Psychoward
Banned
I love how the Russians is in quotes as if there isn't overwhelming evidence that points to Russian interference confirmed by multiple intelligence agencies including ones who were described as "Trumpland".
Clinton: 'I was on the way to winning' until Comey, Russia intervened
- Thread starter chubigans
- Start date
I love how the Russians is in quotes as if there isn't overwhelming evidence that points to Russian interference confirmed by multiple intelligence agencies including ones who were described as "Trumpland".
We really going to discredit Russia's massive disinformation campaign and influence via WikiLeaks in the election?
Psychoward
Banned
Well she did admit she messed up too but I mean in any election there's multiple factors as to why people lose or one, it's never solely down to the candidate.
nuttyevans
Member
yassssss queen
Lord Frieza
Member
Anytime I see someone say the media was behind Clinton I wonder if I'm in an alternate dimension
BrassDragon
Member
Seems like a fair and accurate assessment... but when you're running against a know-nothing racist reality tv star who brags about sexual assault with no policies or government experience, how the hell did the margins get so narrow that some bad news cycles tank your whole campaign?
Psychoward
Banned
Idk, ask the 63 million people who voted for the piece of shit.
BrassDragon
Member
I have no dog in this race but I fully expect her party to do just that and stop obsessing over black swan events like Comey.
Swass
Member
I guess the misogyny argument she makes will be put to the test if Elizabeth Warren runs in 2020. I voted for Clinton but no way was she my preferred candidate, she is still a corporate sell out.. truth is Trump sold a bigger bag of lies and used that bag of lies to run a better campaign. Why he still has supporters now though is beyond belief. I just wish the DNC wouldn't have done Bernie dirty like they did, can't imagine the utopia we would be living if he had actually won.
As for the FBI reopening the email investigation hurting her.. maybe, and with how close the election really was in those swing states it may have just been the difference. I'm not sure why any of this matters now though, and I feel Clinton should quit dwelling on it as it is just making her look as pathetic as Trump in not getting over it.
As for the FBI reopening the email investigation hurting her.. maybe, and with how close the election really was in those swing states it may have just been the difference. I'm not sure why any of this matters now though, and I feel Clinton should quit dwelling on it as it is just making her look as pathetic as Trump in not getting over it.
Monochromaticx
Member
Those meddling reds!
Psychoward
Banned
Hopefully they go after the non voters instead since appealing to Trump voters is going to backfire.
MisterFalcon
Member
John Podesta's gmail being hacked was pretty much a self inflicted wound too. Their IT people meant to say 'DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK !!!' but it came out as 'This is a legitimate email'.
BrassDragon
Member
Are non-voters a bigger issue than swing voters? I mean, Obama won two terms not that long ago... did he get more people out to the polling stations rather than win on content?
A post from the beginning of last year is I think what really encapsulates Clinton's loss.
In the end I think if she had focused more on winning over union members and campaigning on a populist economic message - she might have been able to beat Trump. Her campaign focusing on the negatives of Trump to me remains the biggest flaw - she basically learned nothing from 2008 primary. Republicans will vote Republican, it's a dem's job just to focus on high voter turnout and you don't get that by having your major platform being "Trump bad"
Not really, but I it makes you feel better about being sexist. "I love women, but that ones voice is just to shrill for me to vote for her" Really the fact that we've elected so many men with such shittier qualifications than her over the last 200 years doesn't leave much room for imagination here.
The Republican Party endorsed him.
SolarPowered
Member
I've said this before and I'll say it again. As the cyberwarfare ramps up between countries the US electoral college is going to become an increasingly easy electoral mechanism to manipulate. Trying to influence the popular vote would be far harder since the voting base is spread out, but targeting specific mid to large swing states (and the smaller rural/suburban counties) to tip the scales of the electoral college will likely become more and more common in the future (especially if we keep this current winner take all system in place). The USA is like a massive boat that won't be able to turn even when we see the icebergs right ahead of us.
We're so screwed because there is no way we'll be able implement the comprehensive electoral and media reform necessary to tackle these issues head on.
WorldofMiku
Banned
Well they had to. Otherwise they weren't going to win the election. Party before country remember.
Tells more about the country than the candidates to be honest.
eking a close win against donald fucking trump is not defensible
Adam_Vania
Banned
you must be. she had massive media support. she had the SNL/Daily Show flunkies repeating her talking points. she outspend Trump on media spots 2:1. she had historic support among the nation's 100 largest newspapers, many of which had never supported a Democrat or even any candidate, before:
they banked on the media so much they flew back to NY every day to watch the coverage.
Shadowhelper
Banned
There is still the question of how much did Russia intervene, influence a lot of course. But aside from hacking the DNC emails, and strategically leaking them. Outside of DC how damaging was that shit? It was just embarrassing office gossip, and some fascinating insight for political junkies, but other than that, there wasn't really anything there. The allegations she's corrupt because of it, well they were saying that previously.
It seemed like it did hurt the morale of her team, and maybe those leaks just drove team Clinton insane. That community episode that I think is taking on the notion of wikileaks and the Sony hacks, has one where everyones emails are leaked slowly, and it drives them crazy.
Obama always picked his battles. Frankly, he was so militarily bullish when he felt the need, but completely backed down every single time against Russia, and seeing and listening to his rationalization for not doing certain stuff is so disappointing. People, including Clinton, begged Obama to confront Russia. To me, Obama was too obsessed with his legacy.
Comparing Syria to Iraq is ridiculous because there wasn't an ongoing genocide in Iraq. And Iraq could've been a success story with Obama in charge, true story. Afghanistan is a different story, but there was a window of opportunity to actually nation build, but they went in to destroy the place from day one.
It seemed like it did hurt the morale of her team, and maybe those leaks just drove team Clinton insane. That community episode that I think is taking on the notion of wikileaks and the Sony hacks, has one where everyones emails are leaked slowly, and it drives them crazy.
Obama always picked his battles. Frankly, he was so militarily bullish when he felt the need, but completely backed down every single time against Russia, and seeing and listening to his rationalization for not doing certain stuff is so disappointing. People, including Clinton, begged Obama to confront Russia. To me, Obama was too obsessed with his legacy.
Comparing Syria to Iraq is ridiculous because there wasn't an ongoing genocide in Iraq. And Iraq could've been a success story with Obama in charge, true story. Afghanistan is a different story, but there was a window of opportunity to actually nation build, but they went in to destroy the place from day one.
El_Tiguere
Member
Translation: "I was on my way to winning until my FBI criminal investigation was brought up, and until people saw how we were shady as fuck as campaign via emails."
TestOfTide
Banned
The FBI invieatigation that cleared her? Or are you gonna go back to your right-wing conspiracies about Hillary Clinton to justify that one?
encephalon
Member
We live in a world where bragging about sexual assault apparently doesn't seem all that abnormal for some people, apparently. Or who are at least more than willing to subscribe to the idea that that's just "how men talk." Consider Trump's election to be the appearance of existing issues bubbling up to the surface in all their rotten glory. Being unapologetically racist is just being "real" or "telling it like it is." In other words, Trump says things that many people already believe or are more than willing to believe.
Sanders supporters who jump at the opportunity to point out that he did better than Hillary in states that she lost probably don't realize that Sanders message wouldn't have been as appealing as Trump's without the racism to go with it.
plagiarize
Banned
The leaked e-mails had select parts picked out of them by wikileaks to feed into conspiracy theories from the far left about rigged primaries, etc. Those didn't hurt Clinton in the middle, but on the far left. Disappointed Sander's supporters looking for whatever evidence they could that their guy hadn't lost a fair election.
To be clear, I know wikileaks hosted every e-mail they got, but the highlights they posted were clearly designed to stop Sanders supporters switching over to Clinton, and judging from what I saw on my Facebook wall, that was at least partly successful.
Gunblade47
Neo Member
It was one of the many things. The DNC really threw her campaign under the bus with their bias. And Im not talking about media bias and such Im talking about the basics such as the very small amounts of debates that were held. Anyone could see that they already decided they want Hillary and they found Sanders to be an annoyance for dragging it out. It wasn't illegal at all but in an election where people were frantically throwing votes at Trump because of their hate towards the establishment (lol at the idea of an anti-establishment Trump) it was seen as a pretty tone-deaf move imho.
The really big thing that really cost her the election is just how backwards the US election system is and what a massive problem gerrymandering is. I just cant comprehend how the system evolved to the point where parties picking their voters instead of the other way around is seen as the norm.
Hopefully the democratic party and their voters now realize that the democratic process shouldn't be taken for granted.
The really big thing that really cost her the election is just how backwards the US election system is and what a massive problem gerrymandering is. I just cant comprehend how the system evolved to the point where parties picking their voters instead of the other way around is seen as the norm.
Hopefully the democratic party and their voters now realize that the democratic process shouldn't be taken for granted.
encephalon
Member
Ahh, yes. The sure sign of a person unfit to run a presidential campaign - ambition.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
"Love Trumps Hate" and "I'm With Her" really tell you all you need to know about Clintons campaign.
teruterubozu
Member
Just keep pouring salt on that wound, Hillary. It's not like the Dems are divided enough.
Her political career needs to be put down like a dog, maybe then she'll learn how to lose.
I still think her joke-worthy candidacy was ultimately responsible for Trump winning, not because all the racists found their candidate.
Everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
The Greek Freak
Member
I really wish the GOP had nominated someone sane and only semi garbage so I could enjoy the Clinton and delusional yaaas queen tears much more despite voting for her.
Her cult, you know the one that would shit on Bernie and call anyone who supported him a misogynist, have funnily all disappeared.
I wonder what happened, since you know GAF was one of her biggest shills for her website.
Well it certainly didn't help but I'm not sure she was on her way to winning. She ran a pretty uninspiring campaign. Many people voted for her simply because Trump and the Republicans are so damn terrible not because they were all that excited about her. Hard to win an election like that.
El_Tiguere
Member
They could not prove intent because her lackeys destroyed thousands of "personal" emails, effectively crippling the FBI. Leave it to Clinton supporters to come up with every excuse they can for their corrupt Prima Donna. Thanks to her shady shit, we now have Trump. Thanks to her campaign telling their media lapdogs to prop up Trump as her "Pied Piper" candidate, we now have Trump.
The Clintons need to go back into the self-dealing hole they just came out of.
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
Isn't there more evidence that Bill Clinton is a rapist than Donald Trump is a racist bigot?
El_Tiguere
Member
Not just a rapist. A potential pedophile rapist who was a regular on Epstein's Lolita Express. But hey, according to GAF he would have been a mighty fine First Ladyman.
FreedomFighter
Member
She lost because she was a shit candidate. Period.
This Comey, Russia, and by extension, 3rd party, and stupid, racists Americans (ok, so maybe the last one is true) denial is just dumb.
She needs to get over it and accept the reality that she's not a very good candidate. Only SHE could lose to Trump.
This Comey, Russia, and by extension, 3rd party, and stupid, racists Americans (ok, so maybe the last one is true) denial is just dumb.
She needs to get over it and accept the reality that she's not a very good candidate. Only SHE could lose to Trump.
I'm ok with using the term "Russian interference" as long as either "Russian" or "interference" is put in quotes.
It's important to point out in one way or another that what the Russians pulled was a propaganda effort against Hillary. It wasn't Russia literally rigging the vote tally like the media and many Dems have led a considerable portion of their base to believe by using that term or the now iconic "Hacking of our election" line.
The damage is done now, I think. So it really doesn't matter so much anymore. If I remember correctly, they got over 50% of Dems to believe that the vote tally was rigged according to this one poll.
The very same Lolita Express Donald Trump has been linked to.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
and that she's a loser. Don't forget the other really important part.
And don't forget how Abuela didn't even have the backbone to address her supporters at her campaign HQ the night of the election. She had someone else come out and tell them all to go home. 😂
Similar threads
- Locked