Baemono
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DigitalFoundry: Metal Gear Solid Delta - Xbox Series X|S Tech Review - X Faster Than PS5? Plus Patch 1.1.2 Tested!
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CrimsonTide
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Does the god damn caution alert never die?
I'm up here on a roof top chillin. It counts down and once it nears the end, it goes back to 99. No one can see my redneck ass on this hot ass rooftop dressed like a clown.
Y'all. Cmon now. What is this?
I'm up here on a roof top chillin. It counts down and once it nears the end, it goes back to 99. No one can see my redneck ass on this hot ass rooftop dressed like a clown.
Y'all. Cmon now. What is this?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yes, its running the same game underneath like most remakes. this is not a brand new remake like Silent Hill 2, RE2,RE3 and RE4. It's more akin to bluepoint remakes like SOTC and Demon Souls. And yes, that might make it more expensive. Especially on a single threaded engine like UE5. Pre UE5.4 anyway.
Virtuous only helped with this game. This was done by an internal konami team and their decision to skip the 30 fps version on the Pro. If virtuous had made that decision, they wouldve included a 30 fps mode like they did with the Oblivion Remastered on the Pro. Sometimes devs just make dumb decisions. Outlaws and a couple of others games back at launch also skipped a 60 fps option with forced PSSR on the Pro back at launch before doing a 180 and adding toggles.
This game runs fine on PC as long as you have a decent CPU and a GPU above a 9-10 tflops equivalent 4060. The game is definitely heavy but you can reduce some settings to high or medium and have a solid 60 fps experience. this is not the same as oblivion which was trash even on modern CPUs and GPUs. Or Stalker. this is more like Wukong or SH2. CPU bound in some rare scenarios but mostly very heavy on the GPU because they are pushing all the big UE5 features.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
wrong thread.
try asking here:
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After the end of World War II,
the world was split into two -- East and West.
This marked the beginning of the era called the Cold War.
GENERAL INFORMATION
Title: Metal...
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CrimsonTide
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You right.wrong thread.
try asking here:
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SPOILER WARNING
After the end of World War II,
the world was split into two -- East and West.
This marked the beginning of the era called the Cold War.
GENERAL INFORMATION
Title: Metal...
I'll say this. Game runs BUTTER smooth on my peasant PS5. Not counting frames. So can't say. But feels 60
Because in the past made some big mistakes.
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Radical_3d
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I'm not arguing with NeoGAF's Unreal Engine 5 #1 fan about this. Aside from a walking simulator I haven't seen a game that is a performer on that thing. And said walking simulator was 30 fps and blurry for a year and a half. It's a cancer.
Signed:
— NeoGAF's Unreal Engine 5 #1 hater.
Banisher of Dontnod runs quite well on ps5 pro to be fair. At least for a good chunk of the game, I'm not going to far off yet. Quite surprised to found so few traversal stutters and quite tolerable.
Banishers doesn't use plague "features" like lumen and nanite
Are you sure?Not Lumen GI highly probable but nanite I can't say.
I can't be 100% sure, but this is what the tech sites saying like dsogaming for example
Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden Benchmarks & PC Performance Analysis
Powered by Unreal Engine 5, it's time to benchmark Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden and examine its performance on the PC.
www.dsogaming.com
Game's performance also a strong sign that it's free of this garbage
What it's even the point to use UE5 if everything is disabled I don't get it.I can't be 100% sure, but this is what the tech sites saying like dsogaming for example
Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden Benchmarks & PC Performance Analysis
Powered by Unreal Engine 5, it's time to benchmark Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden and examine its performance on the PC.
Game's performance also a strong sign that it's free of this garbage
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Radical_3d
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A good engine wouldn't need a 16TF machine to run every game. It'd be good in a 10TF machine:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
A good engine wouldn't need a 16TF machine to run every game. It'd be good in a 10TF machine:
UE5's had games that perform well and games that don't. The engine is doing some forward looking rendering things on console hardware like Lumen RT and has clawed back as much as 40% CPU performance with code-base updates, it's a pretty good, versatile, engine all things considered.
Some devs just get over-ambitious with visual flair over performance.
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twilo99
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Why not AMD?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Raised blacks
Liopleurodon
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Nobody cares about AMD.
DanielG165
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Yep. I've played quite a few UE5 games that have and do run extremely well, both on PC and on console. It's ultimately a tool; whether it's used efficiently or not is down to the developer.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
While I do like to see his findings, a lot of his recommendations are targeted at his TV and doesn't translate for everyone and when it comes to the actual gaming part he doesn't know what his talking about.
Thanks for posting though
Bojji
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While I do like to see his findings, a lot of his recommendations are targeted at his TV and doesn't translate for everyone and when it comes to the actual gaming part he doesn't know what his talking about.
Thanks for posting though
I personally used -2 brightness way before his video. It lowers black level (still not 100% fix without lowering vrr black level in TV settings).
UE5 wasn't thinking to run to 60 fps on base console, to be fair. Yes it's improved a lot lately but most of the UE5 games not run at stable 60 fps on base consoles outside if they targeting mainly 60 fps. But they have a lot of important compromises.A good engine wouldn't need a 16TF machine to run every game. It'd be good in a 10TF machine:
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UltimaKilo
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This is the attitude I have, although I always wait a month after release of a game to get a good patch. Heck, outside of the memory leaks, I was fine with Oblivion remaster.Can't have fun. I'm told it's ass. No fun here. None. zero.
(Lies)
Nah. No joke. Smooth as butter feeling to me. Not counting frames here. Just messing around and enjoying it.
I'm genuinely unfamiliar with MGS3
Only really played MGS and MGS2 (MGS5 also)
But yeah. Kinda first for me on this one
These small issues should be behind us anyway. I can't see any new games release on these older versions of UE 5.
Radical_3d
Member
An engine that is not targeting 60 on consoles is what I call a bad engine. I think Epic started on this one generation too early and UE5 should be skipped in development until then.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nah, can't agree with this take at all, unfortunately. UE5 is good and only getting better.
Imagine SH2 remake running on Unity and shudder.
Neither UE3 or UE4 targeting 60 fps though. 60 fps on console it's started to be a thing just this generation.
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twilo99
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u wrong
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That means every engine this gen is a bad engine. Remedy's northlight, Massive's snowdrop, Capcom's RE-Engine, Square's FF16 engine, Bethesda's creation engine, all have drops below 60 fps in big cities or when action ramps up. Despite resolutions dropping all the way down to 720p.
Then you have the AC shadows Anvil engine that literally gets rid of RTGI in the 60 fps performance mode just to hit 60 fps. Like literally gives you a last gen version. CDPR did the same thing on consoles, no RT in performance mode in Cyberpunk. Dragon Age Veilguard as well. No RT. Last gen graphics to hit 60 fps. That leaves the ID tech and Machine Games engine that does hit 60 fps with RT but looks last gen as fuck. Or sony or nintendo first party games that look last gen as fuck but do hit 60 fps.
At least with UE5, you are getting nanite and lumen in the 60 fps modes.
Same. I noticed it was needed almost immediately when I played the game.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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They should still in theory be able to easily make those changes though right?
I have no hope because they are buffoons not already having them in the game at launch but my goodness, the decision making and mode implementation (or lack thereof) is what makes this port a disgrace, NOT the fact that they were ambitious with it.
I think people would be 10x more accepting of the situation if they had provided those modes. Gamers just have nuance in their arguments, just rolling with Youtuber fraud channels brain dead takes that "UE5 sucks and Konami sucks for using it" without getting specific about how the clowns didn't use the latest versipn of UE5 and didn't include basic modes on the Pro.
Whole thing made worse by the lying developers comnents during an almost YEAR long delay they could've spent fixing this port. The fact that no dev has gone back and updated any UE5 games on consoles to the newer version further aligns with what ive been saying all along, that consoles are treated like absolute shite by developers
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
well didnt the silent hill 2, jedi survivor and avatar/star wars outlaws devs go back and add PSSR and 30 fps toggles? So i guess these guys can as well but japanese studios are different. they dont get it. they dont spend as much time on forums or twitter. and japanese players dont give a shit about any of this technical stuff. regardless of how easy it is to remove pssr and replace with tsr, i dont think they will do it. maybe if virtuous is taking over post game development from the internal japanese studio, they might, but their track record with oblivion's post game updates is not that great.
What's funny is that a Taiwan based studio is making Silent Hill F and John played it at gamescom at a solid 60 fps and very good image quality on the Pro. Another UE5 game and way better performance even in the preview build. Taiwanese, korean and Chinese studios making more optimized games is hilarious to me considering konami has been making games for like the past 50 years.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I dont think there's more than two games that use the latest version ot UE5 on console to take advantage of the better CPU gains. We also never see these features back ported once they launch like PC players seem to get all the time. It's a big problem I see with the consoles. Maybe it wasbunderstandable when consoles were seen as a cheap alternative to PC but now we have expensive xbox consoles and $800 ps5 pro. Gamers need to start demanding this stuff from these devs or they will keep treating console as an afterthought. We pay the highest prices for games too the least these devs should do is strive for the same basic features. Same thing was happening when FSR3 replaced fsr2, all the PC games got it patched in but not console.
I really want people who are so vehemently anti-UE5 to find another engine that has as many people who know how to use it while producing the level of fidelity UE5 is capable of.
viveks86
Member
That's comforting to know. Been worried about the pro for that game. That one trailer captured at 60 on pro did look pretty damn good, with extremely minor shadow flickering. Perhaps they did not go with PSSR and just ran at a higher resolution. Or Sony came in to help them out (unlikely)
What level of fidelity? There is no a single ue5 game which show this mythical level of fidelity that is clearly above the competition
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Ellis
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UE5 and HDR don't mix. Very rare to find an exception. Most look like shit, and you're better off with SDR. That's on consoles. It's even worse trying to get decent HDR on Windows.
Zathalus
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The 9070 XT is the best bang for your buck GPU this gen. It takes a $1000 Nvidia GPU to significantly outperform it.
Radical_3d
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Truly the engine of this generation. It's more impactful a good HDR implementation than all the nanite shite, but some people here are decided to defend this crap.
Radical_3d
Member
You are equating RTGI as next gen and that is disingenuous. Base consoles can't do that other than at very low resolutions and their upscalers aren't IA based so IQ just sucks. RTGI is a mid gen or PS6 gen feature. The Pro can only make it look good because the upscaler isn't the FSR2 shite. Base consoles have plenty of good looking games that look better than anything that has UE5. Do they have RTGI? No, but IQ to see the quality of the assets and performance makes for it ten times. A couple of examples you made: doesn't 40fps AC Shadows have RTGI and virtualised geometry? And yep, DD2 sucks but every other implementation of the engine is best in class, even if they have last gen versions. By the way, DD2 tanks to 20fps in an open world. Snake Eater tanks to 20fps in a PS2 "I'm streaming from the slowest optical format", cubicle based, linear designed, 20 years CPU logic fucking remake. And throwing the creation engine here is desperate. It has never been good.That means every engine this gen is a bad engine. Remedy's northlight, Massive's snowdrop, Capcom's RE-Engine, Square's FF16 engine, Bethesda's creation engine, all have drops below 60 fps in big cities or when action ramps up. Despite resolutions dropping all the way down to 720p.
Then you have the AC shadows Anvil engine that literally gets rid of RTGI in the 60 fps performance mode just to hit 60 fps. Like literally gives you a last gen version. CDPR did the same thing on consoles, no RT in performance mode in Cyberpunk. Dragon Age Veilguard as well. No RT. Last gen graphics to hit 60 fps. That leaves the ID tech and Machine Games engine that does hit 60 fps with RT but looks last gen as fuck. Or sony or nintendo first party games that look last gen as fuck but do hit 60 fps.
At least with UE5, you are getting nanite and lumen in the 60 fps modes.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
There are several examples in there that are not using any kind of RTGI. Alan Wake 2, FF16 and Monster Hunter Wilds all used baked lighting and still have drops in their 60 fps modes.
And yes, the 40 fps modes in AC shadows have rtgi and virtualized geometry but that seems to be the max limit of these consoles. The issue is a consistent 60 fps. I think devs should focus instead of a locked 40 fps and forgo the 60 fps modes altogether. The AC shadows devs left out the RTGI from the 60 fps mode for this reason.
The problem is the console. I literally gave you six different engines that all have issues. I actually left out frostbite which drops to 548p in order to maintain 60 fps in dragon age veilguard and thats a last gen looking game. I dont think RTGI makes something look next gen. I literally said that indy and doom have RTGI and they look last gen. But Cyberpunk and AC shadows both need RTGI to look next gen.
I dont know what games you are playing on these consoles that look better than UE5 and run at a consistent 60 fps with all bells and whistles. The only ones i can think of are sony's cross gen looking games like DS2, Spiderman 2, GOW and HFW. you are not going to convince many that they look better than UE5 games.
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Radical_3d
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I know. That's why I avoid arguing with fans of the smear engine.
I'd take Battlefield 6 with all its last gen features over this.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nah you avoid it because you've been shown half a dozen different engines that all struggle to hit 60 fps and you just refuse to accept that the problem is with the consoles not being powerful enough.
Glad you've finally admitted that these consoles can only do 60 fps with last gen graphics.
Radical_3d
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Lmao wut
Ellis
Member
Of all the engines where HDR has been available, UE5 has been bad. That's consoles. PC HDR isn't great no matter what calibration I do.
dotnotbot
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Low framerate looked a lot better on CRT or plasma though, that's the big difference between now and then. Display techs we do have now no longer play well with framerates below ~40.
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