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Mobile Suit Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans S2TEKKADAN is MURDERERS, HAIL GHALLARJORN
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Are you mad because the ending was pretty much a negative? Just living at all and getting out of their situation was a win. The human debris were doomed at birth but they live on through the people they saved is what I got from it. Definitely the saddest anime I've ever seen because season 1 is all about hope and season 2 takes that hope and shits all over it. Quite effective at creating frustration and feels.
Frozenprince
Banned
I thought the thing with Rustal at the end makes perfect sense. If somebody as outwardly insane and delusional as McDouble can see how corrupt and broken and utterly ineffectual Gjallarhorn is, of course Rustal, every bit better and more calculating and intelligent could. He could use this victory to prop himself up and keep Gjallarhorn as an entity through force of will for a time, sure. But he's playing the long game. Where he knows this is the most sensible, pragmatic long term outcome for both himself and his position. The man isn't a cartoon villain. He knows if the government collapses it would be all out war without the balancing force of their overwhelming military might (despite most of them being incompetent at best).
He essentially had the choice to reform and make changes or be dragged down in more war and more needless conflicts. And he made the pragmatic one available to him.
It's a great ending.
He essentially had the choice to reform and make changes or be dragged down in more war and more needless conflicts. And he made the pragmatic one available to him.
It's a great ending.
Funny, I just added in the 00 S1 ending comparison and I feel like this is being a redux version of that.
McGills wanted to reform Gallahorn, but how he wanted to do it was through revolution. Glorious revolution and to be the savior. He was uncompromising is the best way to say it.
Rustal does what is best for him and to secure his spot. In his current position, he did just that. He also knew Gallahorn was a decaying corpse and needed to be altered. It was made clear with McGills' revolution. Gallahorn could not stay as it was and now that he had all the power he needed to control it. It was better to reform it into something which works alongside the world rather than causing friction. Better for him, better for the world, better for everyone. He now becomes the President. No one is his equal, people look upon him as a savior, and mostly dissuaded his enemies. But at the same time, it benefits the people. It's like how politicians work, or at least should work.
I think it fits alongside the characters well and also alongside the plot. The Old Man was another person who at times, had to sell out the people he cared for to maintain his position and not go to war. He made background deals to secure safety for them or other things. Lots of shades of people and they all have to work together.
Ok Orga's death upset me because I felt like he was getting off too easy. I wanted to him to watch Tekkadan fall due to his ambitions. I really thought that through some bullshit means, Tekkadan would win and that would've annoyed the shit out of me. I'm so glad it ended the way it did though. That was a really great ending. I really liked that Rustal had the right idea all along, even though his methods were cruel. Iok's death was sooooooo good. McGillis' end was satisfying. Gaelio stays winning with Julietta. It felt good seeing Tekkadan finally get normal, peaceful lives. Well, except for Ride. I didn't really care for Punished Ride. I thought it was stupid honestly. It felt too try-hard. That and Akatsuki's terribly lazy design are the only complaints I have about the ending. Speaking of the designs, I love how everyone (except Takaki and Eugene) actually looked older. They didn't just get a different hairstyle but their facial structure changed too. Kudelia and Julietta both looked great.
This was by far one of the best Gundam series in years, and was such a refreshing departure for the franchise's 38 years.
Seeing Tekkadan go from viewed as these heroic figures to understanding that they're just kids who know nothing about life other than fighting is really fascinating. The actions that Tekkadan takes are truly horrific. This wasn't the classic Gundam trope of good vs. evil, or right vs. wrong, and that made the show all the better for it.
It's arguably good that Tekkadan ultimately lost, as the epilogue demonstrated the impact of everything. Tekkadan themselves were essentially inconsequential. It was McGillis that would be vilified publicly. It showed that some could potentially live 'normal' lives, where as others, like Ride, would not let go of the past and continue to do the only thing they know how, which is to fight and be terrorists.
Seeing Tekkadan go from viewed as these heroic figures to understanding that they're just kids who know nothing about life other than fighting is really fascinating. The actions that Tekkadan takes are truly horrific. This wasn't the classic Gundam trope of good vs. evil, or right vs. wrong, and that made the show all the better for it.
It's arguably good that Tekkadan ultimately lost, as the epilogue demonstrated the impact of everything. Tekkadan themselves were essentially inconsequential. It was McGillis that would be vilified publicly. It showed that some could potentially live 'normal' lives, where as others, like Ride, would not let go of the past and continue to do the only thing they know how, which is to fight and be terrorists.
I agree with you that certain things were needed for things to change, but the rub is that it didn't have to be Rustal in the end. I would have accepted Gaelio because he actually grew in response to events he experienced. Rustal represented the rot of Gjallarhorn along with Iok. It's kind of like had Char managed to drop Axis, then he survived and created an actual free and equal society for both sides. Char was as much a problem as the Federation or the Zabis before him. It is what it is with Rustal, but it does cause some soreness. He's also supposed to serve as Julieta's reason, but she didn't matter in the end.
Now that I think about it the ending reminds me of
ending, every important member of the cast dies but the world gets reformed. Must be cause they both take place in space. It was not quite as effective because the writing with Tekkadan's members was so weak this season.
Terra E's
Agree there. I remember that after that specific episode, McG seems to get more delusional and believe that Bael is going to be like the ultimate key as Mobile Armor exist.
If MA does not exist there, i don't think McG will commit everything on Bael lol as MA existence can make him believe that Agnika Kaeru legend is true 100% and he can be the second one.^^
Okay now you are free to go beat Shiva.
I-I'm working on it <_<
I may have spent a day powering through Kingdom Hearts for the umpteenth time >_>
No Season 3 is sad.T_T I would love watching IBO S3 and the everyday life of the new-wed Gali Gali and Julietta lol.^^
If they ever make more IBO anime, I want them to explore the past, not the future. I don't want a sequel ever in any form. I want them to leave the ending as it is. But I would love to have a balls to the wall huge budget Calamity War movie.
If they ever make more IBO anime, I want them to explore the past, not the future. I don't want a sequel ever in any form. I want them to leave the ending as it is. But I would love to have a balls to the wall huge budget Calamity War movie.
Mika's son. I'd watch it. I doubt it would be good but I would watch lol.
And yes calamity war would be amazing.
Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Season2, Episode 25:
Honestly not having any strong feelings about this ending one way or another.
Honestly not having any strong feelings about this ending one way or another.
I mean yea the world got a lot better but most of the characters we had emotional investment in died there. Oh, also, even though you aren't explicitly stating it IBO, because apparently lesbian hook ups are were you draw the line but teenage pregnancies as just aces, Atra and Kudella got together to best fulfill Atra still quite frankly creepy harem dream there.
ThatChairMan
Member
Ride's Counterattack when?
Honestly, I was pretty down on IBO during S1 and at the start of S2, but from the mobile armor arc onwards, this was pretty damn good. Probably the perfect ending for all the events that led up to it, and the back-to-back with Akihiro and Mika was amazing.
If they ever make more IBO anime, I want them to explore the past, not the future. I don't want a sequel ever in any form. I want them to leave the ending as it is. But I would love to have a balls to the wall huge budget Calamity War movie.
Calamity War would be ace but i want to see more on Akatsuki, Almiria(Where is she Mrgrgr i hope they give us her scene on special edition lol.), Ride live as terrorist and Gali x Julietta lovey lovey scene lol.^^
Aaronrules380
Member
If they do make a sequel I'd imagine Ride and his group would end up as the villains who couldn't ever let go. That said the series doesn't really need a sequel
Some say she is still waiting for him even to this day.
Edit: Oh and I was kind of bothered at Atra's growth spurt, lol. I mean when her age is taken into account already.
If they ever make more IBO anime, I want them to explore the past, not the future. I don't want a sequel ever in any form. I want them to leave the ending as it is. But I would love to have a balls to the wall huge budget Calamity War movie.
You don't want to see Ride kidnap Akatsuki, brainwash him into a killing machine, and make him the figurehead of his revolutionary movement?
Barajas_201
Member
Wow what an ending, loved it and I'm sad the ride is over. Mika and Akihiro's last stand was so perfect, the original Tekkadan team taking on a greater enemy, again, perfection. And lawd, Iok getting crushed by Akihiro was the most satisfying character death in any anime I've ever seen, I mean if Iok made it out alive I would legit hate the ending but thankfully he went out like the punk he was. But the way Rustal ended things was too raw, I wanted Mika to make it out alive somehow, but I totally buy that Rustal made good reforms in the end after the whole Macky fiasco, things need to change.
And the time skip was so great, I love almost everyone's new look expect Takaki, he looked like a child in a saggy suit lol. But the best look goes to Julieta, she's looking so hot! And I'm glad Gaelio hooked up with her in the end, loved it! And Ride, oh my god Ride, he takes my second best pick for the new look, he's such a badass! The resemblance to Orga was great and dealing with that fat bastard was the only closure I wanted more than anything. I'm happy my boy Chad is doing well. Yamagi looked fabulous. Only disappointment was Mika's son, just a copy-paste of child Mika with Atra's hair color, come on now.
Overall great ending, IBO my third favorite Gundam, will watch more if they make them. The only question I have. Why is Gaelio on a wheelchair? Is it just age deterioration or was he injured? That didn't seem right. 10/10 episode.
And the time skip was so great, I love almost everyone's new look expect Takaki, he looked like a child in a saggy suit lol. But the best look goes to Julieta, she's looking so hot! And I'm glad Gaelio hooked up with her in the end, loved it! And Ride, oh my god Ride, he takes my second best pick for the new look, he's such a badass! The resemblance to Orga was great and dealing with that fat bastard was the only closure I wanted more than anything. I'm happy my boy Chad is doing well. Yamagi looked fabulous. Only disappointment was Mika's son, just a copy-paste of child Mika with Atra's hair color, come on now.
Overall great ending, IBO my third favorite Gundam, will watch more if they make them. The only question I have. Why is Gaelio on a wheelchair? Is it just age deterioration or was he injured? That didn't seem right. 10/10 episode.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Why you lying, huh? It was clearly shown that Amida was a better pilot than Julietta. Mika shouldn't have played with his preyand just killed her like he has done with any other combatant he's faced. Had he done that, Shino would've lived along with everyone else up to that point. But who knows the world that would've been forged. They likely would've had to kill Mcgillis, drunk on his obsession with power unless he truly desired to grant everyone equal standing. *EDIT* Sorry if it appears I'm jumping on you, I'm not.
OT though, I thought the ending was great, Nobliss and Iok died, sadly Rustal did not, nor were his crimes and underhanded tactics acknowledged by anyone. Still, at least, the heads of Tekkadan created a world where their family can live without sacrificing their lives on the battlefield. I'm glad Kudelia, Atra, Cookie and Cracker seem to be living fulfilling and peaceful lives. That's all Orga wanted for his family and I'm glad the reached that goal even if every single Tekkadan didn't live to see the sunrise.
Overall I enjoyed the end, I knew it for some of the character's their deaths were coming.
I'm just kinda dissapointed how it all went down. Y'all gonna take Mikazuki down like that? And then say
Get the hell out of here. Julieta and Iok were scrub-tier. Oh well.
Also, seeing leveled up Ride was great.
I'm just kinda dissapointed how it all went down. Y'all gonna take Mikazuki down like that? And then say
Julieta killed the devil with her own hands?
Also, seeing leveled up Ride was great.
I love the ending and wouldn't mind being wrong but I can't shake the feeling they're going to make a finale movie ala Endless Waltz. This felt like a Good end but not a True end.
Hope I'm wrong!
I think now that all the pieces are in place you'll see a time of peace but only because Rustal is waiting for the moment to gain supreme control. That control would come from either Iok's men that want to redeem their leader, or the framing of Tekkadan through Ride's guerrilla unit. Eventually, Mika's son will learn from his father after entering the cockpit of Bael who was restored using the remains of Barbatos, (Juliet beheaded Barbatos but the cockpit is left unseen). Gundam Hijinks ensue. Oh and Gaelio is going to be a fleet captain that sees the full picture and sides with the reformed Tekkadan.
Hope I'm wrong!
ThatChairMan
Member
I do like how the ending continued to invalidate Orga's insanely vague "place for Tekkadan" ideal. Between Mika's "We'd already made it." and the epilogue scenes of Tekkadan members settling down in all sorts of non-mercenary jobs, I thought it really showed that they pushed too hard for something that they already had or obtained.
Amida is facing Julietta who is still getting used with the new suits though.^^ But even if Amida is more powerful, at least now in the universe, the only one who is still alive is Julietta there.^^
If they ever make more IBO anime, I want them to explore the past, not the future. I don't want a sequel ever in any form. I want them to leave the ending as it is. But I would love to have a balls to the wall huge budget Calamity War movie.
Imagine if it starts out with a fairly typical Gundam setting with beams and bits spewing everywhere but as the MAs gradually wear humanity down they have to invent the man-machine interfaces, nanolaminate armor, and go back to physical ammo and melee weapons, a combination of evolution of technology and descent into IBO's trademark chunky heavy metal brutality...!
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Is Ride essentially Hathaway then in your scenario?
Overuse of Ein probably. lol
You know, you're right. They had a place, but the story sets it up as a necessary catalyst for the ending to happen.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Straight bull lol and you know it. Like people are saying, she's a middling pilot. She waited until catastrophic damage had been done to Barbatos and Gusion and let her subordinates die, she knew what was up! Mika should've self destructed and took out Rustal's pawns and Bishop, that way there'd be a power vacuum allowing Kudelia to supplant her self into a position of power and bring about real change and disarm Ghallarjorn.
Great point, kinda like Mika but on a lesser scale with effects surfacing years later? Or maybe he somehow removed his AV? Not sure if he truly had one
King Gilga
Member
An alright ending.
Kind of boring though because everyone won, Orga, Rustal, Choco all got what they wanted in the end.
I guess for anime standards it's a pretty good ending.
I don't dislike julietta, but her always living seems too contrived.
Also helmet galilgali>non helmet galigali
Also that adult atra... Creeeeeeeepy.
Guts jr had a good death line. Good things come tho those who live or whatever.
I think IBO will be my first and last gundam show, I don't like lasers or lightsabers, and I don't like how most gundams look I don't like how most zakus look. I can appreciate the gm sniper II, and Jesta tho, and am okay with the astrays.
But this show, not only did they stick to physical weapons but even the mech designs were very different to other gundams I see and I really liked them, they looked liked mechs. IBO got me into gunpla again but after I run out of IBO kits I think I'm going to stick to other mechs like Koto zoids or somethings.
Kind of boring though because everyone won, Orga, Rustal, Choco all got what they wanted in the end.
I guess for anime standards it's a pretty good ending.
I don't dislike julietta, but her always living seems too contrived.
Also helmet galilgali>non helmet galigali
Also that adult atra... Creeeeeeeepy.
Guts jr had a good death line. Good things come tho those who live or whatever.
I think IBO will be my first and last gundam show, I don't like lasers or lightsabers, and I don't like how most gundams look I don't like how most zakus look. I can appreciate the gm sniper II, and Jesta tho, and am okay with the astrays.
But this show, not only did they stick to physical weapons but even the mech designs were very different to other gundams I see and I really liked them, they looked liked mechs. IBO got me into gunpla again but after I run out of IBO kits I think I'm going to stick to other mechs like Koto zoids or somethings.
Aaronrules380
Member
Honestly even if we do get a sequel featuring terrorist Ride, I think it'd be better suited for a movie than a long tv show. Any other type of sequel would probably need to be further in the future. I would really like a prequel show about the calamity war though
Barajas_201 said:
I think he was having the AV ports taken out or whatever. Hence the bandage on his neck. What with all the 'what it means to be human' talk it makes sense he'd be trying to restore himself.
Not sure where his were, but usually they were on the back below the neck. I didn't know the Ein system hooked up that way. Okay, reading up, he did have a cable connected to his neck. So you're probably right. Not sure why he couldn't walk.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
And one thing that I love, despite how dark it is, is that Tekkadans destruction is what led to society finally accepting that Human Debris as an institution is in humane. The beginning of the season pointed out that despite Tekkadan really only trying to fine a place for themselves, their actions only encouraged more armed forces to use more Human Debris because they found them viable.
It goes to show Rustal is the smartest person ever in the series. What he does so far can't be pinned on him. The Arbrau and SAU war? The blame goes to Galan Mossa.
Dainslef? Iok started using it and got blamed. Not to mention Rustal had a suicide mole on McGillis fleet in order for Rustal to have excuse to use Dainslef also. He turn the forbidden weapon which is the Dainslef into something legal and acceptable for Gjallarhorn to use.
Shouta
Member
I usually hate time skip endings but it made a ton of sense to do so here. It felt like they gave just enough time in the back half to make all the little bits of character development pay off. Ride taking out Nobliss was perfect but also sad. Akihiro getting his sweet revenge was amazing.
As a few folks pointed out, in the end McGillis and Orga both got the resolution they wanted out of this Gjallarhorn and the world changed after the incident and most of Tekkadan were able to escape and change their identities so they could live normal lives. In some respects the "good guys" won even if it was bittersweet and the annals of history will forget or regard them as villains.
It actually makes me wonder if this was McGillis' plan after he got beat in Earth orbit. It didn't really seem like him to go solo into Elion's fleet like that so maybe all of the stuff he was doing while they were cooped up in the Tekkadan base was stuff in the background to move everything in the direction he wanted after it all went down. Or he could just be a crazy.
This will easily one of the best, if not the best, Gundam endings. I'd have to stew on it a bit but it might end up as one of the better endings in general as well.
As a few folks pointed out, in the end McGillis and Orga both got the resolution they wanted out of this Gjallarhorn and the world changed after the incident and most of Tekkadan were able to escape and change their identities so they could live normal lives. In some respects the "good guys" won even if it was bittersweet and the annals of history will forget or regard them as villains.
It actually makes me wonder if this was McGillis' plan after he got beat in Earth orbit. It didn't really seem like him to go solo into Elion's fleet like that so maybe all of the stuff he was doing while they were cooped up in the Tekkadan base was stuff in the background to move everything in the direction he wanted after it all went down. Or he could just be a crazy.
This will easily one of the best, if not the best, Gundam endings. I'd have to stew on it a bit but it might end up as one of the better endings in general as well.
Lol. Julietta had been keep calling the subordinates to not join the battle though. it is not like she literally stand behind and just keep dwindling her thumb lol.
She went hard toward Barbatos even when it is overclocked there and easily parry all Barbatos attack so i can't see how you said she is a middling pilot when you see how easy Barbatos had been taking down all other suits there.
formasymphonic
Member
The series really doesn't need a sequel imo. It's done — the whole point Tekkadan's ending is that they were able to (mostly) move on. Gjallarhorn has moved on. Mars has moved on.
If they really want to extend the universe and ultimately sell more kits, then a Calamity War Era show/OVA makes much more sense.
Vidar AV connector removal. The black bar he had around his neck is gone with bandages over it.
If they really want to extend the universe and ultimately sell more kits, then a Calamity War Era show/OVA makes much more sense.
Vidar AV connector removal. The black bar he had around his neck is gone with bandages over it.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
You can't be serious right now! Lol, wow. Barbatos had one barely functioning arm, extreme structural damage and Mika was controlling the thing with his mind, she was fighting a unconscious person. It just so happens she decided to enter the fray when Barbatos was essentially out of gas and likely sustained too much structural strain to handle all it's "break-neck" actions. Just reason for a moment that she got shitted on when Mika was serious and Barbatos wasn't smashed up in their previous encounter...what changed in this encounter? Everything was in her favor.
His ambition was his reason for living and happiness was a hinderance to his ambition in his mind. I'd say he's emotionally traumatized and ultimately a miserable and sad person. He never really took the hands stretched out to him because he was too afraid. He was victimized much the same way Tekkadan was when they were human debris. Well, he was a human debris actually.
Barajas_201
Member
That makes sense, yeah. Re-watched the episode and I have a new questions. How did Mika's kid get the 3 bracelet Atra made? Did Gjallarhorn go out of their way to find Atra and give it back to her? Also the Gundam being stored has parts from Barbatos so is Mika not dead yet? I mean, Gjallarhorn made a copy of Ein, maybe Mika is...
That was Bael. Gundam Frames have plug and play.
Hellwarden
Member
Anyone else think Mika's/Barabtos' death was a call back to Hashmal's destruction?
Both were killed with a blow to the neck/head by opponents smaller than them. Both were basically rampaging at the end. Both were basically weapons of the old world.
Both were killed with a blow to the neck/head by opponents smaller than them. Both were basically rampaging at the end. Both were basically weapons of the old world.
King Gilga
Member
Jullieta's Reginglaze is bigger than barbatos lupus tho