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[Vincent Alexander]

Dunno, ask her. That's not true at all.

She uh....a little defensive about the discussion. Lol.

A lie that Trump told on national TV during his interview with CBS. A lie that the media let him get away with.

Ah. Thank you.

 

[Miracle]

BLM protests, the women's march, airport protests, and march for science say otherwise. Cynicism gets us nowhere.

None of those protests did shit. It was about as effective as a typical Facebook post.

Sadly, we don't have today's version of Martin Luther King, JFK, etc.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Why do people think this will cause Republicans to lose seats? This is why people voted for them to begin with.

Yea. No republican or republican leaning voter is going to stay home because of this. This is what they wanted.

I just hope this wakes centrist, apathetic and younger voters up and gets them in the polls in 18 and 20.

 

[Kthulhu]

This.
Call your senators. Tell them to vote no.

Ted Cruz is my senator.

 

[Bronx-Man]

So 24 million are about to lose coverage now?

 

[Toxi]

The majority of House Republicans just voted to destroy healthcare for many Americans, a massively unpopular idea that scares the shit out of me. Every single House Democrat voted against.

But let's talk about singing

 

[Vanillalite]

Why are people more irritated by what the Dems are doing as opposed to what the Republicans have done?

Have we not established who the real enemy is or are we still too busy tearing down our own allies?

We can focus on more than one thing. We can be more mad at conservatives for passing this, AND still think it feels kinda classless.

It doesn't have to be an either or situation.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Democrats always do this kind of stuff, if healthcare does get cheaper for healthy people guess who wins again.

Unless all of those people are in prime health, it's not going to get cheaper.

And even, it mostly won't get cheaper.

 

[kirblar]

People 50 or under were born in 1967 at the earliest. Your praised "fighters of the '60s and '70s" don't actually exist. (In numbers large enough to do anything) They're the generations holding us back.

Also, my boss keeps saying this bill isn't bad because they added funding for pre-existing conditions. What is she referencing?

Fake News.

 

[plagiarize]

Also, my boss keeps saying this bill isn't bad because they added funding for pre-existing conditions. What is she referencing?

An increase of 8 billion dollars to the money for preexisting conditions. Which is a single digit percentage increase on what was originally proposed.

So...

 

[-griffy-]

Why do people think this will cause Republicans to lose seats? This is why people voted for them to begin with.

Your boss is dumb because they think $8 billion sounds like a big number, when it's a drop in the bucket for what would actually be needed.

 

[ultron87]

Also, my boss keeps saying this bill isn't bad because they added funding for pre-existing conditions. What is she referencing?

Presumably the "Upton Amendment" which added 8 billion in funds for this purpose. It does exist as part of the bill, but by all accounts is a drop in the bucket for the funding that it would actually require to properly support those people.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Ted Cruz is my senator.

I'm so sorry

 

[Netherscourge]

Someone said they only need 50 votes. I don't know wtf anymore.

From CNBC:

GOP leaders are trying to kill and replace several major parts of Obamacare through the process known as budget reconciliation.

If the Senate parliamentarian agrees that the bill qualifies for that process because it is budget-specific, Republicans would need just 50 votes in the Senate, where they hold 52 seats, to pass the proposal.

But four GOP senators have already expressed opposition to the idea of rolling back gains made in Medicaid coverage under Obamacare, as the new GOP bill could well do. Other Republicans have objected to the bill's use of refundable tax credits to subsidize the purchase of private individual health insurance plans, while other GOP members opposed the defunding of Planned Parenthood in the bill.

If the parliamentarian does not agree that bill can be passed through reconciliation, Republicans would need 60 senators to vote for the bill. That would likely be an impossible hurdle, given how firmly Democrats are opposed to it.

It all comes down to whether or not they can use budget reconciliation or not.

 

[BatDan]

Who cares if the Dems aren't being classy right now? FUCK YOUR PURITY TESTS!
This is war!

 

[BronsonLee]

I'm dying at Issa being the 216th vote on this

Talk about tempting fate

 

[Cymbal Head]

I'm glad the Democrats think that allowing people to die is a political win for them.

 

[Unison]

Worst comes to worst, states have to apply for this right? So I could move to Cali and be all right?

Wrong.

There's a loophole by which insurers can adopt the standards of any state where they offer coverage, even to customers in other states.

One state adopts the minimum and every state is fucked.

I suspect this might be the basis for a legal challenge, but that's way down the line.

 

[Lunarwhale]

Dems are so classless.

heart to heart if you're concerned with """"""class"""""" over a bill where rape victims have to pay more to stay alive you're a shitheel

 

[BitStyle]

So 24 million are about to lose coverage now?

If it passes the Senate in its current state

 

[Kthulhu]

None of those protests did shit. It was about as effective as a typical Facebook post.

Sadly, we don't have today's version of Martin Luther King, JFK, etc.

What do you expect people to do? The people in power are ignoring them and have been for years.

 

[Karsticles]

Why do people think this will cause Republicans to lose seats? This is why people voted for them to begin with.

Since day 1 Trump said he was going to take care of everyone with an even better plan.

 

[WedgeX]

No democrat voted for this

People need to calm down

Didn't see the updated final. Going to blame CNN's live coverage for this one. Will amend.

 

[EatinOlives]

She uh....a little defensive about the discussion. Lol.

Ah. Thank you.

Lawl.

But yeah, it's not true. It guts pre-existing conditions full stop.

 

[MHWilliams]

Why do people think this will cause Republicans to lose seats? This is why people voted for them to begin with.

Well, the mental calculus of their voters wasn't just "Repeal Obamacare". It was "Repeal Obamacare because it's bad and replace it with something better." The problem is the "something better", isn't. And there's no one else to really blame for it, when you control every branch of government.

 

[plagiarize]

We can focus on more than one thing. We can be more mad at conservatives for passing this, AND still think it feels kinda classless.

It doesn't have to be an either or situation.

How should they react?

Give the GOP their 'moment' to 'relish' their 'victory'?

I'm scratching my head here.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Presumably the "Upton Amendment" which added 8 billion in funds for this purpose. It does exist as part of the bill, but by all accounts is a drop in the bucket for the funding that it would actually require to properly support those people.

An increase of 8 billion dollars to the money for preexisting conditions. Which is a single digit percentage increase on what was originally proposed.

So...

Have there been any estimates on what would actually be needed?

 

[Unison]

Ted Cruz is my senator.

You have two.

 

[fredrancour]

Based on the NYT link it passed by literally 1 vote? Sigh...are you shitting me, 1 fucking vote?

Controversial bills get their voting planned out in advance so that ppl in vulnerable seats can pretend they don't support unpopular things

 

[Xe4]

Ted Cruz is my senator.

Call him. Call Cornyn too. They'll still vote yes, but it can't hurt.

 

[Zyae]

Why do people think this will cause Republicans to lose seats? This is why people voted for them to begin with.

Look up public approval numbers for these bills.

 

[Sean C]

Why do people think this will cause Republicans to lose seats? This is why people voted for them to begin with.

No, as the subsequent debate over the AHCA has made clear, people voted for the GOP's unicorn healthcare proposal, i.e., the one that would offer "something great for everyone", in Trump's words.

Once the GOP had to actually produce this proposal, the magnitude of their deceit became apparent. The GOP's policies do the exact opposite of what their rhetoric called for.

 

[WarioFan63]

RUN!

It's briefly crossed my mind and it would be nice to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen but I dont think I have the stanima to handle that kind of job.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I'm glad the Democrats think that allowing people to die is a political win for them.

Democrats didn't allow shit. Get your head out your ass. Fucking purity tests and blaming Democrats while the fucking GOP are the ones who actually championed this and passed it.

 

[Gallbaro]

So 24 million are about to lose coverage now?

A majority of them might actually see premiums decrease. A minority of them will be horribly affected.

 

[2Smashed4U]

So let's say this does get through the Senate

Is that just fucking it then? If we ever want decent healthcare, are we going to have to start from square one like the ACA never happened? And go through the same bullshit Obama did to even have to force Democrats to get on board with it?

I am so pissed off right now

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Have there been any estimates on what would actually be needed?

$130 billion short i believe

 

[sphagnum]

If you live in a red district, just call anyway so that you can explode at the staff.

 

[Toxi]

I'm glad the Democrats think that allowing people to die is a political win for them.

Never mind the people who fucking voted for this bill

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I thought the promise was "this thing is a mess, we'll give you something better."

It is all in the sales pitch tbh.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I'm glad the Democrats think that allowing people to die is a political win for them.

I'm glad that the path to a majority may well be through millions of people like you who have to willfully be missing the fucking point to unironically think shit like this

 

[Wallach]

Controversial bills get their voting planned out in advance so that ppl in vulnerable seats can pretend they don't support unpopular things

Yeah. And the one that took the big fall on this one is Issa.

Hope that paycheck was worth it you cunt, because your shit has an expiration date now.

 

[Kthulhu]

You have two.

I know I have two. Cornryn isn't as famous.

Edit: hell, I forget his name sometimes.

 

[louiedog]

Well, the mental calculus of their voters wasn't just "Repeal Obamacare". It was "Repeal Obamacare because it's bad and replace it with something better." The problem is the "something better", isn't. And there's no one to really blame for it, when you control every branch of government.

Plus the one thing all of these voters seemed to recognize that was good, and what Trump promised he wouldn't get rid of, was the pre-existing condition stuff. Now it's gone.

 

[Lord Frieza]

None of those protests did shit. It was about as effective as a typical Facebook post.

Sadly, we don't have today's version of Martin Luther King, JFK, etc.

MLK was loathed in his day, and JFK wasn't nearly as progressive as you probably think.

 

[EatinOlives]

Ted Cruz is my senator.

It's weird, I live in Texas but every time I look up who my senator is all I get is "putrid cuntbucket".

 

[Hale-XF11]

All I can do is weep for my country. Every day gets sadder and sadder, with today being the saddest of them all.

 

[Alucrid]

Also, my boss keeps saying this bill isn't bad because they added funding for pre-existing conditions. What is she referencing?

it was 8 billion towards the high risk pool. except the high risk pool doesn't cover everyone with preexisting conditions and that the additional funding still wouldn't be anywhere near adequate for the people in them.

 

[Jack Scofield]

Nothing surprises me anymore. I'm completely disillusioned with this fucking country. I'm sure this thing will pass the Senate with little (if any) changes and be signed into law. I feel like I'm watching a movie where the bad guy keeps winning.

 

[John Rabbit]

This is delusional. You think some occurrence on the House floor will be remembered more than things immediately impacting people's households?

I think right-wing media will literally latch onto the tiniest scrap of non-information to poison the mind's of their viewership, yes.