Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
When someone prefaces their sentence/opinion with "I own all consoles therefore I am neutral" , 99.9% of the time, what follows after is going to be shit.
Jez Corden: Multiple aquisitions by microsoft xbox failed/stopped because of ABK
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When someone prefaces their sentence/opinion with "I own all consoles therefore I am neutral" , 99.9% of the time, what follows after is going to be shit.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
I'm talking now. They don't. The gap is ridiculously big that Sony can announce 80$ games and people will buy them because what other choice do you have? Microsoft failed miserably to provide quality first title that comes even close to Sony output. Yes this buyout will MAYBE bring the gap closer.
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Aressa
You can't die before your death
Believe what you will. I'm not a 20 something years old attached to a plastic box or care about a multibillion dollar corporations that I have 0 shares in. I care about what will benefit ME as a consumer which is competition. Go ahead and be happy your favorite company is selling you games at 70$. I'm not.
MasterCornholio
Member
If Sony announces 80$ games Microsoft will fight back with gamepass.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
I don't primarily play on PC or own a powerful PC. so I don't care about Steam. Nintendo operates in their own universe and you think I don't want a competition to Nintendo? The topic is not about that.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Thirty7ven
Banned
You mean 70$ games? Yeah what about third parties charging 70$? Or Nintendo?
Why do you need to pay 70$ for games again? Just wait for the sale.
Wait… let me check Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BT3DSGSQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Is that a 70$ game I see? Well that's kind of awkward.
Whatever man.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
I'm so sick of reading this bullshit. They are all selling video-games.
The content on xbox/playstation and switch are 90% similar.
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GHG
Member
Microsoft are now also doing $70 games without even bothering to improve the quality of their first party games.
Your angst is misplaced. If you want Xbox to compete better then you should request that at the very least they improve in the areas they have 100% control of.
Whatever the fuck xbox are currently doing, that's not competition. Them attempting to purchase the industry in order to compensate for their own incompetence isn't going to change that.
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You missed the part that said "similar to those in Xbox and PlayStation in terms of quality of gameplay and content".
There is no way they are doing that.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Question: if Microsoft wants to compete, why did they increase their game price to $70 to match Sony's price? Why not gain a competitive advantage by releasing great games at $10 cheaper price -- especially if they are so far behind?
Aressa
You can't die before your death
Which is ridiculous but initiated by Sony wasn't it? So here we are.
Tams
Member
GHG
Member
Wrong again.
"I'm neutral" my arse. All of your talking points originate from one place and one place only.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
I meant in the present time. Not as an aggressive wording.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Oh so that's how it works? Take Two was first then. And you hold a grudge because MS initiated pay for online?
I don't believe you but I wont argue anymore.
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IlGialloMondadori
Member
Fanboy losers.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Take2 was the first.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
Yes it was stupid and still is.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
I stand corrected then. 70$ shouldn't be adopted as they especially big publishers look at ways to bring development cost down instead of up.
This is why all parts involved cannot afford to waste an other 1-2 years in the appeal limbo with their hands tied and still low chances of a favourable outcome.
Activision needs to take business decisions about their games, they need to make contracts.
Microsoft has to execute on a plan B if they can't get Activision.
Activision needs to take business decisions about their games, they need to make contracts.
Microsoft has to execute on a plan B if they can't get Activision.
Ronin_7
Member
Activision actually trying very recently to negotiate new shit with Sony but Sony is no longer answering
PanzerCute
Member
Maybe because these guys have no will ti get bought?
Why would they want to become part of a huge global organisation?
Activision actually trying very recently to negotiate new shit with Sony but Sony is no longer answering
They can't negotiate anything with Sony until this mess is over hence why Sony was not answering. Kotick just wanted to probably convince them to sign the 10 years contract about COD reassuring them that he would have made sure that the deal wouldn't be used against them. Whatever Sony said could have been used as court material hence why Sony's legal team advised them not to reply.
They will talk again when the current acquisition proposal expires in July and they will decide to exit the deal because the conditions that led to the first acquisition proposal contract just aren't there anymore.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The only studios I think MS should have bought are crystal dynamics and asobo.
Methos#1975
Member
What would buying Activision realistically change in regards to MS being competitive that it couldn't of done the past 20 odd years to be competitive with Sony? I honestly want to know. I've owned every Xbox console since the LG and while I've loved them all, none of them have every been anything more than a supplemental console for me and that's on MS. They just haven't ever done enough to be more than a plus 1 console and make themselves a primary console.
The closest they got was with the early years of the XB360 when they actually seemed to care and they were able to capitalize on early mistakes Sony made. But once Sony started to turn things around, they seemly just tucked tail and never even tried to fight to keep their position and have been running ever sense from Sony. Which is why I think all of this is futile. Activision would change nothing for them and I honestly think they would just ruin them. MS has the tools to compete with Sony and always has.They just refuse to. The MS that brought us Rallisport, Crimson Skies, Lost Odyseey, Blue Dragon, PGR, etc is dead and buried and been replaced with a corpse.
The closest they got was with the early years of the XB360 when they actually seemed to care and they were able to capitalize on early mistakes Sony made. But once Sony started to turn things around, they seemly just tucked tail and never even tried to fight to keep their position and have been running ever sense from Sony. Which is why I think all of this is futile. Activision would change nothing for them and I honestly think they would just ruin them. MS has the tools to compete with Sony and always has.They just refuse to. The MS that brought us Rallisport, Crimson Skies, Lost Odyseey, Blue Dragon, PGR, etc is dead and buried and been replaced with a corpse.
MasterCornholio
Member
You didn't want ABK to go through?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Nope.
Well, I would have taken cod and diablo on gamepass but no...I don't like a purchase of that size.
So it's kind of like, of course I would love more games on my gamepass subscription but I would have preferred ms buying CD and asobo and then getting some great games out from their studios.
Klosshufvud
Banned
MS should've focused on buying more middle sized studios and investing in them instead of these fuck huge acquisitions. But it makes no difference in the end. Microsoft/Xbox management is so fucked up that no matter what they acquire, their games will end up in development hell and still release unfinished despite 2 years of extra delays. The problem isn't what studios MS is or isn't buying. The problem is within MS' corporate structure itself. MS trying to buy itself out of its own incompetence is a tale as old as time. It's well overdue to rethink that strategy.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I was talking more about platform sales, in that case the reason people cheer is 100% about fanboy posturing. Obviously you could say that a struggling platform seeing an uptick in sales would be worth celebrating, but it rarely is that. It's already successful platforms continuing dominance that most people get excited about.
Arguably, you could say that acquisitions fit your description just as well, the purchase guarantees further titles or even guarantees further support and resources.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
Jedi Survivor has performance issues on PC will Hellblade 2? It won't look better than Jedi Survivor? What are we basing that on?
Moving to Unreal 5 would have been a studio level decision. The question of being starved for games is best met at an upper level. If moving Hellblade 2 to Unreal 5 isn't going to significantly delay the game but allow it to breath significantly better, it was probably the right decision.
As I stated, Respawn is 4x larger than Ninja Theory, it's a poor direct comparison in terms of their capabilities. Most of the staff isn't working on a finished game live service or otherwise.
Recruitment to a single studio doesn't happen that easily either. You don't grow from 137 to 400 overnight and maintain quality and culture. Your general thesis is that they've been mismanaged because they haven't released a title since summer 2017, but we don't even know when Hellblade 2 went into production. We're assuming they went right into development with the sequel, but there could have been a project that was cancelled before then. Hellblade 2 wasn't even announced until 2019.
If Hellblade 2 ends up being a good game, it'll be difficult to agree with your assessment of mismanagement here. Nothing about this game screams mismanagement.
Having animators train in martial arts is a common way for them to better understand movements and motions. Also goes to company culture and a fun experience to bond teams together.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yet over the years here you went above and beyond to defend Ms at every occasion, neutral my ass, if you are biased just own it instead of this''I own every consoles therefore am neutral'', darkmage pulled that shit too and he is one of the biggest warrior here.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
From the big 3 MS is the most I despise dude. Defend? That's ridiculous. I just say my opinion. "Over the years"? I've been on this forum since 2011. MS is probably the most company I criticized over the years.
Barlow
Member
(Tam) Antoniades doesn't want to work in large teams, which is why the HB2 core team has only doubled in size from Hellblade and he wants NT to stay "small"
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
And yet I mostly find you making fun of Sony weird right ?Look at the next gen tech thread for example, iirc we used to have somewhat heated arguments where you thought that Sony management was incompetent especially compared to Ms and it is one example over a lot, but maybe you changed your mind since which would be welcome because I have to admit that I barely saw you the last couple of years.
And to be more precise I didn't call you an obnoxious fanboy just that you had a clear preference and then I own everything is generally used by warriors.
Because even though we had heated arguments it remained civil which is something I liked about you.
Edit:holy shit my phone keyboard refuses to type what it should, I apologize in advance for the typos will correct them in edit(s?).
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FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
I'm sorry but I disagree with the wording there. I don't particularly love it when Microsoft acquire studio's. And furthermore it just goes to prove the point that they are going to buy as much of this industry as possible. They don't really care about anyone else. The war chest is open and they're looking to buy. And to be clear I don't particularly think it's great for any major company to be on an acquisition spree.
I don't really like this trend of consolidation and I can see another crash if this continues. I don't buy the argument that these acquisitions are going to make the competition innovate more. You can't force this industry to adopt a subscription model and you can't innovate a fucking acquisition.
Imagine Burger King buying the major providers of beef and then trying to explain that it'll make McDonald's innovate a better menu.
You can see exactly why Sony want to see many of these blocked. Microsoft could literally buy the whole industry. Sony can't compete in many of these arenas. But they were exactly right in what they were saying weren't they? Sony's success is built in first and third parties. You take the third parties away, you become a bit more like... Well, Nintendo.
I don't really like this trend of consolidation and I can see another crash if this continues. I don't buy the argument that these acquisitions are going to make the competition innovate more. You can't force this industry to adopt a subscription model and you can't innovate a fucking acquisition.
Imagine Burger King buying the major providers of beef and then trying to explain that it'll make McDonald's innovate a better menu.
You can see exactly why Sony want to see many of these blocked. Microsoft could literally buy the whole industry. Sony can't compete in many of these arenas. But they were exactly right in what they were saying weren't they? Sony's success is built in first and third parties. You take the third parties away, you become a bit more like... Well, Nintendo.
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
It's funny as hell to see people arguing that Microsoft isn't capable of producing quality first-party titles in a world where Microsoft Flight Simulator exists.
It's quite easily the highest-quality first-party title in the whole industry at the moment, and the one that receives the best ongoing support to boot. Nothing currently on the market compares.
It's quite easily the highest-quality first-party title in the whole industry at the moment, and the one that receives the best ongoing support to boot. Nothing currently on the market compares.
XXL
Banned
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Why don't you try countering the argument?
People usually drop this kind of gif when they know they have nothing valid to say and they try to replace actual arguments with bad comedy.
Of course, that would require you having actually touched the game, which you probably didn't.
Come on. Let's see what you have that's actual words and not just an overused gif.
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XXL
Banned
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Chukhopops
Member
Check the post history, guy is literally 100% console war. Walking trash can.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Oh. I did forget to do that. You're not wrong.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
Yes I wasn't active but I've said worse things about MS with Xbox One DRM fiasco and i'm sure other things. I mean I post in DF threads with another one gifs more than the average GAF member.
XXL
Banned
Thirty7ven
Banned
I rest my case.
Does anyone else want to actually challenge the argument or we can just go on under the assumption that I'm right? I don't see many volunteers here capable to put actual words in line besides dropping gifs or meaningless reactions
How are you supposed to argue such an opinion?
Would it be any different if you named any other game? It's such a personal and extreme opinion.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I usually disregard another one gifs, I think it got old now.
