The Last of Us Part II announced

strafer said:
I see it like some kinda test to see how invested you were in the characters which is why this is near the end.

On my first playthrough I was angry and sad so I let nothing get in my way. I pulled out my 9mm and gave them one shot the head. That's how my Joel handled the situation.
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I did the same. Doctors we're about to murder Ellie and a bunch of people with guns were chasing me. I didn't hesitate to pull the trigger on the doctor.
 
comshoplesce said:
Predictions?

1. Length - I hope again around 15-20 hours
2. Difficulty settings - Easy/Normal/Hard/Survivor/Grounded
3. Trophies - please no MP trophies for Platinum :)

and that you need 2 runs to full update Ellie, her equipments etc.
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MP trophies are probably not going anywhere, but I'd imagine they won't take a few dozen hours this time.

What I'm expecting (or hoping) is a revamped melee system. Sure, it's well animated and has that nice oomph to it but at the end of the day you're basically smashing square. Melee should become a full-fledged gameplay system next to sneaking and shooting.
 
Alienous said:
The point is that Joel would kill him, and you're helpless to stop that. He's a surgeon who was going to operate on Ellie and kill her in the process. And Joel isn't beyond putting a scapel in the neck of someone who's a threat to Ellie. This isn't the same Joel who pleads with people, like seen at the beginning of the game. He's a cruel dude. He kills people because they are better dead than to be an inconvenience.

The entire last segment of The Last of Us is an illustration of how Joel is far from a good dude.
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But I (and some others) didn't want to.
And we got this weird situation were nothing happened and you couldn't do anything.
Quite the atmosphere killer.

For us it would have been better if there were a cut scene or the doctor attacked us and we had to execute a qte.
 
scream said:
Well after reading Neil Druckmann's wikipedia page, I found an interesting quote from him:


I don't necessarily agree that in order to make a non-sexualized female character you just need to remove her breasts and be done with it. I imagine there are other, more sophisticated and better ways to it.
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I think ND has incorporated a lot of things to try to stop Ellie from becoming sexualized, even though some of you seem to be fighting it tooth and nail. These types of conversations gross me out and really make me second-guess my hobby.

Oh, and I killed everybody in the surgical suite every time I played through. No regrets, no hesitation.
 
Sande said:
Anyone who killed the other two is a monster. A monster!
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Nah. Don't fuck with Ellie, you won't get fucked with. Shot all three of 'em first time, I was in such a rage I didn't even know I didn't have to. Fuck 'em, they tried to scoop out a teenagers brain.
 
scream said:
I know it doesnt really matter, but surely im not the only one who thinks Ellie's model is kinda weird for a 19 yo female character... right? (you guys know what im talking about).

I dont really care but it just.. weird.
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scream said:
You're wrong, its just something that caught my eye, thats it.

Im being vague cause I dont want to make the wrong impression and get banned or something.
Im talking about the design decision to make her completely flat chested.

I never cared about these kind of stuff, but its definitely something that looked weird to me right away.
Im alone in this right? godammit.
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scream said:
So let me rephrase that a little bit.
I dont care about a breast size of a fictional character in a video game.
I do care about the thought process that went into making her that way.
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scream said:
Well after reading Neil Druckmann's wikipedia page, I found an interesting quote from him:


I don't necessarily agree that in order to make a non-sexualized female character you just need to remove her breasts and be done with it. I imagine there are other, more sophisticated and better ways to it.
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.... right
 
Randam said:
But I (and some others) didn't want to.
And we got this weird situation were nothing happened and you couldn't do anything.
Quite the atmosphere killer.

For us it would have been better if there were a cut scene or the doctor attacked us and we had to execute a qte.
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Doesn't matter what you wanted though. It's not your story. It's Joel's. :P
 
scream said:
Well after reading Neil Druckmann's wikipedia page, I found an interesting quote from him:


I don't necessarily agree that in order to make a non-sexualized female character you just need to remove her breasts and be done with it. I imagine there are other, more sophisticated and better ways to it.
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Thank your lucky stars that's not what's happening here in that case.

We done here? Because it doesn't seem like you're interested in actually putting any effort into discussing this topic beyond questioning why Neil Druckmann didn't put some extravagant chest on Ellie.
 
Alienous said:
The point is that Joel would kill him, and you're helpless to stop that. He's a surgeon who was going to operate on Ellie and kill her in the process. And Joel isn't beyond putting a scapel in the neck of someone who's a threat to Ellie. This isn't the same Joel who pleads with people, like seen at the beginning of the game. He's a cruel dude. He kills people because they are better dead than to be an inconvenience.

The entire last segment of The Last of Us is an illustration of how Joel is far from a good dude.
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And the Fireflies are good? They were going to kill an innocent child without her consent.
 
Yeah, the Fireflies are not nice either. And Ellie is prob going to kill and slay a bunch of them in Part II, starting to feel bad for the people that got a Firefly logo tattoo lol

Not really cuz I never liked the Fireflies in the first place
 
For all Marlene's talk of how much she cares for Ellie, in the end she never gave her a choice after knowing the repercussions involved from the surgery. Suddenly Ellie is this "Gift, not to be wasted"? She's just an object to the Fireflies, and Marlene. Putting the possibility of a experimental vaccine, that may or may not work through reverse engineering, before Ellie, even after hearing the surgery procedure and its implications is no better than Joel's choice to protect Ellie through a lie. The Fireflies wanted to kill Ellie through a false premise of a definite cure, unaware herself she'll die, but with no choice herself either, which is worse imo. Joel just wanted Ellie safe like any father figure would, selfish, yes probably... But with the uncertainties of the other option of Ellie dying through surgery and the fact the Fireflies are no saints and their means is also selfish for their cause, if given the choice I would save her everytime regardless.
 
someday said:
I think ND has incorporated a lot of things to try to stop Ellie from becoming sexualized, even though some of you seem to be fighting it tooth and nail. These types of conversations gross me out and really make me second-guess my hobby.

Oh, and I killed everybody in the surgical suite every time I played through. No regrets, no hesitation.
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Its not even that they really even have to try to prevent her from being sexualized, Ellie looks like a, take a deep breath here Scream et al... a normal, average 19 year old girl! Wow! How low we have sunk in gaming when portraying people in their context realistically is seen as "strange" or out of the ordinary.
 
Good job on the thread derail and populating everyones ignore list with your "I totally don't care but I kinda do enough to make everyone look at me" thing.
 
Alienous said:
The point is that Joel would kill him, and you're helpless to stop that. He's a surgeon who was going to operate on Ellie and kill her in the process. And Joel isn't beyond putting a scapel in the neck of someone who's a threat to Ellie. This isn't the same Joel who pleads with people, like seen at the beginning of the game. He's a cruel dude. He kills people because they are better dead than to be an inconvenience.

The entire last segment of The Last of Us is an illustration of how Joel is far from a good dude.
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Now that's reading into the narrative incredibly to much.

Joel isn't cruel; he's a realistic survivorlist in a cruel world. He protects what he believe is important to him and Ellie represented everything
his daughter was to him.

There's not a human being that would not have done the same giving the facts (and lack there of) that Joel had to work with at the time.
 
Drencrom said:
Well, she grew up? I mean, she still looks very young and not very different to me, it's just that she looks pissed in most pictures now while in TLOU1 she looks pretty uneasy/dismayed most of the time. People grow up a lot between 14 and 19 both physically and emotionally.

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I'm personally not a fan of tattoos, but why is it so weird that Ellie would want one? It's pretty clear she got it to cover her infection scar too.
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the one problem I have is that I feel like Ellie has to win me (us?) all over again,

even though it's just 4 years apart it feels like they are introducing a new character.

What made Ellie special and the reason why Joel actually appreciated her is her strong but positive attitude in dark times.

I feel like they are going to just put some grumpy, thirsty-for-blood older woman because "she's gone through shit". Well that's a poor reason or excuse to portray her like that, to me at least.

Ellie went through some heavy stuff BEFORE the first game even had begun but she was always true to herself.

I see these pics and I want to give a hug to the girl in the right pic, tell her everything's gonna be fine. I see the girl to the left and I think "we'll see what this girl is all about", I am worried that their just going to throw away Ellie's essence for the sake of giving us "something new"

tl:dr, I miss Ellie already.
 
sphinx said:
the one problem I have is that I feel like Ellie has to win me (us?) all over again,

even though it's just 4 years apart it feels like they are introducing a new character.

What made Ellie special and the reason why Joel actually appreciated her is her strong but positive attitude in dark times.

I feel like they are going to just put some grumpy, thirsty-for-blood older woman because "she's gone through shit". Well that's a poor reason or excuse to portray her like that, to me at least.

Ellie went through some heavy stuff BEFORE the first game even had begun but she was always true to herself.

I see these pics and I want to give a hug to the girl in the right pic, tell her everything's gonna be fine. I see the girl to the left and I think "we'll see what this girl is all about", I am worried that their just going to throw away Ellie's essence for the sake of giving us "something new"

tl:dr, I miss Ellie already.
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Kids grow up. Part of life. And you're making way too many assumptions about what the game may or may not be about, we know almost nothing.
 
sphinx said:
the one problem I have is that I feel like Ellie has to win me (us?) all over again,

even though it's just 4 years apart it feels like they are introducing a new character.

What made Ellie special and the reason why Joel actually appreciated her is her strong but positive attitude in dark times.

I feel like they are going to just put some grumpy, thirsty-for-blood older woman because "she's gone through shit". Well that's a poor reason or excuse to portray her like that, to me at least.

Ellie went through some heavy stuff BEFORE the first game even had begun but she was always true to herself.

I see these pics and I want to give a hug to the girl in the right pic, tell her everything's gonna be fine. I see the girl to the left and I think "we'll see what this girl is all about", I am worried that their just going to throw away Ellie's essence for the sake of giving us "something new"

tl:dr, I miss Ellie already.
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???

Did you completely tune out after Fall happened? She's been reserved and in a dire mood ever since the ambush at the University happened. She's strong, but I don't even think she was a particularly "positive" person to begin with.
 
Ellie looks consistent with the post apocalypse. A woman grows fat from protein she's accumulated through her childhood. In the world ellie lives, supply isn't abundant so it's understandable if her boobs aren't developed but even without the set up, some women or people generally do not gain fat, I should know because my wife and her family are like that.
It's good to have Ellie be unique as opposed to looking like a generic game model that's made by junior artist
 
Tosyn_88 said:
Ellie looks consistent with the post apocalypse. A woman grows fat from protein she's accumulated through her childhood. In the world ellie lives, supply isn't abundant so it's understandable if her boobs aren't developed but even without the set up, some women or people generally do not gain fat, I should know because my wife and her family are like that.
It's good to have Ellie be unique as opposed to looking like a generic game model that's made by junior artist
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But what would her sweat taste like?
 
Heckler456 said:
Thank your lucky stars that's not what's happening here in that case.

We done here? Because it doesn't seem like you're interested in actually putting any effort into discussing this topic beyond questioning why Neil Druckmann didn't put some extravagant chest on Ellie.
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Pretty much the last thing that would have went through my mind when doing a character analysis of Ellie would be "Hey, she doesnt have big breasts."

Wait, scratch that, it never would have went through my mind because wtf?
 
sphinx said:
What made Ellie special and the reason why Joel actually appreciated her is her strong but positive attitude in dark times.

I feel like they are going to just put some grumpy, thirsty-for-blood older woman because "she's gone through shit". Well that's a poor reason or excuse to portray her like that, to me at least.
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I really doubt that they'll turn her into Joel 2.0. But Ellie will be different because she has to be different. It would make no sense for her to have the same outlook after over five years of living outside of a Quarantine Zone. Most of her life had been sheltered up to the events of Left Behind. She had no idea how the world really worked and then she got a crash course in it. You can't really expect her to still have a relatively naive view of the world and somehow survive in it. That doesn't mean that she's going to be angry and blood thirsty all the time, but she's going to be someone that's no longer surprised when she sees someone gunned down in the streets like she was in TLoU when those two people were shot because hunters thought that they had food or clothing.
 
Kaswa101 said:
Doesn't matter what you wanted though. It's not your story. It's Joel's. :P
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But they gave us control over Joel in that situation. And because we wanted something else, it fucked up the whole sequence.
Pretty bad game design by naughty dog.

I wouldn't have had a problem with him killing the doctors, I just didn't want to do it.
 
Randam said:
But they gave us control over Joel in that situation. And because we wanted something else, it fucked up the whole sequence.
Pretty bad game design by naughty dog.

I wouldn't have had a problem with him killing the doctors, I just didn't want to do it.
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Say what you will about Naughty Dog, but they're pretty deliberate about what they do or don't put into their games.

Maybe they found that an insignificant percentage of people in their playtests came away from that particular sequence with your experience?

Besides, when it does work, it either makes the player think about what they're really doing, and if they're really on board with what Joel is doing; or it makes the person think in hindsight that they maybe shouldn't have killed those two extra doctors. Should they really remove something that works this well like 70% of the time?
 
strafer said:
I see it like some kinda test to see how invested you were in the characters which is why this is near the end.

On my first playthrough I was angry and sad so I let nothing get in my way. I pulled out my 9mm and gave them one shot the head. That's how my Joel handled the situation.
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I had a very weird reaction to that part.

I just stood still and tried to leave the room, see if there was another way to approach the sutiation. until It slowly hit me, I have to kill one of the last surgeons in the world to get to her. I didnt even care about the cure, II just started thinking about how that medial crew must be some of the last medial specialists in the world, and I wanted to minimize my impact on saving ellie. Then I shot him and was happy I didnt need to shoot anyone else.

I heard all audios from that level, so I knew the cure was sketchy at best, so all I wantes was ellie.
 
Are the people complaining about the Doctor/Joel scene the dame that dont like Quantic Dream games? LOL

TLOU is not Heavy Rain or anything like that, there is one story and everything will happen in the very only way they planned. That's it.

Complaining that you have to do something in a game because "I didn't want" is crazy. Do you guys also play GTA and quit playing because you don't want to kill someone at some point? "ohhh but I didn't want that" tsc tsc
 
sphinx said:
the one problem I have is that I feel like Ellie has to win me (us?) all over again,

even though it's just 4 years apart it feels like they are introducing a new character.

What made Ellie special and the reason why Joel actually appreciated her is her strong but positive attitude in dark times.

I feel like they are going to just put some grumpy, thirsty-for-blood older woman because "she's gone through shit". Well that's a poor reason or excuse to portray her like that, to me at least.

Ellie went through some heavy stuff BEFORE the first game even had begun but she was always true to herself.

I see these pics and I want to give a hug to the girl in the right pic, tell her everything's gonna be fine. I see the girl to the left and I think "we'll see what this girl is all about", I am worried that their just going to throw away Ellie's essence for the sake of giving us "something new"

tl:dr, I miss Ellie already.
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The Ellie you're describing had already vanished after the events with David, and the fact that her entire journey to get to the fireflies turned out to be for nothing. It's weird you didn't see that.

It makes complete sense to me that Ellie would be a much darker character in the sequel.
 
Randam said:
No.
Just made it so, something would have happened after some time.
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They probably expected that those that didn't want to shoot would walk up to the doctor to try to push him out the way. And if you do walk up to him then Joel will grab a scalpel and stab him int he throat.
 
sphinx said:
the one problem I have is that I feel like Ellie has to win me (us?) all over again,

even though it's just 4 years apart it feels like they are introducing a new character.

What made Ellie special and the reason why Joel actually appreciated her is her strong but positive attitude in dark times.

I feel like they are going to just put some grumpy, thirsty-for-blood older woman because "she's gone through shit". Well that's a poor reason or excuse to portray her like that, to me at least.

Ellie went through some heavy stuff BEFORE the first game even had begun but she was always true to herself.

I see these pics and I want to give a hug to the girl in the right pic, tell her everything's gonna be fine. I see the girl to the left and I think "we'll see what this girl is all about", I am worried that their just going to throw away Ellie's essence for the sake of giving us "something new"

tl:dr, I miss Ellie already.
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You sound like the parent of a teen-ager. So I would say ND did a pretty good job.
 
ty_hot said:
Are the people complaining about the Doctor/Joel scene the dame that dont like Quantic Dream games? LOL

TLOU is not Heavy Rain or anything like that, there is one story and everything will happen in the very only way they planned. That's it.

Complaining that you have to do something in a game because "I didn't want" is crazy. Do you guys also play GTA and quit playing because you don't want to kill someone at some point? "ohhh but I didn't want that" tsc tsc
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Yeah I feel the same way. The logic makes no sense.
 
SolidSnakex said:
They probably expected that those that didn't want to shoot would walk up to the doctor to try to push him out the way. And if you do walk up to him then Joel will grab a scalpel and stab him int he throat.
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Only if you press a button. I walked up to him expecting him to just get scared and get out of my way, but the videogame needed my button press to continue working.

It was the most atmosphere breaking moment in the game, to me.

"Oh, right, it's a videogame. Let me do what it wants me to do".

I have zero issues with Joel killing the doctor, but "it's Joel's story, not yours" isn't a very good argument when that scene working depends 100% on the player having the same idea as Joel.
 
Xe4 said:
Nah. Don't fuck with Ellie, you won't get fucked with. Shot all three of 'em first time, I was in such a rage I didn't even know I didn't have to. Fuck 'em, they tried to scoop out a teenagers brain.
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Yea. Same for me. I was on the exact same emotional level as Joel at that point and I killed them all. I hesitated at the nurse who begs for her life, but killed her too. That entire last bit was sooo good. It brought out the feels.
 
Gbraga said:
Only if you press a button. I walked up to him expecting him to just get scared and get out of my way, but the videogame needed my button press to continue working.

It was the most atmosphere breaking moment in the game, to me.

"Oh, right, it's a videogame. Let me do what it wants me to do".

I have zero issues with Joel killing the doctor, but "it's Joel's story, not yours" isn't a very good argument when that scene working depends 100% on the player having the same idea as Joel.
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Sadly this..
 
Gbraga said:
Only if you press a button. I walked up to him expecting him to just get scared and get out of my way, but the videogame needed my button press to continue working.

It was the most atmosphere breaking moment in the game, to me.

"Oh, right, it's a videogame. Let me do what it wants me to do".

I have zero issues with Joel killing the doctor, but "it's Joel's story, not yours" isn't a very good argument when that scene working depends 100% on the player having the same idea as Joel.
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It's funny, that same moment hit me real hard. I thought I was watching a cutscene, then after a moment I realised I was in a control, and I also realised what I had to do in order to proceed. It was like watching a good friend spiral out of control. All you can do is sit back and watch it unfold, helpless.
 
I only killed the doctor because the other people weren't really with firefly and as far as I know (they were just under orders from them) and there's no way to avoid killing the doctor.
 
Gbraga said:
Only if you press a button. I walked up to him expecting him to just get scared and get out of my way, but the videogame needed my button press to continue working.

It was the most atmosphere breaking moment in the game, to me.

"Oh, right, it's a videogame. Let me do what it wants me to do".

I have zero issues with Joel killing the doctor, but "it's Joel's story, not yours" isn't a very good argument when that scene working depends 100% on the player having the same idea as Joel.
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For some, it works. For some, it doesn't. I killed the doc as soon as I saw him. Went to Ellie an ran away. It was perfect.
Memento said:
I dont know if it was already posted, but I just found out this video about the "Theseus theory":

https://youtu.be/hAK8nfeBY2s

And it just makes so much sense I cant think about anything other than the scenario described on it for the sequel.
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Already posted.
 
Gbraga said:
Only if you press a button. I walked up to him expecting him to just get scared and get out of my way, but the videogame needed my button press to continue working.

It was the most atmosphere breaking moment in the game, to me.

"Oh, right, it's a videogame. Let me do what it wants me to do".

I have zero issues with Joel killing the doctor, but "it's Joel's story, not yours" isn't a very good argument when that scene working depends 100% on the player having the same idea as Joel.
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Did you feel the same way about MGS3's ending? If I remember correctly it eventually does pull the trigger automatically, but it takes a while. In fact it takes so long it does the same atmosphere breaking thing you were talking about.
 
Radical Edward said:
We should hop on survivors soon. I think you will love it for the same reasons you like LTS.
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I actually tried some TLOU today and I really disliked it. I played it quite a bit way back but the tickrate, the connection quality, the host advantage, it just seemed so awfully primitive in 2016.

The game is mechanically sound, but I just can't stand it being so messed up behind the scenes. LTS is a lot better, in that regard. Titanfalls netcode is great, baring a few hickups here and there.
 
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