Mohonky
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I can think of games with plenty of performance issues that reviewed every bit as high and took out GOTY's.
Mind you this thread was always going to be full of concern from people who will never play the game.
DF on Zelda Switch: Docked has major frame drops, portable doesn't (no score talk)
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I can think of games with plenty of performance issues that reviewed every bit as high and took out GOTY's.
Mind you this thread was always going to be full of concern from people who will never play the game.
big fake
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I love how people are writing off little criticism as if we are against Zelda? I mean I want to play that game so much you have no clue. I currently am unable to due to school but that doesn't diminish my potential views of the game. I don't doubt for one IOTA of a second that I would love this game, probably be my game of the year, a game of the generation, one of my favorite games of all time. I just can't see this score soo high in this day in age for a game with performance issues this glaring to its experience.
That's one of the three problem spots I was thinking about indeed.
The other two are (location name spoilers)
Death Mountain and Faron Woods (tropical area)
This is what I've been saying for a bit. If some people are upset at this Great Plateau stuff, people are going to go APE when they see how bad other parts of the game can be. I'm convinced that
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hardcastlemccormick
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How do you know that reviewers docked points for performance?
Also just so we're clear here: review scores are made up magical fairy dust numbers that are in no way objective or quantifiable. They're just a distillation of how the reviewer feels about the game as a whole, in a very subjective and made up way.
But really I'd like to see how anyone could prove that these
completely made up an arbitrary
I'm defending Zelda's reviews in this thread but to be honest the performance isn't good news for me. I get headaches playing games under 25-ish fps.
Crazyorloco
Member
The issue is not constant, and only in certain situations in the game.
Gaffers love to blow shit up especially if they're trolling.
Some of my favorite games of all time have major frame rate issues ( favorite; perfect dark)
PowerThroughLov
Member
Probably a bandwidth issue. Doesn't have the bandwidth for the higher resolution. That doesn't adjust in docked mode.
Xenoblade has a lot less going on in it than Zelda. The world is entirely static in terms of lighting, physics, etc. You can't interact with anything.
immortald3ath
Member
SonyGaf here yet?
Emulators emulate the hardware. So you'll get Wii U performance out of it regardless. It's not exactly common to find ways to run games faster unless the emulator lets you "overclock" the emulated CPU
That's the odd thing though. Those are all CPU intensive tasks and the Switch CPU clocks are identical in portable and docked mode and CPU related tasks wouldn't really be affected by a bump in resolution.
UnemployedVillain
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I'm going to assume you started gaming after the Saturn/N64/PS1 generation, because, oh boy...
RAM bandwidth wouldn't really have much to do with slowdown...At most that'd result in pop-in of objects/textures. I'm guessing in addition to the resolution bump they tried including some bump in the game logic
game reviewers should start showing their work. long division style
It's ridiculous.
MHWilliams
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As I've said repeatedly, the Switch is a portable system. Most optimization by devs will be done to make the handheld side the one that plays the best. It's the target spec. The Dock system is elegant, but that's a value add.
Apparently, that's true from Nintendo as well.
Apparently, that's true from Nintendo as well.
boneyjangles
Member
Yeah many 'gamers' aren't objective about visual impact. Too 'inside', and caught up looking aliasing, or pixel counting on a monitor right next to their face.
This game looks fantastic, and it looks to run fine.
Yeah I guess that makes sense.
Given that they do have DLC planned it would be great if they also continued to work on performance improvements. Resolution bump is never going to happen and maybe technically impossible, but hopefully they will be able to increase performance to get a locked 30fps. Mostly likely though nothing will happen and we'll just get more content. Which I'll live with. I'm playing only in handheld mode and it's been fantastic so far.
But man I would totally hook this up to my big screen TV now and again if it was true 1080p with a solid 30fps. There's always CEMU in a year or so I guess.
Got a source for that? Playing the switch preview docked compared to the WiiU, it was a night and day difference.
And I've seen the Switch go to 0fps and freeze in a few videos and gifs.
Having been to the village beginning with K on WiiU, it drops to 20 fps ish for a few moments when looking around - doesn't impact gameplay at all.
This is with the game installed to system memory, maybe there's a difference between that and running off a cd, who knows.
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Probably bandwidth starved. Some tried to tell me it would be OK, but I've been worried since the jump about the 25 Gbps vs 50 on newer arch.
I've also wondered from the jump just how much we should take away from Zelda being the benchmark for the system since the game initially started as a Wii U game. I wonder how much of the Switch engine is hampered by it being cross gen vs native.
I've also wondered from the jump just how much we should take away from Zelda being the benchmark for the system since the game initially started as a Wii U game. I wonder how much of the Switch engine is hampered by it being cross gen vs native.
RoadHazard
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Ridiculous post. You don't have to be "SonyGaf" to not enjoy frequent drops to 20fps.
The Last of Us is a good example.
Though it's been quite a few years.
Gamers have higher standards in 2017.
papercan55
Member
yep, people are going to go nuts when they reach those areas.
This is nothing.
I'm hoping for a patch as this is not like nintendo at all, especially for such a big flagship title.
Crazyorloco
Member
Oh they're here. Lol you can see through some of these dramatic posts.
There is an issue, but it's not as bad as people say.
Thanks. Don't think it will stop me from playing it on the big screen.
Ocarina was playable at 20fps.
Did you get your switch?
I'm fine with this. It's just that the marketing seems to have given off the wrong impression.
10/10 does not mean perfection
If that's how Nintendo's devs are approaching it it's how Nintendo should be selling it. I had dreams of the Switch version being 1080p, 30fps at least. I'm shocked that something they've advertised as the Wii U's replacement, their 'new home console' is barely more powerful than a Wii U. It's crazy to me.
The message needs to change. "It's an amazing portable with a bonus HD out feature."
For devs and other people with knowledge, can it really be a vsync or a bug? If it is, how it can be solved?
Just asking this to not raise my hopes for something that maybe can never be improved.
Doesn't TLOU run well? I played the PS4 version so maybe I am wrong
Just asking this to not raise my hopes for something that maybe can never be improved.
Doesn't TLOU run well? I played the PS4 version so maybe I am wrong
There's no such thing as 'perfection'.
And reviews are not objective.
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I started gaming on an NES, but that was 30 years ago. Don't excuse this with comparing to 20+ year old hardware
No it doesn't. It just means that this is the highest score that the reviewer can give it and that they view it as a masterpiece, warts and all.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
That's not true though. No game is perfect, and games must be allowed to achieve the highest possible score anyway. Otherwise 9/10 would effectively be the highest score any game can reach. The question then becomes if a certain (otherwise amazing) game's issues are severe enough to drag it down from a 10 to a 9. Apparently most reviewers think this game is brilliant enough to be worth 10/10 despite its problems.
Bamboo 竹
Member
Too bad that this is a streaming issue more than a power issue. Makes me think that even reducing the resolution won't be the solution.
But this thread man.
All the GAF members who wanted to shit on this game and couldn't before has gathered here. I didn't see them on any thread praising the game. They just are on the search of a thread pointing a flaw of this game just to shit about it. It's incredibly!
I congratulate you, shitposters. You achieved annoying me by your behavior.
But this thread man.
All the GAF members who wanted to shit on this game and couldn't before has gathered here. I didn't see them on any thread praising the game. They just are on the search of a thread pointing a flaw of this game just to shit about it. It's incredibly!
I congratulate you, shitposters. You achieved annoying me by your behavior.
Equanimity
Member
No. Why do you assume such a thing?
Ocarina was playable at 20fps.
My first play through of Ocarina was on the 3DS.
Sega Mega Drive was my first console.
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
To be fair, I think the way the press loses all critical faculties over ND is equally contemptuous.
U4 was a solid game, but not a 93. The only truly negative review was Washington Post, who were basically low-balling for clicks.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
have you maybe considered
like many of the reviews allege
this is gonna sound crazy
but have you thought
like
maybe
they weighed the performance issues
and found that they don't tip the scales against the overarching experience which they've been praising?
have you considered that sometimes, reviewers may not make that same concession for other games that they don't consider as fun, or that aren't doing as much to offset the negatives brought on by poor performance?
must I explain to you how that doesn't constitute a double standard?
Finally.
In 2015 and 2016 gamers were all about crying elitism at anyone with standards that went beyond what their favorite console could do.
Glad to hear things will be different in 2017.
I think I said this to you in another thread, but that's just not true. Whatever is going on with Zelda, you don't optimize for handheld mode at the expense of docked mode.
outunderthestars
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OrbitalBeard
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It never has and it never will.
lwilliams3
Member
Looks like portable mode's stability was the focus. Hope the issues in console-mode will soon be patched up. Doesn't look unfixable.
Opinions. How do they work. Also the score of the game doesn't affect your daily life in any way shape or form, so don't let it bother you even if you disagree with it, it'll make life simpler, I promise.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Man TLOU ran like such shit. Still probably in my top 5 games of all time though. So motherfucking good.
I'm big on performance but sometimes you just gotta take it at face value for what it is.
Actually, not entirely true. Emulators are indeed able to stabilize the framerate, provided the framerate isn't locked.