ChorizoPicozo
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the copium is real. MSFS is more like a tool(google earth) than a videogame
Jez Corden: Multiple aquisitions by microsoft xbox failed/stopped because of ABK
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Nydius
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People still whining about $70 games when the base cost of games hadn't increased from $60 since 2007? Every other entertainment media has increased in price since 2007, but games, despite being larger and taking more money to produce, should stay the same price as the mid-2000s? Get a grip.
Whether Sony led the way is irrelevant, EA, Ubisoft, and Take-Two were already eyeing an increase in base game cost this generation.
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reinking
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I would not challenge the argument. MS is very capable of putting out quality content. It is more the Xbox side that seem to think they need Acti-Blizzard to compete. Many people that side with Sony (myself included) have said all along MS just needs to put in the work. They already have the studios to compete.I rest my case.
Does anyone else want to actually challenge the argument or we can just go on under the assumption that I'm right? I don't see many volunteers here capable to put actual words in line besides dropping gifs or meaningless reactions
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Genshin impact is a gacha game, designed from the ground up for P2W. Destiny is not comparable.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
A tool? So you think all sandbox games are "more like a tool than video games?"
There's no difference in playability between MSFS and any open-ended sandbox game. Try again.
The onus of naming games that are better and why is on those who would try to counter my argument.
Microsoft Flight Simulator is a game with unparalleled complexity but still very accessible. It's visually spectacular, it has absolutely enormous (and virtually unparalleled) longevity, it does things *no other game* on any console platform does, and it provides players with an entire platform worth of free and paid content. There are few video games that can qualify as an entire hobby on their own. MSFS does, easily.
Microsoft Flight Simulator is part of the Xbox side. The fact that has "Microsoft" in the name doesn't make it any different.
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Aressa
You can't die before your death
Why would I as a consumer want to pay companies MORE. What kind of logic is that.
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ChorizoPicozo
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sandbox?A tool? So you think all sandbox games are "more like a tool than video games?"
There's no difference in playability between MSFS and any open-ended sandbox game. Try again.
The onus of naming games that are better and why is on those who would try to counter my argument.
Microsoft Flight Simulator is a game with unparalleled complexity but still very accessible. It's visually spectacular, it has absolutely enormous (and virtually unparalleled) longevity, it does things *no other game* on any console platform does, and it provides players with an entire platform worth of free and paid content. There are few video games that can qualify as an entire hobby on their own. MSFS does, easily.
Microsoft Flight Simulator is part of the Xbox side. The fact that has "Microsoft" in the name doesn't make it any different.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
sandbox?
Come on. I'm sure you can put more than one word in a post. What's your point?
Hoe exactly does MSFS not qualify as a game? You can do it. I believe in you.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It just sounds like you really like planes and flying around while talking with your buddies online.
You aren't really saying much about the game, you might think you are but you're not.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
The fact that you say I'm not doesn't mean I'm not. Try a bit harder. So far, you have not said a single word that makes my argument any less valid. You've just shown that you lack the tools to engage in the discussion. IE: You're trying to diminish the topic without knowing the first thing about the game, because its existence counters the narrative you happen to like, and you can't just accept it.
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reinking
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I'm not sure I follow the response. I agree with your point that MS (and by extension XB) can compete. I'm not sure why you are telling me MS Flight Sim is part of the Xbox side. In your original post on the subject you called it out as MS software. I believe we all understand that MS games that release on Xbox would still be considered 1st party and part of Xbox.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Your answer makes it sound like it's a separate game from the rest of the Xbox production. It really isn't. It's an Xbox Game Studios game. Sorry if I misinterpreted.
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ChorizoPicozo
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the point is this my dude.
when redfall reviews come out, no single one is going to be like:
well, Redfall performance is not good, graphically is not setting the world on fire, and gameplay wise is serviceable BUT Miscrosft Flight Simulator is It's quite easily the highest-quality first-party title in the whole industry at the moment, and the one that receives the best ongoing support to boot. Nothing currently on the market compares.
John Wick
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Sony absolutely needed Bungie. The expertise alone for FPS and gaas was fundamental for them acquiring them. Also the size of the studio is massive 1000+.
Methos#1975
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MS Flight Sim looks good but it's about as fun as watching paint dry
Sanepar
Member
The world is on fire to play Flight Simulator. There is a rush for consoles for that.
It is exactly the kind of thing MS needs to capture plasyation audience worldwide. You are right.
RyanEvans21
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Microsoft charging $70 on their game too! Redfall is one of them.
Shadowstar39
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If the game is that good, then yes I believe it, although I think MS has been shit on pc with their ridiculous store. I'd love to try it out and even use it with the quest 2 pc mode, but Isn't it a windows store game? I had a bad experience with that, you can't see files and can't mod due to that, Forza 7, the last one I bought took 3 times to install as the store kept messing up and crashing. Instead of trying where it left off it would erase everything and take hours.
Also these games aren't playable on steamdeck due to the use of the windows store.
That being said. I am sure it has good support and is a good game. MS has had some good games before, or at least had teams with good games , but those days are long gone. (looking at you Age of empires 2, Freelancer, Black and White, Fable). They really need to do what they did for MSFS then to their other games. Make good ones and, ditch the windows store and I'll bite (on pc/steamdeck) .
Thirty7ven
Banned
What exactly did you say?
Unparalleled complexity
Very accessible
Visually spectacular
Enormous longevity
Does things no other game does
Entire platform worth of free and paid content
An hobby if its own
It's just a bunch of hyperbolic and empty statements. Platitudes?
Stop Sega isn't getting bought by Microsoft. They make money and one of the biggest Japanese companies. It would be a waste to buy them since most there games do better on PlayStation and Nintendo.
reinking
Gold Member
Here is where I got the MS from....
You are making it really difficult for me to agree with your opinion.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
You're dodging the topic. Why are we talking about Redfall again?
On the other hand, you said nothing at all of note. May want to try a bit harder because you're falling very short.
What exactly does this have to do with the quality of a game?
Chukhopops
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
It's also on Steam
Sanepar
Member
First of all is not a game. It is a sim. Second they need to create great games that worlwide audience wants to plays and they insist to not do. High quality pure single player games.You're dodging the topic. Why are we talking about Redfall again?
On the other hand, you said nothing at all of note. May want to try a bit harder because you're falling very short.
What exactly does this have to do with the quality of a game?
Third FS was not done by MS but by Asobo.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Microsoft flight simulator is not a substitute for every single disappointment Xbox has released for years now.
Methos#1975
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Here is the thing that people seemly gloss over but these sales need to be approved by the Japanese Parliament and two basic questions will be asked,would such a acquisition harm Japanese consumers and could it devalue the company being acquired and I don't think MS can answer any in a satisfactory fashion. Making titles exclusive to a platform near dead in Japan definitely harms Japanese consumers and that fact in itself would devalue any Japanese studio purchased by MS. I just cannot see the Japanese even entertaining a purchase by MS that would imply any likelyhood of any game skipping the PS5 or Switch.
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Simulation games have existed since the dawn of time. They're still games. Are racing sims not games? Train sims? The Sims?
Simulation is a genre of game, last time I checked.
That's completely unrelated to the topic and doesn't counter my argument.
It's a collaboration, exactly like Bloodborne. Asobo doesn't work on it on its own.
That doesn't disprove my argument in any shape or form. You're moving the goalposts.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
the goalpost was moved the moment you ignored Xbox's pathetic release schedule of AAA games.
if you have to use MSFS to try to prove a "point"...yikes.
Bergoglio
Member
What prevents Microsoft from completing these three acquisitions? And for what reasons would they fail?
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
"yikes" is something that's considered a valid point only on the purple forum. You'll have to try harder. I didn't "try" to prove a point. I've made a very specific point and no one has managed to counter it yet.
"Xbox's pathetic release schedule" (subjective) does not change the fact that Xbox is capable of releasing high-quality games. I haven't talked of numbers or frequency.
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ChorizoPicozo
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as subjective as this:
the issue is not about the capability of producing high-quality games. is the inconsistency of it.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Is it? That's your issue. Not mine.
I made a point, and you're trying to counter a different one for... reasons?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
not mine, not yours....Xbox'sIs it? That's your issue. Not mine.
I made a point, and you're trying to counter a different one for... reasons?
feynoob
Banned
Most played games aren't sp.
They are MP.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
I'm still not sure why you're trying to counter a point by addressing a different one?
Microsoft is capable of making high-quality games. The frequency may not be up ton everyone's standards, but this changes nothing of that point.
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feynoob
Banned
Finally someone gets Xbox main issue.
Quality is their least problem. You can't get quality games, if your output is inconsistent as shit.
If only Microsoft was as good at making games as they were trying to buy studios.
Not sure why anyone would be happy about Microsoft acquiring anything at this point. They've done nothing but prove that they're pathetically incompetent and all the money in the world can't get them good games. Last thing I want is for more devs to get consolidated into that shitstorm.
Not sure why anyone would be happy about Microsoft acquiring anything at this point. They've done nothing but prove that they're pathetically incompetent and all the money in the world can't get them good games. Last thing I want is for more devs to get consolidated into that shitstorm.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Finally someone gets Xbox main issue.
Quality is their least problem. You can't get quality games, if your output is inconsistent as shit.
Quality and consistency are completely separate issues.
You can definitely get quality games if you're inconsistent.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that point is conveniently oblivious to how this industry (especially when talking about a platform holder) works.
one game ain't enough.
feynoob
Banned
The issue is that inconsistent introduces a whole lot of trust issues, which hides their quality games.
People won't care about 1 or 2 quality games every 2-4 year. Because consoles have short life span. They need to see at least 2-3 quality games every 1-2 years. You only get that through consistent drops, aka dropping 3-6 games a year.
so far, Xbox has none of that.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
It's not just one game. Sea of Thieves is very high quality (albeit not up my personal alley, because I'm not into forced PvP). The Forza Horizon series is consistently good. Pentiment is fantastic. Hi-Fi Rush is not my genre, but it's highly praised, same for Psychonauts 2. And we're just talking about recent games.
You're confusing perception with fact.
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sachos
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What i don't get is how noone on the media seem to question them about that strategy. At least i haven't seen any major article.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
none of those games are, i quote:
MS needs more of
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
According to whom exactly? Hi-Fi Rush is in the top-10 on Metacritic for this year. The only first-party game that beats it is Metroid.
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Probably cause video game journalists get paid like shit so the more games they can get for their $20 a month the better.
I'd rather pay $200 a game than have a bunch of studios go to waste under the Microsoft umbrella.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Where is the Microsoft Flight Simulator of
each videogame genre?