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[Salmon Snake]

Final Fantasy VII Remake showed the story up until the escape from Midgar, but what point does Final Fantasy VII Rebirth take us up to?

Nomura: We have mentioned this a few times before, but the order in which you can explore the locations is not the same as the original Final Fantasy VII, and there are some shifts in the order. For example, Wutai, one of the major locations, is not part of the route in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth and will be visited in the next one. Although there are some changes in the order of the locations, the locations depicted in this title extend up to "The Forgotten Capital," where the greatest fate of Final Fantasy VII awaits you.


I knew it would end THERE.

So it takes three blu rays to play one cd

Edit. FOUR blu rays.

 

[DragoonKain]

I don't mind the alternate reality version. I'm glad they're off the beaten path here. But hey, as someone else said, they can play the original and forget the remake series exists.

Everyone is entitled to care or not care about the changes as much as they want. I personally have disliked them so far, and if they go through with some of the changes I fear they might I think it would severely hurt the story. They've kept a bunch of things the same. Changing random things about the story while keeping other elements faithful reeks to me of the ego of the creators. Thinking they can take the original plot and make it better. We'll see, but in my experience, the more faithful the remake or adaptation of things, the better they usually turn out.

For me, I look forward to the FFVII remake trilogy to relive the original in an updated format. I get the "If you want to experience the original, just play that" argument, but I don't agree with it. The original is outdated. Can say that about any remake. They kept Dead Space faithful, RE4 faithful, RE2 faithful, etc. No one complained about it and they were super highly regarded.

Hopefully whatever they do, it works.

 

[pleaseinsertdisctwo]

Also I think they changed some of the CGI models to more closely match the in-game models

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

New CG Renders for Rebirth pleaseinsertdisctwo

Some good avatar potential in here!

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Good analysis here

 

[E-Cat]

It looks so colorful and yummy

 

[E-Cat]

I guess it's not generally considered a big moment but I hope they do the Mount Corel section justice, the train tracks, that music, etc. That hits the nostalgia hard in the OG

Hope they do the bird nest.

 

[E-Cat]

I have a feeling it might at least go to Cloud falling into the life stream

That's def way past midpoint.

 

[Doom85]

I mean in Rebirth we already gonna follow timeline where Zack is still alive if thats not "wild detour" I dont know what is.

To me it doesn't matter, I liked what they did with Remake so I'm all in with Rebirth.

Definitely not much of a wild detour so far given this trailer shows how Zack was considered dead by Cloud given they show Zack leaving Cloud with the news girl Kyrie and then he leaves for…somewhere until we see him in the new Intergrade ending. But even if he shows up later, that doesn't have to mean the story takes a massive change. Hell, in the original game, players could miss out teaming up with Yuffie and/or Vincent yet they would still reach the same conclusion of the story.

I think most of the wildest detours will happen in Part 3. Part 2 is where you'll start to see the timeline slowly deviate more and more in an obvious way. Part 1 did things in somewhat subtle ways to confuse the audience.

Spoiler

The fact that the end credit stinger at the end of part 1 was an alternate timeline existing though, already means that there is a wild deviation. Sephiroth being introduced way too soon in the main timeline, another deviation. There possibly being two Sephiroths(Future and Present) on the field, another deviation. Aeris now knowing of this future, new present, and alternate Zack timeline, another deviation. The hooded men and also the spirits trying to fix timeline errors, another deviation. Soon it will grow out of control and it is all the fault of the man who went back in time in the first place, Sephiroth.

The fight at the very end of the trilogy is going to be much, much more impactful, because this time around it will be for all of the stakes and not just for the planet itself. Who knows, maybe...

Spoiler

the timelines will converge and you will team up with alternate timeline Zack and alternate timeline Cloud as all 3 of you fight the final team of Sephiroths together trying to save the world and all of time and space

similar to Spiderman No Way Home.

See, this is where fans are making assumptions (I'm not spoiler tagging since I don't know why anyone would be in this thread if they didn't finish Remake):

There's no definite proof there are multiple existing timelines. One is only assuming that the timeline of the OG game even still exists and was not overwritten when Sephiroth did whatever he did. Also, the multiple deviations also may not matter in changing what is to come, often science fiction points out how some events can't be altered no matter how much one tries to change the events leading up to it. Yes, the ending of Remake showed how a few changes have occurred, but rather tellingly Biggs is left behind by Midgar and seemingly still recovering so it remains a big "maybe" if his survival would actually affect anything.

Also, don't really get the Aerith and Zack part. I only took that moment as Aerith feeling this was the spot where Zack was carrying Cloud towards to Midgar and not so much anything to do with a timeline change. Given what we know of Aerith's legacy from the original game, makes more sense to me she senses someone having passed by on a particular spot of land as opposed to her being able to sense something to do with time.

Personally, I think the final fight of Part 3 will involve Sephiroth finally just going mad nuts as all his efforts to change things are meaningless and he and the heroes still arrive in the same place for the final battle. All his hard work to avoid his fate (note his final words in Advent Children are "I will never be a memory") and yet he still finds himself in the same damn place staring down the same people. Dude will go into a dangerous mental meltdown and do everything he can to put the heroes down despite knowing in his heart he could never change the outcome. A fitting end for someone so overly confident in what they could accomplish.

 

[E-Cat]

nm

 

[YukiOnna]

Also I think they changed some of the CGI models to more closely match the in-game models

They definitely adjusted Aerith's face and Tifa looks more East Asian

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I think it's likely the reason for the greater disparity between Remake's CG model design Vs the in game models is because of the switch from CC2 leading to going in house. That's not an issue this time.

 

[March Climber]

See, this is where fans are making assumptions (I'm not spoiler tagging since I don't know why anyone would be in this thread if they didn't finish Remake):

There's no definite proof there are multiple existing timelines. One is only assuming that the timeline of the OG game even still exists and was not overwritten when Sephiroth did whatever he did. Also, the multiple deviations also may not matter in changing what is to come, often science fiction points out how some events can't be altered no matter how much one tries to change the events leading up to it. Yes, the ending of Remake showed how a few changes have occurred, but rather tellingly Biggs is left behind by Midgar and seemingly still recovering so it remains a big "maybe" if his survival would actually affect anything.

Also, don't really get the Aerith and Zack part. I only took that moment as Aerith feeling this was the spot where Zack was carrying Cloud towards to Midgar and not so much anything to do with a timeline change. Given what we know of Aerith's legacy from the original game, makes more sense to me she senses someone having passed by on a particular spot of land as opposed to her being able to sense something to do with time.

Personally, I think the final fight of Part 3 will involve Sephiroth finally just going mad nuts as all his efforts to change things are meaningless and he and the heroes still arrive in the same place for the final battle. All his hard work to avoid his fate (note his final words in Advent Children are "I will never be a memory") and yet he still finds himself in the same damn place staring down the same people. Dude will go into a dangerous mental meltdown and do everything he can to put the heroes down despite knowing in his heart he could never change the outcome. A fitting end for someone so overly confident in what they could accomplish.

The definite proof of the other timeline is the Zack timeline. The 'some events can't be altered' were actually altered, as Sephiroth was able to alter events already thwarting the time ghosts. You didn't have a big spectacle battle at the end of Disc 1 original with Sephiroth. You've already mentioned Biggs' change. This stuff can't just be handwaived away, as they're all butterfly effects. I didn't even touch on Yuffie/Intergrade's changes too...I just personally don't see the eventual in-game Zack arc not having any effect on the third chapter's main timeline, whenever it releases. That would be just as big of a waste as Laguna in FF8.

I don't know...I feel like your post is giving a lot of hope to those who are still clinging on to this want/need of the Remake being as close as possible to a 1:1 game as the original. I'm not saying I want things to go super crazy anime like Kingdom Hearts, but it's pretty clear that big changes are already being made and they're going to keep making more over time. Even if you still go on an adventure with the main crew across the same exact world, that doesn't mean that these changes don't matter at all.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I look at this game like a rom hack of the original. Yes, locations will be similar because they're already in the game(It's not like suddenly FF7 will take place in Spira or something), but the person who did the rom hack will be remixing situations and storylines enough to make a rather huge difference, narratively. For purists, that alone would simply be too much.

 

[YukiOnna]

I think it's likely the reason for the greater disparity between Remake's CG model design Vs the in game models is because of the switch from CC2 leading to going in house. That's not an issue this time.

That and they said they're using the same models so probably had time to adjust it.

 

[Doom85]

The definite proof of the other timeline is the Zack timeline. The 'some events can't be altered' were actually altered, as Sephiroth was able to alter events already thwarting the time ghosts. You didn't have a big spectacle battle at the end of Disc 1 original with Sephiroth. You've already mentioned Biggs' change. This stuff can't just be handwaived away, as they're all butterfly effects. I didn't even touch on Yuffie/Intergrade's changes too...I just personally don't see the eventual in-game Zack arc not having any effect on the third chapter's main timeline, whenever it releases. That would be just as big of a waste as Laguna in FF8.

I don't know...I feel like your post is giving a lot of hope to those who are still clinging on to this want/need of the Remake being as close as possible to a 1:1 game as the original. I'm not saying I want things to go super crazy anime like Kingdom Hearts, but it's pretty clear that big changes are already being made and they're going to keep making more over time. Even if you still go on an adventure with the main crew across the same exact world, that doesn't mean that these changes don't matter at all.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I look at this game like a rom hack of the original. Yes, locations will be similar because they're already in the game(It's not like suddenly FF7 will take place in Spira or something), but the person who did the rom hack will be remixing situations and storylines enough to make a rather huge difference, narratively. For purists, that alone would simply be too much.

The issue is Biggs' survival occurred BEFORE the fight against the Arbiters. Same with Zach. Mind you, we're going on what Sephiroth says about how the fate and such works, and this is guy is up there amongst the most notorious manipulators in the FF franchise. Taking what he says at face value may not be wise. It's especially noteworthy how fans pointed out that the Arbiters bore similarities to the trio of antagonists from Advent Children. That seems like an odd coincidence, and again Sephiroth is likely leaving out details, lying about some or most of it, or actually ignorant about some details.

My main issue is that the development team themselves have said these game won't deviate massively from the original. Yes, there will be changes, but unless they're flat out lying (which is possible, but I try not to assume that of people over things like this) I really think the more wild theories will not end up happening. At most, I think Nomura will prevent the most iconic moment of the original game from happening, and no more. That alone will spark controversy, I don't think he's intending to just twist the story to the point it only resembles the original in terms of cast and locations.

 

[Crayon]

I would have liked a 100% faithful retelling, but I like this concept, too. It's very meta. We are returning to a world and a story that is distant in our memory. I mean the first time, the best time, is a distant memory. And you can't go home again so I like the concept that "we don't belong here", as the players.

 

[Danjin44]

 

[Just_one]

Meh… the only real reaction from Max was the one that was not planned.. where the Remaster was announced. Hate this fak

Im sorry but this is fake as fuck. Either that or the guy has some real disability issue because he sounds like a retard

Hate fake reacts for likes

 

[March Climber]

My main issue is that the development team themselves have said these game won't deviate massively from the original. Yes, there will be changes, but unless they're flat out lying (which is possible, but I try not to assume that of people over things like this) I really think the more wild theories will not end up happening.

It seems like they are telling a lie of omission. To me 'the game won't deviate massively from the original' means that you will still go to the same locations around the same time as you did in the original. However, everything else?

 

[Doom85]

It seems like they are telling a lie of omission. To me 'the game won't deviate massively from the original' means that you will still go to the same locations around the same time as you did in the original. However, everything else?

Actually, I thought the opposite, that they meant the story and not so much the locations given that we now know the Wutai section will be pushed ahead later into the story (for Part 3).

Also, I can't find the source, but I remember hearing one of the other directors/producers wanted to go crazy with story differences, but Nomura convinced him to dial it back. That also makes me suspect the story won't go that nuts with differences. I think Nomura goes nuts with the story in Kingdom Hearts because the series is basically his baby whereas FF VII he'll tread a bit more carefully because he knows plenty of others than himself made the original a classic. So yes, there were will be differences, but I highly doubt some of the wild predictions will happen like Cloud will be replaced by his original self (not to mention that's just bad storytelling, the cast of this timeline would have no emotional connection to the lead) or die and be replaced by Zack (and here, only Aerith would have a bond with the lead). People can clown on Nomura's storytelling all they want, but the guy knows what works in a character line-up. Heck, in KH 1, Donald and Goofy briefly abandon Sora when Riku becomes the new Keyblade wielder, but don't take long in finding Sora again when they realize Sora is the one they care about most. Stuff like this makes me confident Nomura isn't going to off Cloud or something purely for a "gotcha!" moment.

 

[March Climber]

Meh… the only real reaction from Max was the one that was not planned.. where the Remaster was announced. Hate this fake shit.

Im sorry but this is fake as fuck. Either that or the guy has some real disability issue because he sounds like a retard

To entertain these posts, we're talking about a guy who is normally known for fighting game fandom, who has done the following for the new FF7 trilogy:

1) Multiple in-depth videos about the deep lore of FF7(the tiniest of details that even FF7 fans have forgotten about)
2) Multiple videos about his predictions and analyzation of the first game(Remake) and it's sequels
3) Goes over every single tweet, interview, and even translated japanese tweets and interviews in order to take in every single detail about the game
4) Has flown to Japan in order to meet the devs from these interviews to learn anything he can himself
5) Speaks of the leads in high reverence
6) Previously stayed up until odd hours of the night just for FF7 TGS news
7) Has had a genuine, cheesy grin of wonder from ear to ear while playing the remake when it came out, pointing out nearly every single little change in detail, looking at a lot of textures and background stuff closely in the game and analyzing them.

I honestly don't know what's left that he can literally do to prove that his reactions are most likely genuine kid-like excitement, aside from literally cosplaying as Cloud at a convention(which probably exists somewhere in picture form), showing off a tifa real-doll, and posting on message boards.

 

[Doom85]

To entertain these posts, we're talking about a guy who is normally known for fighting game fandom, who has done the following for the new FF7 trilogy:

1) Multiple in-depth videos about the deep lore of FF7(the tiniest of details that even FF7 fans have forgotten about)
2) Multiple videos about his predictions and analyzation of the first game(Remake) and it's sequels
3) Goes over every single tweet, interview, and even translated japanese tweets and interviews in order to take in every single detail about the game
4) Has flown to Japan in order to meet the devs from these interviews to learn anything he can himself
5) Speaks of the leads in high reverence
6) Previously stayed up until odd hours of the night just for FF7 TGS news
7) Has had a genuine, cheesy grin of wonder from ear to ear while playing the remake when it came out, pointing out nearly every single little change in detail, looking at a lot of textures and background stuff closely in the game and analyzing them.

I honestly don't know what's left that he can literally do to prove that his reactions are most likely genuine kid-like excitement, aside from literally cosplaying as Cloud at a convention(which probably exists somewhere in picture form), showing off a tifa real-doll, and posting on message boards.

Agreed. Max is a cool guy. Anyone hating on him is making baseless assumptions and knows nothing about the guy, or is just being edgy for edginess' sake.

 

[Danjin44]

I honestly don't know what's left that he can literally do to prove that his reactions are most likely genuine kid-like excitement, aside from literally cosplaying as Cloud at a convention(which probably exists somewhere in picture form), showing off a tifa real-doll, and posting on message boards.

Unfortunately these days in gaming social media and even in GAF we have too many people who are too jaded to believe people can actually genuinely be excited for games.

 

[Lethal01]

‘Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth’ will not carry over 'Remake' saves

"Each entry will be a standalone game in its own right"

www.nme.com

Uhhhhh I mean I kind of expected it but still...

Yeah it was obvious but still I was worried that they'd carry over saves, which would be a horrible decision.

 

[March Climber]

Yeah it was obvious but still I was worried that they'd carry over saves, which would be a horrible decision.

It sounds like they're doing save transfers still:

In spite of this, there are "special bonuses" for Remake players which sound like they will offer players an early game advantage, though Hamaguchi did not expand upon what they are.

Just with maybe an item or two that's useful for the beginning.

 

[Danjin44]

Just with maybe an item or two that's useful for the beginning.

Its not complete level and status transfer, I mean I dont think they would give us back 3 Götterdämmerung accessories we obtained from super bosses.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

It sounds like they're doing save transfers still:



Just with maybe an item or two that's useful for the beginning.

They provide Summon Materia for having Remake and Intermission saves. It's Leviathan and Ramuh. That at least is going on.

 

[YukiOnna]

Lol this was fun but his Nomura hounding was almost as annoying as some GAF users.

Almost. Held back my shill mode there.

 

[Lethal01]

Lol this was fun but his Nomura hounding was almost as annoying as some GAF users.

Almost. Held back my shill mode there.

Nomura is god and almost everything I've loved from square was thanks to him.
I bow before his name.

Fuck everyone who forced him to go from half zipper cyborgs to jack in FFO

 

[saintjules]

Im sorry but this is fake as fuck. Either that or the guy has some real disability issue because he sounds like a retard

Hate fake reacts for likes

Meh… the only real reaction from Max was the one that was not planned.. where the Remaster was announced. Hate this fake shit.

You guys must not know Max and his deep love for the FF series, specifically VII. It may look fake to you guys, but the way he goes in depth with his analysis of VII is better than most. He also explained how Nomura and his team would watch his reaction videos for inspiration and to raise their morale during the tough times of development.

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Already know this will be my GOTY frontrunner for 2024, can't wait, Final Fantasy for life

 

[Pejo]

 

[Danjin44]

You guys must not know Max and his deep love for the FF series, specifically VII. It may look fake to you guys, but the way he goes in depth with his analysis of VII is better than most. He also explained how Nomura and his team would watch his reaction videos for inspiration and to raise their morale during the tough times of development.

It just shows how jaded some people become, especially in GAF.

 

[JimmyRustler]

It just shows how jaded some people become, especially in GAF.

We just got jaded because 95% of the YT reaction videos ARE fake and just for clicks. So it's really hard to pick the real ones out of the trash. I do believe Max is excited but I still think it's everly theatric for the clicks. Come at me.

 

[Danjin44]

We just got jaded because 95% of the YT reaction videos ARE fake and just for clicks. So it's really hard to pick the real ones out of the trash. I do believe Max is excited but I still think it's everly theatric for the clicks. Come at me.

Here is my take, I think people on internet activity enjoy acting jaded because for them is more fun hating on everything.

 

[Andrew Evenstar]

Since it's only a 3 month delay, i'm gonna wait for PC, but damn this game looks so good. i am hyped. i don't hate the changes or like them. indifferent but hopefully they are interesting ! the synergy attacks look sick and vincent in just one scene look badass. the game ending at the forgotten capital tells me the 3rd and final edition is going to be huge AND they moved around or changed certain events.

PS max is awesome.

 

[The artful mincer]

You should know there's a much better version of the trailer on the PS store. Game looks incredible.

 

[Traxtech]

Meh… the only real reaction from Max was the one that was not planned.. where the Remaster was announced. Hate this fake shit.

You're kidding, right? I literally acted the same watching it live by myself and Max is extremely passionate about FF7

 

[JimmyRustler]

Here is my take, I think people on internet activity enjoy acting jaded because for them is more fun hating on everything.

I can assure you I am not part of that group mate.

 

[Brock2621]

popped back into this thread and somehow it's veered into fake reaction analysis of Max

 

[Lethal01]

We just got jaded because 95% of the YT reaction videos ARE fake and just for clicks. So it's really hard to pick the real ones out of the trash. I do believe Max is excited but I still think it's everly theatric for the clicks. Come at me.

Do I think he's literally so excited that he's incapable of keeping his mouth shut and not screaming? no
Do I think he's excited enough to geuinely wanna hoot and holler, for sure.

 

[Lethal01]

popped back into this thread and somehow it's veered into fake reaction analysis of Max

Because the game looks so good there's nothing left to say.
It's the one drawback on approaching prefection.

So to mix things up I shall mention that it's lighting is distractingly bad with lots of objects casting no shadows, especially apparently whenever there is grass.
I'm sure Danjin agrees.

 

[EruditeHobo]

Bet this game ends at staby staby. If you know you know.

Any chance they pull a fast one and have THE CHARACTER IN QUESTION have a different fate? Kind of feels like those are the kinds of twists we might be headed for.

It seems like they are telling a lie of omission. To me 'the game won't deviate massively from the original' means that you will still go to the same locations around the same time as you did in the original. However, everything else?

Couldn't agree more... to go through the first game and not understand what they seem to be going for is probably just wishful thinking. They are changing a lot. That should be clear immediately the way Sephiroth is introduced in the remake vs in the original.

What he's probably saying there is you'll see most of the locations you expect, you're going along the path of the familiar journey. But what happens on that path is -- has already been -- quite different this time around.

 

[saintjules]

Reddit - Dive into anything

reddit.com

 

[Fbh]

Won't get my hype too high though.

Square is unable to make more than 20 hours of good content while maintaining AAA production values. Everything from the trailer was from those 20 hours.
I just hope the other 20-30 hours aren't too bad.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

You should know there's a much better version of the trailer on the PS store. Game looks incredible.

Also here

 

[Mercador]

Is it the complete game now? Or there will be another part?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Also here

I've added it to the OP. Cheers!

Edit: And yeah, it does look crisp af.

 

[Minsc]

Won't get my hype too high though.

Square is unable to make more than 20 hours of good content while maintaining AAA production values. Everything from the trailer was from those 20 hours.
I just hope the other 20-30 hours aren't too bad.

They said in an interview the side quests are 2x a long as the main content. So just skip them? If they're saying it's ~100 hours, you have a 30 hour main quest and 60 hours of option minigame exploration. They've said the side quests are mostly comprised of exploration by exploring all the hard to reach sections of the map with unique chocobos that can fly/climb/etc and mini-games (there are more than the original, and they have harder difficulties). I have no clue exactly the number of hours of chocobo breeding you had to put in the original for the gold S+ one, but I'm pretty sure it was 20+ hours, so I don't think it'll be much different here.

But people loved that about the original, the game just opens up after Midgar and you're free to do whatever you want, spend 30 hours breeding chocobos or wandering around finding secrets or whatever. Or just beeline to Sephiroth.

Is it the complete game now? Or there will be another part?

It was confirmed quite a while back to be a trilogy, one more game.

Also here

The problem with this trailer is it runs at a lower framerate than the 1080p one. Looks better in stills, worse in motion.

 

[krumble]

And now square are using their "static arts" label for the top level edition, so a statue....
Personally I want a fully articulated wiz bang action figure and amazing ship/steed/boat/sidekick as the top level edition like the first part of the remake - that cloud, the bike and the game package was expensive but it was actually cheaper than buying separately surprisingly and I still LOVE it.
Seriously though "static arts" nope not happening, and 1000% not happening at £350