Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag

Okay. Found my pro Hdmi cord and hdr works through the TV. Uncharted 4 looks godlike. Still nothing through the sound receiver so I'm assuming I need a new receiver for hdr.
 
bosseye said:
Yeah, worse blacks/contrast on an ips panel I understand. I've got the 49 inch (so ips) as a replacement for my old 43 inch Sony (which was a VA panel) and I've not noticed any obvious difference though.

Really pleased with the set in general. I paid £580 ish and for that price it's been better than expected. In game mode, once you get used to what looks initially like more washed out colours (tweaking some settings and then switching back to the settings I had it on makes me realise just how oversaturated and contrasty I had everything set to) it looks stunning. HDR content like Witness and Uncharted 4 looks unbelievable, 4k stuff looks phenomenal, upscaling is generally very good, everything has very natural colours and the contrasts etc have been fine for me.

In a really dark room blacks are obviously not the greatest, dirty screen effect is quite obvious in stuff like Witness when looking at solid colours like the sky and there is a tiny bit of light bleed in the bottom right corner - but for everyday use its absolutely acceptable, I don't notice any of this stuff.

People need to keep in mind the value of this TV, it's not going to be perfect. People also need to remember that in the real world they'll be hard pushed to see the difference in much of the technical stuff between panels.
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One thing people should also note before arguing is how hdr games look on more expensive sets.
There is no omg hdr wow effect in games period. Stop comparing things to promotional videos.
To make games that good youll have to put a shit ton of work in it, devs will only be ticking boxes until this tech becomes more popular. Even 4k displays arent mainstream yet. Hdr is a very small subset of those tvs
 
MetalliCabombination said:
As someone who owns both x800d and ks 8000 youre definitely exaggerating.
This tv lacks local dimming hence the greys. Thats that.
Washed out colors aren't caused by poor hdr its caused by poor settings. And yes even the weak blacks issue is eliminated to an extent with the settings.
Long story short. Want the best hdr? Get those lg oleds.mind you even those will be outdated color range wise in 2 years tops. Want something in reasonable gaming budget. Get this.
Ive played nearly every hdr game on ps4 and pro so far and the only game in which ill pick the 8000 over this re7. 8000 is still the better tv but the whole black thing is only a noticeable issue in re. Stuff like ffxv and ratchet look damn near identical
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It's all subjective whether one person thinks greys for blacks is acceptable or not. I was surprised and disappointed, as it's not so grey in SDR.
It's a good all rounder TV for the cash - I've said that before but if your reason for purchase is HDR performance then people should be aware it's not great. I actually think HDR is a bit of an industry scam - it's easy to make a TV accept an HDR signal but not so easy to display one correctly. The Ultra HD Premium tag tries to address this problem but it's not widely accepted.
I can imagine RE7 being a problem, but it looks stunning in true HDR. FFXV and R&C looked OK because they're generally brighter games - driving around in FFXV at night though.....
 
justino said:
It's all subjective whether one person thinks greys for blacks is acceptable or not. I was surprised and disappointed, as it's not so grey in SDR.
It's a good all rounder TV for the cash - I've said that before but if your reason for purchase is HDR performance then people should be aware it's not great. I actually think HDR is a bit of an industry scam - it's easy to make a TV accept an HDR signal but not so easy to display one correctly. The Ultra HD Premium tag tries to address this problem but it's not widely accepted.
I can imagine RE7 being a problem, but it looks stunning in true HDR. FFXV and R&C looked OK because they're generally brighter games - driving around in FFXV at night though.....
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This tv isnt doing fake hdr, it still has the panel to display those colors, unlike say ku6300 that has hdr in but simply lacls the colors to output it.peak bright ess is used for highlights and local dimming is used to keep blacks dark, which is where this tv falters . And i wouldnt call re7 stunning by any measure even on the ks8000. Hdr adds some color depth and brightens up the light sources. Hdr implementation in ffxv is way more noticeable and yes thats because its a brighter game, shouldnt that work to its credit?
One thing people should really address is that the default black levels of the tv are far too high.for me something around 30 to 35 works way better
 
MetalliCabombination said:
This tv isnt doing fake hdr, it still has the panel to display those colors, unlike say ku6300 that has hdr in but simply lacls the colors to output it.peak bright ess is used for highlights and local dimming is used to keep blacks dark, which is where this tv falters . And i wouldnt call re7 stunning by any measure even on the ks8000. Hdr adds some color depth and brightens up the light sources. Hdr implementation in ffxv is way more noticeable and yes thats because its a brighter game, shouldnt that work to its credit?
One thing people should really address is that the default black levels of the tv are far too high.for me something around 30 to 35 works way better
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I think we are generally in agreement here - black levels on this TV are poor and with HDR they are ramped way up and for dark scene games it looks poor. It's not fake HDR, but it's not Ultra HD Premium HDR by a very long way.
RE7 on LG E6 HDR *is* stunning ;)
 
justino said:
I think we are generally in agreement here - black levels on this TV are poor and with HDR they are ramped way up and for dark scene games it looks poor. It's not fake HDR, but it's not Ultra HD Premium HDR by a very long way.
RE7 on LG E6 HDR *is* stunning ;)
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I dont even think re7 is even intended to be stunning
 
I know the peak brightness of this set is nothing like the higher end panels, but it's still pretty bright. Some scenes in Witness are bright enough to make me squint.

Just temper your expectations. It's a £600 ish TV, performance for the money is good.
 
justino said:
I think we are generally in agreement here - black levels on this TV are poor and with HDR they are ramped way up and for dark scene games it looks poor. It's not fake HDR, but it's not Ultra HD Premium HDR by a very long way.
RE7 on LG E6 HDR *is* stunning ;)
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Black levels on this TV are not poor. They are typical for this technology. Can't expect OLED black or Blacks with local dimming.

In SDR the backlight should be 1 or min to make sure you get those good blacks, BTW.

Like I have said previously, you can adjust the backlight to a point where the black levels are satisfactory with HDR content.

EvB said:
Except there has been not one single confirmation that games are outputting 10bit color
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To be clear,

The signal itself is sent as BT2020, which is specified as either 10 or 12-bit. If any game has actually implemented a WCG is not clear, however.

If I had to guess: they are sending colors bound by Rec709 primaries mapped into BT2020. This provides a standard 2-D color map. The color volume (read brightness) is allowed to extend past the limits of 100 nits thereby still providing additional color volume. This is clear in very bright scenes where there is now color that would not be present in SDR content.

bosseye said:
I know the peak brightness of this set is nothing like the higher end panels, but it's still pretty bright. Some scenes in Witness are bright enough to make me squint.

Just temper your expectations. It's a £600 ish TV, performance for the money is good.
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Same
 
Is there any way of actually knowing whether you're getting HDR without assuming? Only played Nioh since getting the TV, and not sure if that even supports it. In the PS4 video output settings it says 'HDR - 2K/4K supported', does that mean that everything is fine?

Anyone got any tips for getting Steam working properly? Had to switch to Big Picture Mode since the scaling is a mess. If I turn DPI off it makes the UI miniscule, and if I leave it on it looks pixelated
 
The_Hitcher89 said:
Is there any way of actually knowing whether you're getting HDR without assuming? Only played Nioh since getting the TV, and not sure if that even supports it. In the PS4 video output settings it says 'HDR - 2K/4K supported', does that mean that everything is fine?

Anyone got any tips for getting Steam working properly? Had to switch to Big Picture Mode since the scaling is a mess. If I turn DPI off it makes the UI miniscule, and if I leave it on it looks pixelated
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If you go to the Picture Adjustments menu it should say HDR in the upper right corner once it's active.

Like so (not my pic)
KccFxRt.jpg
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I own a 55 inch X850D, and while it's a good TV, I think it will have a pretty short life in my living room. The core functionality is good, but the poor black levels are really starting to bother me. Watching a dark movie while all the lights are off really show how it's all just really dark grey (and I've calibrated the fuck out of this thing). This is especially noticeable in HDR, where the brightness is cranked.

I'm not super disappointed, as I know what I was getting with my budget, but I think in a couple years once OLED drop to more reasonable prices this thing will be sold.
 
The_Hitcher89 said:
Is there any way of actually knowing whether you're getting HDR without assuming? Only played Nioh since getting the TV, and not sure if that even supports it. In the PS4 video output settings it says 'HDR - 2K/4K supported', does that mean that everything is fine?

Anyone got any tips for getting Steam working properly? Had to switch to Big Picture Mode since the scaling is a mess. If I turn DPI off it makes the UI miniscule, and if I leave it on it looks pixelated
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Re HDR, what Clown said. PS4 settings seem fine.

And unfortunately, that's Steam client DPI scaling for you. We can only hope Valve deems it necessary to update the client in the near term future. Now that I think about it, there were some pics of an overhauled client that slipped into some update recently, no? So perhaps it might happen sooner than Valve Time
 
killroy87 said:
I own a 55 inch X850D, and while it's a good TV, I think it will have a pretty short life in my living room. The core functionality is good, but the poor black levels are really starting to bother me. Watching a dark movie while all the lights are off really show how it's all just really dark grey (and I've calibrated the fuck out of this thing). This is especially noticeable in HDR, where the brightness is cranked.

I'm not super disappointed, as I know what I was getting with my budget, but I think in a couple years once OLED drop to more reasonable prices this thing will be sold.
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The backlight (brightness) is there only to combat the effect of ambient light. If your blacks loom grey, turn down the backlight. Its really easy to do.

Watching at night in a dark room requires a different backlight setting than watching under lots of ambient light.

The blacks do not have to be grey folks.
 
Anyone having the issue of late where when you turn on the tv the morning after the night before.... it's not displaying the channel you last watched?
 
So that dirty effect, should I be somewhat panicked? Maybe I just need to tweak settings more but eh. It's mostly seen with solid colors or bright area's. It's kind of annoying. Everything else though has been fantastic. From FFXV in HDR to RE7. So so good.


Edit: I think I'm going to return for another TV. Maybe I just got a bad TV.
 
Can anyone tell me if this TV

Is the same as this TV

The second one (the Amazon link) is the one I think the OP is about, but I have no idea if the TV in the top link is the same model only a diff colour (which is what I'm lead the believe the numbers on the end mean)

The way they name TV's is so stupid
 
KAL2006 said:
Brightness Max
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black Level 50
Black Adjust Off
Advanced Contrast Enhancer Off

Colour 50
Hue 0
Colour Temp Expert 1
Live Colour Off

Sharpness 50
Reality Creation Off
Motion Flow Off

HDR Mode Auto
HDMI Video Rand Auto
Colour Space Auto

Game Mode

Use these settings for HDR and SDR modes


These are my settings
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those settings are correct for hdr.

but backlight should not be max using sdr

turn backlight down to 5 or 10, and when you play a hdr game the tv will automatically put brightness to max, and lower it again when you stop playing the hdr game.
 
cultureculture said:
Came into this thread to report the exact same thing. Here's my set-up:
- 49XD80
- PS4 Pro connected to HDMI 2
- Sony HT-XT3 receiver on HDMI 3/ARC

It's a relatively uncommon issue and only seems to happy a couple of times per day under quite heavy use, so I'm not sure if there's anything in particular that I'm doing that might cause this. The remotes for the TV and the receiver are on a table in front of me usually, so it's not that I'm sitting on them or something. I usually get it when I'm playing Final Fantasy XIV, which doesn't have 4K/HDR support.

I do have a couple of other devices connected, but they're usually turned off completely (i.e. not on standby) - a Mac Mini connected by HDMI that usually gets used as a server now and another PS4.

It didn't occur to me to try replacing the HDMI cable, so I guess I'll switch the cables around and see if that helps. (BTW, I saw this but I'm pretty sure I am using the cable that came with the Pro.)
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Yep same here too, but not only happening with PS4 so I don't presume it's the Pro causing it.

oni-link said:
Can anyone tell me if this TV

Is the same as this TV

The second one (the Amazon link) is the one I think the OP is about, but I have no idea if the TV in the top link is the same model only a diff colour (which is what I'm lead the believe the numbers on the end mean)

The way they name TV's is so stupid
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No, the John Lewis is the XD70 series which is just an 8bit panel http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ec7b632 the Amazon is the 10bit panel XD80

This is the John Lewis link for them, same price as Amazon, but obviously better returns/customer service. http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravi...lour=Silver&navAction=jump&_requestid=6750429
 
AbandonedTrolley said:
No, the John Lewis is the XD70 series which is just an 8bit panel http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ec7b632 the Amazon is the 10bit panel XD80

This is the John Lewis link for them, same price as Amazon, but obviously better returns/customer service. http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravi...lour=Silver&navAction=jump&_requestid=6750429
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Ah I see, thanks. I just thought the numbers at the end only indicated the colour

So the first link TV is not that great?

I hate how they name TV's, it's so confusing

I guess I'll wait on the other one to drop to around £600 then :/
 
oni-link said:
Ah I see, thanks. I just thought the numbers at the end only indicated the colour

So the first link TV is not that great?

I hate how they name TV's, it's so confusing

I guess I'll wait on the other one to drop to around £600 then :/
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The first one won't display true HDR due to the panel no, probably better holding out for a 10bit panel if you can

Last two digits are the colour, it seems to be screensize (first 2) model (next 4) colour (last two) something with lettering for colours too!
 
AbandonedTrolley said:
The first one won't display true HDR due to the panel no, probably better holding out for a 10bit panel if you can

Last two digits are the colour, it seems to be screensize (first 2) model (next 4) colour (last two) something with lettering for colours too!
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Yeah the £699 one has codes that end in 7077 and 8088 I think, and as far as I can tell that means one is silver and one is black

I'd be fine with either but wanted to pay around £600

Annoyingly they were £629 for ages but I kept waiting for another drop

Oh well
 
Does anyone's monitors constantly go dark when you have this TV connected to your PC, but it is powered off? Turning on the TV fixes it so I'm wondering what the issue is.
 
Karspankey said:
Does anyone's monitors constantly go dark when you have this TV connected to your PC, but it is powered off? Turning on the TV fixes it so I'm wondering what the issue is.
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Yes, if you mean like a black flicker every 30secs or so. I guess it's just some sort of deep sleep symptome. Don't think the TV is really off at any point if it's plugged into the wall.
 
Does the Netflix app on X800D supports saving films/TV episodes into local storage [offline viewing function], and can that storage be extended with USB sticks? I don't have large bandwidth for comfortable viewing of 4K HDR content.

Alternativley, can PS4 Pro Netflix app do the same [and can it reproduce HDR content]?
 
DieH@rd said:
Does the Netflix app on X800D supports saving films/TV episodes into local storage [offline viewing function], and can that storage be extended with USB sticks? I don't have large bandwidth for comfortable viewing of 4K HDR content.

Alternativley, can PS4 Pro Netflix app do the same [and can it reproduce HDR content]?
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I think this feature is exclusive to the mobile Netflix app (i.e. on iPad and iPhone). It's not present in the AndroidTV version at the very least.
 
So... I got the 49 inch model of this, hooked it up to the ps4 pro, followed the instructions in the op and when I got to video output information it says

resolution - 3840 x 2160 - 60hz
color format - YUV420
HDR on your TV - not supported
HDCP 1.4

So obviously I know very little about tv's, have used monitors for years - think the last tv I owned was about 10 years ago - but did I fail to do some research here? wrong.. serial number or something? Or is there something screwed up in settings?

Anyone taking the time to respond, thanks in advance.
 
Went to Frys and checked out other 4K HDR sets, and looking at the prices compared to the picture quality, I'm hella glad I went with this cheaper and still very high value option.

The other ones just don't look nearly enough better to spend another $1000 or $2000 for a larger and higher spec set.

The only time I'm going to be upgrading now is when the Sony A1E comes. I will splurge for that for a large one likely (price permitting of course) and put this TV in my bedroom. OLED is just that good, my Vita has better contrast ratio than all my other displays.

If I can clear a 70+ inch for less than $2000 or $2500 of the A1E I will likely bite.
sineclamor said:
So... I got the 49 inch model of this, hooked it up to the ps4 pro, followed the instructions in the op and when I got to video output information it says

resolution - 3840 x 2160 - 60hz
color format - YUV420
HDR on your TV - not supported
HDCP 1.4

So obviously I know very little about tv's, have used monitors for years - think the last tv I owned was about 10 years ago - but did I fail to do some research here? wrong.. serial number or something? Or is there something screwed up in settings?

Anyone taking the time to respond, thanks in advance.
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You may have to connect the PS4 to a particular input and also enable a setting to have HDR actually running on the TV. Check your settings and manual.

The HDMI 2.0 spec can't handle 4K 60 hz @ RGB. YUV 420 is what you want if HDR is on. If HDR is off you can do RGB at 4K 60 hz.
 
sineclamor said:
So... I got the 49 inch model of this, hooked it up to the ps4 pro, followed the instructions in the op and when I got to video output information it says

resolution - 3840 x 2160 - 60hz
color format - YUV420
HDR on your TV - not supported
HDCP 1.4

So obviously I know very little about tv's, have used monitors for years - think the last tv I owned was about 10 years ago - but did I fail to do some research here? wrong.. serial number or something? Or is there something screwed up in settings?

Anyone taking the time to respond, thanks in advance.
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Are you using the Pro's HDMI cable? If not then you need to get HDMI 2.0 cable [18gbps]. If yes, then insert it into TV's HDMI port 2 or 3. In input source setting of your TV pick Enhanced HDMI format.
 
sineclamor said:
So... I got the 49 inch model of this, hooked it up to the ps4 pro, followed the instructions in the op and when I got to video output information it says

resolution - 3840 x 2160 - 60hz
color format - YUV420
HDR on your TV - not supported
HDCP 1.4

So obviously I know very little about tv's, have used monitors for years - think the last tv I owned was about 10 years ago - but did I fail to do some research here? wrong.. serial number or something? Or is there something screwed up in settings?

Anyone taking the time to respond, thanks in advance.
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Are you using HDMI 2 or HDMI 3 and have enhanced HDMI enabled?

HDMI 1 and 4 do not work with 4k hdr gaming and HDMI 2 and 3 won't work unless enhanced HDMI is enabled.
 
sineclamor said:
So... I got the 49 inch model of this, hooked it up to the ps4 pro, followed the instructions in the op and when I got to video output information it says

resolution - 3840 x 2160 - 60hz
color format - YUV420
HDR on your TV - not supported
HDCP 1.4

So obviously I know very little about tv's, have used monitors for years - think the last tv I owned was about 10 years ago - but did I fail to do some research here? wrong.. serial number or something? Or is there something screwed up in settings?

Anyone taking the time to respond, thanks in advance.
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ps4 pro should default to rgb.
leave all the ps4 pro settings on auto

make sure the hdmi cable is the one that came with the pro, and its plugged into port 2 or port 3.
make sure that enhanced hdmi is turned on in the tv settings.
 
sineclamor said:
So... I got the 49 inch model of this, hooked it up to the ps4 pro, followed the instructions in the op and when I got to video output information it says

resolution - 3840 x 2160 - 60hz
color format - YUV420
HDR on your TV - not supported
HDCP 1.4

So obviously I know very little about tv's, have used monitors for years - think the last tv I owned was about 10 years ago - but did I fail to do some research here? wrong.. serial number or something? Or is there something screwed up in settings?

Anyone taking the time to respond, thanks in advance.
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Are you going via PSVR (if so then there is no HDR passthrough) also you actually have to turn on HDR on this set for the input itself as mentioned by others.
 
potatohead said:
Went to Frys and checked out other 4K HDR sets, and looking at the prices compared to the picture quality, I'm hella glad I went with this cheaper and still very high value option.

The other ones just don't look nearly enough better to spend another $1000 or $2000 for a larger and higher spec set.

The only time I'm going to be upgrading now is when the Sony A1E comes. I will splurge for that for a large one likely (price permitting of course) and put this TV in my bedroom. OLED is just that good, my Vita has better contrast ratio than all my other displays.

If I can clear a 70+ inch for less than $2000 or $2500 of the A1E I will likely bite.

You may have to connect the PS4 to a particular input and also enable a setting to have HDR actually running on the TV. Check your settings and manual.

The HDMI 2.0 spec can't handle 4K 60 hz @ RGB. YUV 420 is what you want if HDR is on. If HDR is off you can do RGB at 4K 60 hz.
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Looking at the TV's Starting with the Samsung KS8000 and up there is a huge difference. Not sure what you are looking at?? The LG OLED TV's are stunning along with the Sony 930D. Just can't really justify paying that much, but they are leaps and bounds better than the X800D. I do however like the X800D for what I paid and I'm happy with it.
 
Is there a cheap way to supplement the speakers in this Tv with rear wireless speakers and a subwoofer or would it be best to go with a soundbar and more complete setup? I quite like the speakers it has already but want more of a surround feel.
 
im still getting audio cutout.

was playing on the 360 yesterday - hdmi 1, forza 4 - and the audio cutout for a couple seconds.

really annoying.
dont know if its the tv buggered or what.
 
ordrin said:
im still getting audio cutout.

was playing on the 360 yesterday - hdmi 1, forza 4 - and the audio cutout for a couple seconds.

really annoying.
dont know if its the tv buggered or what.
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Use HDMI 2 or 3

HDMI port 1 and 4 will not allow 4k/60hz w/HDR at full 4k
 
Hi guys

I'm moving to the city at the end of the month and I'm looking into TVs! You'll have to forgive me for not wanting to scour the 50+ pages of this thread, but I'm curious how people are feeling about the X800D these days. Are there better TVs around the same price range now, or is this still the best option for the price?

Love,
oneida
 
So on HDMI 4 I was not able to do 1440p, but was able to create a custom resolution on hdmi 3, and then I was able to do the same on hdmi 4 (previously I got no signal making a 1440p resolution).

It now works full RGB 8-bit 1440p on hdmi 4, previously I had to run 4k limited.

It seems like hdr works on hdmi 4 as well.
 
ZOONAMI said:
So on HDMI 4 I was not able to do 1440p, but was able to create a custom resolution on hdmi 3, and then I was able to do the same on hdmi 4 (previously I got no signal making a 1440p resolution).

It now works full RGB 8-bit 1440p on hdmi 4, previously I had to run 4k limited.

It seems like hdr works on hdmi 4 as well.
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nice i had not attempted this

oneida said:
Hi guys

I'm moving to the city at the end of the month and I'm looking into TVs! You'll have to forgive me for not wanting to scour the 50+ pages of this thread, but I'm curious how people are feeling about the X800D these days. Are there better TVs around the same price range now, or is this still the best option for the price?

Love,
oneida
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always a better tv, whats your budget and size you are looking for? At 43" this is the best there is - no question. At 49, I personally like value/PQ of the KS8000.
 
Cyriades said:
Use HDMI 2 or 3

HDMI port 1 and 4 will not allow 4k/60hz w/HDR at full 4k
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i think youre responding to the wrong person, or confusing my post with that other person with ps4 pro issues.

im using a xbox 360.

but this audo cutout happens on all consoles, on any hdmi channel.
its rare and random. but it will do it during a multihour gaming session.
 
AbandonedTrolley said:
Amazon have it down at £622 used in various conditions here https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IF521AI/

But obviously paying £699 at somewhere like John Lewis would get you a 5 year warranty too.
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Yeah I'm just kicking myself for missing out when it was £570 and £629 new

III-V said:
always a better tv, whats your budget and size you are looking for? At 43" this is the best there is - no question. At 49, I personally like value/PQ of the KS8000.
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What is the UK code for this model?
 
It's confusing, yeah. I'd seen the KS8000 recommended on US sites (like this) and just disregarded it based on the price that came up when I searched. Until I realised that it was the KS7000 I needed to be searching for in the UK.
 
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