.
Besides, your solutions are kind of absolutely terrible too. The cutscene would just invite other types of criticism, like "the game just took away control at an arbitrary point in time while I was figuring out what to do!". And it wouldn't make sense for the doctor to try to engage this guy who just managed to steamroll through an entire army of armed professionals. Try to scare off, sure. Standing his ground, sure. But attacking Joel is suicide. And running into people to make them "move" isn't an established mechanic to begin with.
Point of the matter is that a reasonable amount of use-cases were accounted for. Yours just fell outside of that.
You really don't see a difference between the part at the beginning some didn't like and that particular sequence, where if you don't do anything nothing will happen? Where an enemy just stands there with a weapon but doesn't attack you and you can run right up to him and he still won't do anything?
And again, maybe such situation never happened when people from ND or play testers played that section!?
And are you even reading what I wrote?
The cutscene shouldn't start right when you enter the room. After a couple of seconds.
And again, maybe such situation never happened when people from ND or play testers played that section!?
And are you even reading what I wrote?
The cutscene shouldn't start right when you enter the room. After a couple of seconds.
Heckler456
Banned
Yes, I'm reading what you're writing. And I think you're blatantly wrong.
I understood what you meant with the cutscene thing. Even if the cutscene plays 30 seconds into the encounter, there will still be people comparable to you who wanted to wait 31 seconds, and who feel like they were fucked over by the game mechanic.
He doesn't "stand there with a weapon and doesn't attack you". He is clearly just trying to block you from moving any further by threatening you with a scalpel. He isn't trying to kill Joel. In fact, having him attack you completely undermines the crux of that particular sequence, which is that the doctors don't form a threat to Joel.
If you as the player interact with him in the exact same way you've interacted with literally every single NPC previously, which is pressing square, Joel kills him. Could they have been even more sophisticated about it? Sure they could have, but they probably couldn't, because time is and budgets are limited.
I think Neil's answer to this AMA is actually the best solution to the that particular situation, but seeing as how he's aware of it, it's quite clear that the ending is the way that it is because of constraints either budgetary or in terms of deadlines.
I understood what you meant with the cutscene thing. Even if the cutscene plays 30 seconds into the encounter, there will still be people comparable to you who wanted to wait 31 seconds, and who feel like they were fucked over by the game mechanic.
He doesn't "stand there with a weapon and doesn't attack you". He is clearly just trying to block you from moving any further by threatening you with a scalpel. He isn't trying to kill Joel. In fact, having him attack you completely undermines the crux of that particular sequence, which is that the doctors don't form a threat to Joel.
If you as the player interact with him in the exact same way you've interacted with literally every single NPC previously, which is pressing square, Joel kills him. Could they have been even more sophisticated about it? Sure they could have, but they probably couldn't, because time is and budgets are limited.
I think Neil's answer to this AMA is actually the best solution to the that particular situation, but seeing as how he's aware of it, it's quite clear that the ending is the way that it is because of constraints either budgetary or in terms of deadlines.
Well he thinks it could be better.
A pretty central theme in that AMA was that games are never ready, but you just have to ship them at some point. There are probably dozens of things they would have wanted to keep working on, but I kind of doubt that they kept anything they thought was outright bad, especially in such a pivotal moment.
I found something interesting about The Last Of Us back-story that I thought was worth mentioning (tried unsuccessfully to get a mod to start a thread for me at the time). I found an easter egg in one of the early trailers that I thought hinted at a prequel but perhaps it's just back-story.
Naughty Dog based the "infection" on the Cordyceps fungus that spread to humans but how this might have occurred was never revealed.
During the Extended Live Action TV Spot trailer, which I believe only aired in Australia and New Zealand, a strange code sh070 appears in the top right at the 17 second mark for about 2 seconds. Knowing Naughty Dog's like for easter eggs in previous games I got curious.
A google of "sh070" turns up that this is the code for a gene in fruit flies. That's quite a co-incidence given that Cordyceps affects many insects, including fruit flies, and 75% of known human disease genes have a recognizable match in the genome of fruit flies which is why there are on-going studies with fruit flies even today to research Cordyceps and human disease.
Could this be the initial cause of the infection?
Naughty Dog based the "infection" on the Cordyceps fungus that spread to humans but how this might have occurred was never revealed.
During the Extended Live Action TV Spot trailer, which I believe only aired in Australia and New Zealand, a strange code sh070 appears in the top right at the 17 second mark for about 2 seconds. Knowing Naughty Dog's like for easter eggs in previous games I got curious.
A google of "sh070" turns up that this is the code for a gene in fruit flies. That's quite a co-incidence given that Cordyceps affects many insects, including fruit flies, and 75% of known human disease genes have a recognizable match in the genome of fruit flies which is why there are on-going studies with fruit flies even today to research Cordyceps and human disease.
Could this be the initial cause of the infection?
comshoplesce
Member
Nice find joystick 
crackhead_bob
Member
What about domestic dogs and bears? And what other domestic livestock could potentially work? Cows? Horses perhaps?
Prototype Viktor
Member
Most likely because the lost of fat in her face, considering she hasn't lived in the "quarantine zone" all her life might have had less to eat then plus puberty
dragonbane
Member
The doctor scene isnt universally acclaimed in the slightest. Its probably the most controversial scene in the entire game. The gameplay part that follows right after is universally acclaimed (escaping with Ellie) and of course the ending. We don't need to discuss this anyway as the creator himself admitted this scene could have been better and proposed an idea that would have satisfied me and likely most others just fine.
Heckler456
Banned
"Did you kill all three of the doctors, or just the one" is like one of the most asked question about the game when you're discussing it with other people. The most controversial scene in the entire game? Myeah, no...
Small TLOU ending spoiler
Wow, saw something I didn't even know about last night while replaying the end sequence, you can totally fail carrying Ellie out of the hospital, there will be a heartbreaking cutscene of the soldiers taking her back and then goes on to kill Joel.
That's the real ending.
That's the real ending.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
I'll admit this happened to me the first time I played it. I was like "Holy shit that's a real fucked up ending!" Then when it respawned me at the last checkpoint, I immediately realized I just sucked lolSmall TLOU ending spoiler
Wow, saw something I didn't even know about last night while replaying the end sequence, you can totally fail carrying Ellie out of the hospital, there will be a heartbreaking cutscene of the soldiers taking her back and then goes on to kill Joel.
That's the real ending.
Whompa02
Member
I can't stop thinking about TLOU now. God dammit Naughty Dog. Why can't Part 2 come out like next week?!
That happened to me. I was like...oh...I guess that's it...but then yeah, nope.
Small TLOU ending spoiler
Wow, saw something I didn't even know about last night while replaying the end sequence, you can totally fail carrying Ellie out of the hospital, there will be a heartbreaking cutscene of the soldiers taking her back and then goes on to kill Joel.
That's the real ending.
That happened to me. I was like...oh...I guess that's it...but then yeah, nope.
comshoplesce
Member
how to get this other ending?
GalacticMouse
Member
So I was thinking about their launch window today after hearing the Kinda Funny crew talking about TLoU being a 2018/2019 game and I'm actually pretty curious if this game is closer than many people think. It was hedged as being "super early" in development by Shawn Layden at PSX, but here's Naughty Dog's history with announcements, target dates, and release dates...
Uncharted 2 - No Delay
Announced: 12/17/2008
Target Date: Holiday 2009
Released: 10/13/2009
Uncharted 3 - No Delay
Announced: 12/13/2010
Target Date: Holiday 2011
Released: 11/1/2011
The Last of Us - Delayed 6-7 months
Announced: 12/10/2011
Target Date: Holiday 2012
Released: 6/14/2013
Up until this point, it's clear that Naughty Dog has pushed for a one year marketing run on their games, announcing in December and targeting release in the following holiday period. Although TLoU broke from that pattern, we know from their marketing materials that 2012 was the original target date. On the other hand, Uncharted 4 is where it gets dicey...
Uncharted 4 - Complete Re-Write/Re-Casting, Multiple Delays
Announced: 11/14/2013 (PS4 Launch Date)
Released: 5/14/2016
The question here is..how much of the 2.5 year lead in was attributed to the re-writes and re-casting of Sam vs. how much was attributed to their original marketing plan for the game. The first date we ever got for UC4 was "2015" (E3 2014 Trailer). Up until this point, Naughty Dog had fallen into a pattern of announcing games 12 months before launch, so I find it hard to imagine they announced the game two full years before their initial target date for two reasons...
1) It would be a break from their studio's strategy
2) I don't believe Neil & Bruce's re-structuring of the game only caused a six month delay (from Holiday 2015 to May 2016).
If that's the case, it seems the original target date when the game was announced was likely to be somewhere between November 2014 - May/June 2015, with Amy Hennig's departure (beginning of 2014) pushing the game another 12-18 months, eventually to May 2016 after multiple delays.
Basically what I'm saying is, more than any of their other games, Uncharted 4 is an anomaly with regards to announcing early...and the development of that game was far from smooth from what we know. Naughty Dog has also snowed us before with the quick reveal/release of The Last of Us after Uncharted 3 because no one knew they were two teams. Maybe I'm crazy...but I really do wonder if they're targeting a late 2017 / early 2018 release for TLoU 2.
Uncharted 2 - No Delay
Announced: 12/17/2008
Target Date: Holiday 2009
Released: 10/13/2009
Uncharted 3 - No Delay
Announced: 12/13/2010
Target Date: Holiday 2011
Released: 11/1/2011
The Last of Us - Delayed 6-7 months
Announced: 12/10/2011
Target Date: Holiday 2012
Released: 6/14/2013
Up until this point, it's clear that Naughty Dog has pushed for a one year marketing run on their games, announcing in December and targeting release in the following holiday period. Although TLoU broke from that pattern, we know from their marketing materials that 2012 was the original target date. On the other hand, Uncharted 4 is where it gets dicey...
Uncharted 4 - Complete Re-Write/Re-Casting, Multiple Delays
Announced: 11/14/2013 (PS4 Launch Date)
Released: 5/14/2016
The question here is..how much of the 2.5 year lead in was attributed to the re-writes and re-casting of Sam vs. how much was attributed to their original marketing plan for the game. The first date we ever got for UC4 was "2015" (E3 2014 Trailer). Up until this point, Naughty Dog had fallen into a pattern of announcing games 12 months before launch, so I find it hard to imagine they announced the game two full years before their initial target date for two reasons...
1) It would be a break from their studio's strategy
2) I don't believe Neil & Bruce's re-structuring of the game only caused a six month delay (from Holiday 2015 to May 2016).
If that's the case, it seems the original target date when the game was announced was likely to be somewhere between November 2014 - May/June 2015, with Amy Hennig's departure (beginning of 2014) pushing the game another 12-18 months, eventually to May 2016 after multiple delays.
Basically what I'm saying is, more than any of their other games, Uncharted 4 is an anomaly with regards to announcing early...and the development of that game was far from smooth from what we know. Naughty Dog has also snowed us before with the quick reveal/release of The Last of Us after Uncharted 3 because no one knew they were two teams. Maybe I'm crazy...but I really do wonder if they're targeting a late 2017 / early 2018 release for TLoU 2.
Cue "yes, you are crazy" comments...
comshoplesce
Member
Nice thinking, but i have doubts TLOU PART 2 is early 2018, me thinks it's late 2018 or early 2019......or ND can throw us some surprise not sure......
it's not TLOU 2 it's TLOU PART 2
TLOU 2 is next maybe
it's not TLOU 2 it's TLOU PART 2
TLOU 2 is next maybe
Not crazy, I've been saying the exact same thing.
I imagine Uncharted 4 would have taken a while anyway, new platform and all, but the reason it took as long as it did was mainly down to the change in direction. It would've probably been an early to mid 2015 release had Amy stayed on.
For TLOU2, I think they're probably targeting mid 2018, 2017 seems too early. It'll probably get delayed to fall though, they're massive perfectionists.
Didn't Neil say that they almost decided to wait until E3 to reveal? Maybe it was just marketing talk, but if not, it doesn't bode well for 2017.
I really doubt 2019 as well. I'm putting my money on 23.10.2018. Mark it in your calendars people!
GalacticMouse
Member
I actually interpreted that as E3 2016. Troy and Ashley said they shot the trailer over a year ago, so that made it sound like it's been in the hopper a while.
honestly it not being a cutscene was a great moment. no fuck you this is joel's story and joel fucks people up, you can't be nice about it, you can't rationalize your way out of it. That's what this guy does.
He talked about waiting until E3 which makes no sense for 2016. Also where did you hear the trailer is old? I thought it was new but Neil contacted Ashley about the song etc. a while back.
Prototype Viktor
Member
In that same thing he said they shot it 1 1/2 years ago
Heckler456
Banned
By the way, I've been wrecking my brain as to where exactly I know the original artist of the song that Ashley Johnson sings in the trailer from, and I just realized that he's the same guy who did this really cool cover of John Legend's "Who Did That To You".
