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[RoadHazard]

Exactly.
Swedens idea of being a "semi-member" wouldn't be worth anything once the shit hits the fan.

Yep.

So what, is this just the new world order now, that Russia gets to decide everything and do whatever the fuck they want? Everything feels completely fucked, I'm honestly scared for my freedom and peace for the first time in my life.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

I have a feeling Putin will use them anyway to paralize NATO. Imagine nuclear strike on Poland, no one would dare to fight with Russia after that. In reality, Russia has been already cut off from the West. Putin doesn't give a shit anymore.

The first long range nuclear missile wouldn't even hit Polish ground before the West launches its own nuclear missiles towards Russian targets. If that happens, the entire northern hemisphere can become strongly radiated and big cities like Paris in all major countries pulverized by the impact of the missiles hitting them.

 

[Kraz]

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Interesting concept.

 

[Wheeljack539]

From CBS Evening News last night interview with Secretary of State Antony Blinken:



At the 2:50 mark the interviewer brings up that Russia's economy is gas backed and that the US purchases gas from Russia and if we'd consider cutting off purchases from them and Blinken responds with a non answer about hurting them with least amount of pain to us (read: no).

So we, despite sanctions, are still providing them money. And since cost of oil per barrel is going up Russia profits more.

 

[RoadHazard]

The first long range nuclear missile wouldn't even hit Polish ground before the West launches its own nuclear missiles towards Russian targets. If that happens, the entire northern hemisphere can become strongly radiated and big cities like Paris in all major countries pulverized by the impact of the missiles hitting them.

Yeah... But would the west retaliate and doom the entire planet to full nuclear war and the effective end of humanity? Or would we sacrifice Poland like we've sacrificed Ukraine?

 

[Glockmarksmen]

I have a feeling Putin will use them anyway to paralize NATO. Imagine nuclear strike on Poland, no one would dare to fight with Russia after that. In reality, Russia has been already cut off from the West. Putin doesn't give a shit anymore.

You're completely unhinged if you believe a nuclear attack will have no drawbacks. Would be suicide for Russia as a nation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I mean is Russia holding back their actual good troops? Because the army they sent into Ukraine is like Iraqi Gulf War 1 dogshit and would get rolled in days by US/UK forces.

A lot of the armor they have been using were old cold war stockpiles. They are seemingly sending in "the junk" to exhaust Ukraine.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Yep.

So what, is this just the new world order now, that Russia gets to decide everything and do whatever the fuck they want? Everything feels completely fucked, I'm honestly scared for my freedom and peace for the first time in my life.

I mean the answer is if you want to be out of NATO you better have 1. a competent military, and 2. nukes.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yeah... But would the west retaliate and doom the entire planet to full nuclear war and the effective end of humanity? Or would we sacrifice Poland like we've sacrificed Ukraine?

At that point it'll come down to about 20 people on each side sweating intensely, and deciding the fate of the human race.

 

[Aggelos]

Another angle of the multi-purpose fully amphibious auxiliary armored tracked vehicle running over a Ukrainian civilian

 

[RoadHazard]

I mean the answer is if you want to be out of NATO you better have 1. a competent military, and 2. nukes.

Yeah, and we have neither.

Guess it's time to enjoy whatever life in freedom I have left. Soon I will be Russian. Or dead.

 

[Glockmarksmen]

Yeah... But would the west retaliate and doom the entire planet to full nuclear war and the effective end of humanity? Or would we sacrifice Poland like we've sacrificed Ukraine?

A ground war and a nuclear conflict are so fundamentally different there are no parallels.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Edit: Ok, if we try to join NATO they will destroy us. We better do it quick then. Because if we DON'T join, they can just roll in and nobody will intervene (like now). Soooo I guess we're fucked either way? That's cool.

Svenskar och finnar välkomna

 

[Atrus]

The elected government was overthrown for wanting closer ties with Russia in 2014? That's fine I guess

Syria also has an elected government but it was acceptable to try destroy that. So many hypocritical stances.

When was the last time Syria had a fair election?

What you are describing isn't a hypocritical stance but your lack of education and indoctrinated bias.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's real.

Led by morons, or by design?

 

[Wheeljack539]

A lot of the armor they have been using were old cold war stockpiles. They are seemingly sending in "the junk" to exhaust Ukraine.

Exactly. It's no big loss cost-wise in losing those stockpiles this way.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Yeah... But would the west retaliate and doom the entire planet to full nuclear war and the effective end of humanity? Or would we sacrifice Poland like we've sacrificed Ukraine?

Well, from my admittedly limited knowledge of general Game theory, in this hypothetical scenario it wouldn't make any sense politically for NATO to not retaliate with full force, even if that means paying the highest possible cost. But don't worry, mankind will survive. You know, the brown part of it.

 

[DrAspirino]

Yeah, for sure. It's literally just bought politicians. And the Chinese know that, and know where to pay. We have to root out people prioritizing money over the interests of the nation. And that's damn near every politician we have most of the time so it's an uphill battle for sure.

THIS!!! SO MUCH THIS!!!

The main downfall of the entire west (yes, including LatAm) in servitude to China is happening right before our eyes, because of that mentality.

- Why make iPhones in America when it's so much cheaper to do so in China?
- well...maybe because China is an authoritarian regime and an enemy to the west interests?
- But it's so much cheaper in China and we can make so much more profit!!
(rinse and repeat for every western corporation that has factories in China and Asia).

Now, as a civilization, we're too deep in shit to actually do something, and the east knows it.

And sanctions won't do shit to Russia. Russians are accustomed to famine and being sanctioned to hell and beyond, so they'll take it as another reason to hate and despise the west even more.

The situation right now is a monumental shit show for the west, and the west can't do a thing about it.

 

[Wheeljack539]

I can't understand the woman trying to translate or whatever she's doing. What are they threatening and why?

But if true, what the fuck. We haven't done shit. But neither had Ukraine I guess. So I guess it's time to prepare to die. Fun.

Edit: Ok, if we try to join NATO they will destroy us. We better do it quick then. Because if we DON'T join, they can just roll in and nobody will intervene (like now). Soooo I guess we're fucked either way? That's cool.

Well, look at it this way:

 

[Braag]

Liverapportering: Ryska invasionen av Ukraina

Liverapportering med de senaste nyheterna om kriget mellan Ryssland och Ukraina. Om senaste utvecklingen och bakgrunden. Varför invaderar Ryssland Ukraina?

www.aftonbladet.se

If Sweden and Finland joins NATO Russia will have to take action.

Well of course. Finland and Sweden are next on their plate once they are done with Ukraine. I would say fuck it and just join NATO, don't do the same mistake Ukraine did.

 

[Sybrix]

How can this not end in further escalation from NATO and the EU?

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

Well, look at it this way:

Ukraine were sold down the river by the US, UK and Russia. A promise of protection and the best we've got is some military aid in the form of weapons and medical supplies, all the while hitting Russia with meaningless sanctions.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well, look at it this way:

Ukraine were sold down the river by the US, UK and Russia. A promise of protection and the best we've got is some military aid in the form of weapons and medical supplies, all the while hitting Russia with meaningless sanctions.

Which goes back to what I posted earlier...

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

I can't understand the woman trying to translate or whatever she's doing. What are they threatening and why?

But if true, what the fuck. We haven't done shit. But neither had Ukraine I guess. So I guess it's time to prepare to die. Fun.

Edit: Ok, if we try to join NATO they will destroy us. We better do it quick then. Because if we DON'T join, they can just roll in and nobody will intervene (like now). Soooo I guess we're fucked either way? That's cool.

Just join and take the risk, it's almost inevitable now. Putin needs to go and sadly the world will be dragged into a war once again. If only the US wasn't always talking shit to China they might have joined us against Russia. I sadly live in Belgium where the NATO headquarters is, so my country is a target for sure.

It's crazy to think Russian scum can even threaten those countries.

 

[ManaByte]

Gunfire, explosions erupt inside Ukrainian capital as Russian forces advance on Kyiv: LIVE UPDATES

It's war: Russia launched a three-pronged invasion of Ukraine, targeting Kyiv, attacking the second-largest city Kharkov, and bringing in troops from Crimea. US, UK say Russia moving 'slower than expected' as army moves into capital city.

www.foxnews.com

Ukraine defense official claims Russia has lost 2,800 service members

Ukraine Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar said Friday that Russian forces have lost 2,800 service members since the start of the invasion.
She added that Russia also lost 80 tanks, 516 armored combat vehicles, 10 aircraft and seven helicopters.
"We are strong!" she wrote on Facebook. "Victory will be ours!"

 

[miles118]

Well, look at it this way:

You idiots really beleive that if they had not tried to join Nato Russia wouldn't have attacked ? Ukraine wants to join NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. How many times do we have to say it. You are buying into Russia's propaganda.

 

[Alebrije]

So if Ukrania is left alone...this will be Afganistán 2.0 ....

 

[DrAspirino]

How can this not end in further escalation from NATO and the EU?

The EU and the nordic countries rely too much on russian gas to escalate the situation. Escalating would be suicidal for them.

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

Which goes back to what I posted earlier...

Very interesting. Thank you for posting

 

[Sybrix]

The EU and the nordic countries rely too much on russian gas to escalate the situation. Escalating would be suicidal for them.

Problem is Russia will now demand these countries make assurances that they will never join NATO.

I don't see these counties doing this, which makes me wonder how this ends.

 

[MikeM]

Well of course. Finland and Sweden are next on their plate once they are done with Ukraine. I would say fuck it and just join NATO, don't do the same mistake Ukraine did.

They need to join. Now. Putin can't be allowed to make threats to other nations.

 

[M1chl]

I feel like what Bezmenov 30 years ago is more true than ever. The amount of tankies and other people like that rooting for Russia, because of *reasons* is insane.

hurr durr the Nazis™

RT sure is one hell of an "influencer"

 

[Darius87]

russian ships at black sea hit moldova and panama ships, things getting out of hand.

 

[Helghan]

Yeah... But would the west retaliate and doom the entire planet to full nuclear war and the effective end of humanity? Or would we sacrifice Poland like we've sacrificed Ukraine?

The battle will be fought in Poland if Russia moves in. Furthest that Russia would be able to come is the border with Germany, they'll never get into Germany.

 

[Hari Seldon]

They need to join. Now. Putin can't be allowed to make threats to other nations.

Why should NATO let them in though? They have very little military power to offer the alliance.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Gunfire, explosions erupt inside Ukrainian capital as Russian forces advance on Kyiv: LIVE UPDATES

It's war: Russia launched a three-pronged invasion of Ukraine, targeting Kyiv, attacking the second-largest city Kharkov, and bringing in troops from Crimea. US, UK say Russia moving 'slower than expected' as army moves into capital city.

www.foxnews.com

Jesus Christ if that's actually true. The US had about 4,400 killed throughout the entire Iraq war.

 

[Kraz]

Ukraine defense official claims Russia has lost 2,800 service members

Ukraine Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar said Friday that Russian forces have lost 2,800 service members since the start of the invasion.
She added that Russia also lost 80 tanks, 516 armored combat vehicles, 10 aircraft and seven helicopters.
"We are strong!" she wrote on Facebook. "Victory will be ours!"

Will they be recognized and honoured by their leaders or disowned by fiery morale boosters?

As for the cost in cigarettes - seems like it's light 'em while they got 'em.

 

[Pagusas]

Problem is Russia will now demand these countries make assurances that they will never join NATO.

I don't see these counties doing this, which makes me wonder how this ends.

Wonder if the US could pick up the slack with oil exports? Shut Russia off economically and isolate them, while the US/South America and Canada reap the oil contracts for those regions in need.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wonder if the US could pick up the slack with oil exports?

About that

Oil reserves released by Biden expected to primarily go to China, India

President Biden’s move to tap the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve is expected to supply China and India oil needs as gas demands have led to global shortages, reports said Tuesday.

www.foxbusiness.com

Much of Biden’s Oil Release Will Likely End Up in China, India

Much of Biden’s Oil Release Will Likely End Up in China, India

www.bloombergquint.com

 

[chromhound]

i'm impressed with Ukraine. They seem well trained

 

[Forsete]

Yep.

So what, is this just the new world order now, that Russia gets to decide everything and do whatever the fuck they want? Everything feels completely fucked, I'm honestly scared for my freedom and peace for the first time in my life.

I agree 100%.

Edit: Fighter aircraft just flew over my house. They are armed to the teeth, normally they fly without weapons but not any longer.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Why should NATO let them in though? They have very little military power to offer the alliance.

Yes because that's what matter in joining a defensive alliance. In cases like this, it would mean letting allies deploy personnel and weapons in your country in case there is any threat (like now).

My heart breaks when seeing the pictures of these children scared as hell, knowing just last week they probably went to school playing on the playground. Now some fat botox fucker is fucking their life up for what?

 

[ManaByte]

Wonder if the US could pick up the slack with oil exports? Shut Russia off economically and isolate them, while the US/South America and Canada reap the oil contracts for those regions in need.

If only the US had a major pipeline operational...

 

[Sybrix]

Wonder if the US could pick up the slack with oil exports? Shut Russia off economically and isolate them, while the US/South America and Canada reap the oil contracts for those regions in need.

That's one option, it will hurt all counties using gas and oil form Russia which will cause damage to nations for several years, can all counties involved tolerate that? Not so sure.

The other option is to bite the bullet and call Russia's bluff and prepare for war.

The other option would be to roll over and give into Russia's demands.

Wonder which............

 

[sinnergy]

Dude has gone completely mad , threatening other countries

 

[Forsete]

 

[Pagusas]

If only the US had a major pipeline operational...

Was more thinking a massive cargo shipping campaign

 

[Havoc2049]

Wonder if the US could pick up the slack with oil exports? Shut Russia off economically and isolate them, while the US/South America and Canada reap the oil contracts for those regions in need.

You would hope, but with the current administration, probably not.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

Damn. that Live Reddit feed is insane. this is seemingly escalating very very quickly.

 

[Forsete]

Damn. that Live Reddit feed is insane. this is seemingly escalating very very quickly.

Link?