Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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Just saw the movie for the second time. As a creative type, I noticed some story decisions that could have punched up the interactions of the characters a little better. At the same time, I noticed moments I felt were lacking in the initial viewing, so it held up a little more. I hold by my 8/10 score, there are some great, fantastical moments in there, but the characters don't get to breathe as much as they should have.
The third act is still awesome.
The third act is still awesome.
Bobby Roberts
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I get it, but I also think it's worth noticing the folks in turbans blowing up armed convoys are protecting a holy city from armed opression by a fascist dictatorship there solely to pillage their city for valuable resources.
The armed convoys belonged to people who eventually obliterated the entire city as a weapons test.
So while the optics of it might have been kinda questionable on the surface, it continues the long tradition of Star Wars subtly suggesting that maybe American interventionism isn't the greatest policy, and that while the Empire is modeled on the Nazis, it's ALSO modeled on the American right wing.
UnemployedVillain
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The One and Done;227072035 said:Tell that to Kanjaclub
Uhhhh
Bodhi needed to get the master switch working to contact the fleet, to let them know that taking out the shield gate could open up the airwaves for the larger Death Star plan transmission. The fleet showed up because of the previous council meeting saying no, but rebels having a fighting chance on Scarif made them decide to go and fight anyway.
kopitarrulez_11
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She's still something to look at though
Yeah but weren't they already doing that? I feel like I remember the pilots talking about how they had to take out the shield once it closed. It's not like they showed up and just shot at TIES without an objective. Now Bodhi may not know what they're up to but it just seems sloppy from a script perspective to have his focus be "tell the fleet to do what they're already doing."
Bobby Roberts
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It's weird how Krennic's engines almost blow Jyn off the platform but none of the prone bodies (including her father's) go flying either.
Granted, it'd be sort of gruesome to have like 3 or 4 corpses go ragdolling over the edge in the same shot. But it did jump out at me as being a little incongruous.
I dont' even know what the fuck that had to do with anything, either.
"Hey guyz, boobies."
Pretty cool, guy.
Granted, it'd be sort of gruesome to have like 3 or 4 corpses go ragdolling over the edge in the same shot. But it did jump out at me as being a little incongruous.
I dont' even know what the fuck that had to do with anything, either.
"Hey guyz, boobies."
Pretty cool, guy.
From what I'm remembering, I can definitely be wrong, the way it was framed was that the Rebel fleet showed up solely because they heard that there were Rebels fighting on Scarif. From there it became about crossing through the shield gate to provide support, but then it got closed once several passed through. From there it was fighting the Star Destroyers until they got word about the shield gate needing to be taken out, and so taking out the shield gate with the Hammerhead class ship became the idea from the Mon Calamari.
PandaShake
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Wow. Just saw it. To me, they succeeded in making a Star Wars movie with a more serious undertone. The ground fighting looked violent. The first fight scene on Jeddha when a party ambushed the stormtroopers, the crying child in the midst of the battlefield was a little on the nose, but Cassian shooting one of the ambushers sold me on his character and his mustache became more fitting from that point as a rogue that does things that needs to be done. K2SO was great. The monk was great. Great use of Donnie Yen with the choreography given to him. While sad, it was very fitting each character perished. Fits well with the gravity of the tone they set and how they're not around for Ep 4. Loved it.
Orochinagis
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Guerrera can barely talk either , dude was done for
Donnie Yen only getting 1.5 action scenes was the thing that stood out to me during the second viewing. He got the Jedha scene and two stormtrooper takedowns on Scarif. He is worthy of more!
Just saw it.
Characters were flat and lacked development. The robot and two former temple guards were the most interesting characters and the only ones whose deaths made any impact.
CG characters were overused I felt, as they stood out like sore thumbs. The movie should have been even more sparing in their use. Don't give clear face shots if they are clearly not real next to actual people. My wife didn't realize Tarkin was CG though so I guess there's that.
Krennic seemed useless for anything other than just being the lead bad guy on the scene, preserving the time Tarkin and Vader were around to make their presences more notable. I don't think Krennic ever accomplished anything, after the initial abduction anyway.
Conveniences, some confusing behavior, along with all the above made me think it just OK. The last act with the assault/space battle was clearly the highlight, but mainly because it had flash and action in a movie that was otherwise largely flat.
Characters were flat and lacked development. The robot and two former temple guards were the most interesting characters and the only ones whose deaths made any impact.
CG characters were overused I felt, as they stood out like sore thumbs. The movie should have been even more sparing in their use. Don't give clear face shots if they are clearly not real next to actual people. My wife didn't realize Tarkin was CG though so I guess there's that.
Krennic seemed useless for anything other than just being the lead bad guy on the scene, preserving the time Tarkin and Vader were around to make their presences more notable. I don't think Krennic ever accomplished anything, after the initial abduction anyway.
Conveniences, some confusing behavior, along with all the above made me think it just OK. The last act with the assault/space battle was clearly the highlight, but mainly because it had flash and action in a movie that was otherwise largely flat.
Great spectacle, but all I could think was if the hammerhead could do all that, why not ram the shield ring straight up?
Because the engines were out. They're in space, and there's no gravity, so the idea is that any force exerted on the ship that isn't applying force by a ship that is applying constant force, despite the size discrepancy, would begin to move. I would guess that a Hammerhead ship is known for and/or used for ramming things? I'm sure there's a Wookiepedia entry on that or something.
Jeffolation
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When The Master Switch on the ost kicks in, God Damn that's good. Some of the music dowesn't always works for me but this track was such a highlight during the 3rd act.
right. im saying if the hammerhead had the energy to push two star destroyers into the shield ring to destroy it, it also has the energy to just ram through the shield generator in the first place. dont need inertia, just ram the shield straight up.
it's a minor quibble that doesn't detract from the movie. It just stuck out to me.
Orochinagis
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I never got the answer how or where the shield generator got its power.
Gravity? Oh you mean go directly to the station, I dont think the poor ship will make it pass trought the AA cannons
Gravity? Oh you mean go directly to the station, I dont think the poor ship will make it pass trought the AA cannons
Leatherface
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Just finally had a chance to see it. I absolutely LOOOOOOOOVED this movie. THE BEST star wars since Empire. Fucking awesome story. Perfect Aesthetic. Great characters too. It's almost a shame they are all gone. Beautiful movie. So happy.
RobbieNick
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The rebellion wanted him dead, the empire wanted him dead, he was barely keeping himself alive. He obviously decided that, that moment was the best time to just let it go.
Highlight of the movie for me too. He took down about a dozen guys firing at him at once, point blank, in a narrow hallway. That guy banging on the door, screaming "help us!" with the massacre behind him was chilling. It's brief but perfect, and I think it proves the naysayers wrong who misconstrued advancements in special effects and fight choreography as proof that Vader couldn't hang with the Force users in the PT. That was easily more impressive than Kylo's fighting abilities.
I did incorrectly anticipate Vader taking down Chirrut, perhaps semi-mirroring his "you are not a Jedi yet" line from ESB by saying something like:"The Force guides you, but you are no Jedi" before cutting him down.
This is really more about TFA, but I'm so glad that the new SW films are done with that awful lightsaber dance choreography.
Trigonometrize.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that was thinking this would happen. I thought that was the obvious fate of a wanna-be jedi to get schooled by Vader, but it was not to be, and probably for the better.
theCalamity
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I feel the same way. Those three characters were more interesting than the main two. Even then, they didn't feel like a group. Jyn mostly interacted with Cassian. Chirrut mostlyhung out with Baze, but we rarely see the two groups talk with each other outside of giving orders.
I saw it yesterday and my overriding feeling was one of being underwhelmed.
I feel that the movie had a few good moments - Vader's initial 'reveal' and his final scene, the explosion and its aftermath killing the two main characters and the death of the robot - but otherwise it was quite dull. It's a bad sign when I'm thinking of what the time is when we're not even halfway into a movie ...
I felt to same way towards The Force Awakens to a degree, and I'm not sure if I just dislike movies that have a good portion of time focused on big pew-pew sequences or if the movie just wasn't very good.
I feel that the movie had a few good moments - Vader's initial 'reveal' and his final scene, the explosion and its aftermath killing the two main characters and the death of the robot - but otherwise it was quite dull. It's a bad sign when I'm thinking of what the time is when we're not even halfway into a movie ...
I felt to same way towards The Force Awakens to a degree, and I'm not sure if I just dislike movies that have a good portion of time focused on big pew-pew sequences or if the movie just wasn't very good.
It was a good 7/10 for me. I think it relied way too much on knowledge of ANH and the first half was messy (production problems were obvious) but the second half was great.
I liked how they did a fakeout at the beginning with the crawl, but the lack of exposition made the movie a bit confusing for non-SW fans. We all know that it's Empire vs Rebels but characters like Tarkin needed a much better introduction than they got. Some people haven't seen ANH for 30+ years.
The human CGI was impressive, I think a big part of finding it jarring is when you know the actor is dead/older than they appear on screen, 2 of the 4 people I saw the movie with didn't realise Tarkin was CGI because they had no idea who Peter Cushing was. Aside from the lip movements the faces were very convincing and didn't have that dead-eyed look, Tarkin gave some impressively animated death stares.
I liked how they did a fakeout at the beginning with the crawl, but the lack of exposition made the movie a bit confusing for non-SW fans. We all know that it's Empire vs Rebels but characters like Tarkin needed a much better introduction than they got. Some people haven't seen ANH for 30+ years.
The human CGI was impressive, I think a big part of finding it jarring is when you know the actor is dead/older than they appear on screen, 2 of the 4 people I saw the movie with didn't realise Tarkin was CGI because they had no idea who Peter Cushing was. Aside from the lip movements the faces were very convincing and didn't have that dead-eyed look, Tarkin gave some impressively animated death stares.
UnemployedVillain
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What's wrong with that? It's a direct prequel to it. It's no different from sequels relying on the view being knowledgeable of their predecessors
I ... I just noticed that in (presumably) a deleted scene .. it's not just Jyn and Cassian on the beach with the Death-Star plans ... K2-SO is there too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXEMO_Zv_gQ
Pause on 1:27. You'll see a guy in the background in a mo-cap suit while also showing K2's head on a stick for reference.
Now, take into consideration that Edwars "wanted" to have the main cast surive .. I'm beginning to get the feeling they initially survived but Disney/Lucasfilm wanted them to die to have a bigger impact.
Also, 1:59 ... Jyn with "Bald" Gerera. So they did have some sort of interaction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXEMO_Zv_gQ
Pause on 1:27. You'll see a guy in the background in a mo-cap suit while also showing K2's head on a stick for reference.
Now, take into consideration that Edwars "wanted" to have the main cast surive .. I'm beginning to get the feeling they initially survived but Disney/Lucasfilm wanted them to die to have a bigger impact.
Also, 1:59 ... Jyn with "Bald" Gerera. So they did have some sort of interaction.
Lifejumper
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Its curious. I thought the reshoots were mainly to boost character development and interactions but its seems the final edit leaned more on the action than the characters. I wonder which scenes Tony Gilroy wrote. These are just assumptions though, we will never know the truth I think.
Edwards (and first draft writer Gary Whitta) didn't want the characters to survive, but their first crack at the story had them surviving because they didn't think Lucasfilm would let them get away with it. They ended up all saying "They've gotta die, right?" and giving them full support for that. That was the earliest version of the story, so I don't think that even got to the point they were filming it.
Just finally had a chance to see it. I absolutely LOOOOOOOOVED this movie. THE BEST star wars since Empire. Fucking awesome story. Perfect Aesthetic. Great characters too. It's almost a shame they are all gone. Beautiful movie. So happy.
This, absolutely loved it. Really different beats from the Saga movies, had its own identity while still being recognisably SW. Loved the Easter Eggs too - from Walrus face & his bad tempered buddy in the market, through to the Bespin callback in the Tower and one of the shots of the X-Wings attacking the shield generator lifted from ANH...
Vader's badasserey at the end was phenomenal & as with others my wife only picked up that Tarkin was CGI because she remembered Cushing is dead.
Yeah, what we got is infinitely better than that. Makes Chirrut much more than a not-jedi.
Because of bad writing?
I mean... is there even a difference now.
There's nothing wrong with it if you are making a fanservice movie, it just made the film hard to follow for non-fans. My dad didn't really understand the first half, a bit more exposition about the history between Galen/Krennic/Tarkin and the state of the conflict between the Rebellion/Empire, would have made a big difference.
Losing the opening crawl meant that you had to infer the backstory for yourself rather than being given an overview at the start.
Relying on ANH and being for the fans is what made this movie great. Besides, everyone seeing these movies by now are fans
TheOfficeMut
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I thought the same thing. I explained it away with half-assed reasoning: she was standing up so she was more prone to being blown back.
I received an AA in physics from NeoGAF Community College.
UnemployedVillain
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Why would you think there was ever a torture interrogation scene in the first place? The mind reading monster fits right in with Star Wars. The Empire are the only ones that use the torture chair
Albino_Yeti
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Does anyone know what happened to Admiral Raddus and his crew? I know they were stuck at Scarif with Vader, but their ship was only disabled, not destroyed. Maybe there's hope that Raddus survived ;_;
Lifejumper
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How do you think Ackbar got promoted to admiral?
The issue is, why point did that scene even serve? It had no point other than show creepy alien. Bodhi didn't go crazy in any discernable way other than quietly muttering to himself for 3 seconds and Guerrera didn't still didn't seem to understand anything that was going on until Jyn showed up. It would make sense if it was a resort or something, because it was a completely pointless scene that served no narrative or expository purpose
Vader sat down and enjoyed seafood with the crew.
CloudyTuba
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You know, I didn't really put it together that Raddus' ship was the one that got disabled.
...so that's the reason he doesn't show up later chronologically.
It's not looking good, dude.
The point was to highlight the questionable moral grounding of Saw Gerrera's insurrection.
SuperStiltzkin
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Why is that bad writing? Han doesn't believe in the force so it's bad writing?
I think it was to show that morally grey area that rebels or at least's Saw factions and to show that alliance isn't squickly cleaan. Like i'm not a good critic in anyway and shit at expression my opinions at times but it seems like it something that makes sense thematically and world building wise or whatever the word is to show the rebel's desperation. Though probably due to cuts int terms of actual story or at least surface level the whole thing was pointless especially since the Bodhi seems to recover over it like it was nothing and wasn't affected in anyway.
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