Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Kirk was a piece of shit but nobody deserves to be brutally murdered over their views. What a shitshow modern America has modeled itself into and its a problem with a lot of causes. And if theres one thing american electorate doesn't do its nuance or complexity.
 
What does this even mean? I got banned for speaking up against cancel culture, extremist PC and feminist BS here numerous times until I was permed. Anyone with an old account here (unless it got reinstated) saw how insane it got, saw the insane mods and decide to just keep quiet. I didnt. Banned for the same thing at Kotaku, REEE, and tons of others sites. Opened another account here when the moderation changed back to normal. One of the founding principles was being against cancel culture. Not zero moderation, but being against cancel culture and excessive and extreme politics on the right or left.

The next big forum purge was after Jan 6th. I was one of the only active political posters here on the left. Less than 10. It wasn't popular on here to criticize it but I did before it happened. Lots of people got permed for that day and like I brought up, people still can't even acknowledge an election but want to cry about being called fascists and make cancel culture lists about it. Its absurd.
It is becoming very clear to me that some of these people, specially the super hardcore ones, are mirrors of each other. They do the exact same thing that they criticize the other of when their "team" isn't in power. Everything has become so polarizing and people just love to draw lines, put labels, ignoring any sort of "middle" ground. There needs to be two sides and everyone has to pick one. It's non-sense. They are all becoming radical I feel like.
 
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This is not the way. I didnt like him but nobody deserves that. I hope his wife and daughter find peace and requiescat in pace Charlie Kirk.
 

He was totally reasonable? He's saying we don't know and lists all the things that were stated before being found to be bullshit, even Ben Shapiro has to admit that he isn't sure. Wanting the truth or as close to it as we can get isn't wrong. If it takes a week to confirm with a decent degree of accuracy that he was radicalized by antifi or whatever - what does that cost us, versus being wrong?

Because currently we don't have the evidence. It will come, even as I was writing this information is coming from his family saying he had gone far left.
 
"They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had," Cox, a Republican, said at a news briefing Friday.

This is the confirmed line per sheriff and FBI reporting. The problem is I've seen this line twisted many times. The right has added that in this conversation he expressed left wing ideology. The left is running this line by adding that "he didn't like his views because they weren't far enough". Neither I can find a source for explicitly saying, just currently fake additions to this legitimate quote depending which side of the political spectrum you're on.
 
By the looks of it, he used to be a good kid, until got indoctrinated by the woke liberal ideology while in university.
That's what the educational institution are doing, transforming normal people ionto brainwashed, evil and deranged citizens .
 
"Women taking things personally" doesn't have any bearing on whether important issues should be debated in the open.

And that unfortunately doesn't change the fact that some people will take things personally. We all take risk in life, and some things shouldnt inherently be a risk at all, but they are, and it would be naive to think we live in utopia.
 
Unfortunately it's too little too late for the UK and most of Europe.
There are certain things happening and I'll give it till 2028, if nothing at all changes, I'll have to agree, sadly.

The only true thing I'm hoping is my lad does well and has an option to get out if need be and/or it comes to it.
 

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It is becoming very clear to me that some of these people, specially the super hardcore ones, are mirrors of each other. They do the exact same thing that they criticize the other of when their "team" isn't in power. Everything has become so polarizing and people just love to draw lines, put labels, ignoring any sort of "middle" ground. There needs to be two sides and everyone has to pick one. It's non-sense. They are all becoming radical I feel like.

Don't be an extreme on either side. That's the lesson. Extreme ideologies from any point of view are disruptive and dangerous.

Some of us just want to live peacefully and be able to afford shit.
 
There are certain things happening and I'll give it till 2028, if nothing at all changes, I'll have to agree, sadly.

The only true thing I'm hoping is my lad does well and has an option to get out if need be and/or it comes to it.
Don't hold any hopes, Farage is not the guy by any stretch of the imagination.

If you're a young European you must have an exit plan. I'm in my thirties and my plan is very much underway.
 
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Transpeople are just brainwashed folks. At this point they are basically a militant wing of a left wing ideology.
I am not going to hold an opinion on someones choices. I know transpeople too and they aren't pining for gun violence, so what gives? Just because you don't see or find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I get the why though: The news coverage is so omnipresent its not easy to remain static. So i get it. It doesn't really change the outcome that people are killed over disagreements. That when you can't argue it with words, one uses force to get the point across. That's wrong.
 
At this point we, as society, need to move past the incendiary and blame culture discussions and acknowledge we have a huge problem here that we've created, and no answers for it. After these incidents occur we usually get a little tornado that kicks up shit, decimates people's lives and then we wait for the next one.

Social media was never meant to be used in the way it evolved. It grew arms and legs and was shaped by money and manipulative influence. Other platforms have now come to the forefront and a lot of this extremism is happening in a purgatory between the Internet and the hellscape of the dark web.

The only thing that has changed is the people. Years ago there was usenet and also irc, icq etc. You got the equivalent of the horsemen from X-Files, horny loners and just geeks. These modern platforms and social media have provided places where large numbers of misguided, vulnerable and suggestible people can coalesce within communities that spiral and become pits of concentrated toxicity and extremism. They are now being weaponised by religion, politics and sexuality extremists.

Even now, it's a shot of dopamine and schadenfreude for everyone when we see some of these terrible people losing their jobs (and vice versa I imagine). I'm not 100% convinced that these really unhinged people with more free time to be on the internet is a good thing. I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences for this type of shit, but it's a short term solution that only provides good optics for the business.

Youngsters also should not be getting their formative political opinions from twitch, tiktok or x. And no this isn't a boomer thing, it's a common sense thing and an appreciation of how anything - even the most well meaning of media - can be twisted with literal logic holes and disingenuous metaphors/analogies.

It it not hard for platforms to have standards, look at TED for example. Far more valuable insight and thought provoking content even if you don't buy into the core ideas. At this point we really need to start making steps away from this chasm we're looking into. Because each time shit happens, more people dig their trench deeper and further and more people tumble in. We are really approaching the point of no return with this stuff.
Well said. Also never going to happen. They make too much money doing what they do, and have too much influence on politicians. We couldn't even get rid of Tik Tok for example, a Chinese weapon used against us.
 
It's hard to process MAGA on MAGA crime - but one needs to ask, what must be going on inside these households to make this guy and the Trump one turn to the extreme within a few years? They say he turned to politics recently, are they being honest in that many of the previous dinners weren't already political but just aligned with their views? Were they nurturing and supportive or provided purpose/activities so their son didn't have to be perpetually online - I assumed Mormon families are big on this but guess not here.

Can't only take 1-2 years perpetually online and ignore the rest of the upbringing picture.
 
It's hard to process MAGA on MAGA crime - but one needs to ask, what must be going on inside these households to make this guy and the Trump one turn to the extreme within a few years? They say he turned to politics recently, are they being honest in that many of the previous dinners weren't already political but just aligned with their views? Were they nurturing and supportive or provided purpose/activities so their son didn't have to be perpetually online - I assumed Mormon families are big on this but guess not here.

Can't only take 1-2 years perpetually online and ignore the rest of the upbringing picture.
It's not uncommon to see hard breakaways to opposite extremes in Mormon families, where someone leaves the faith upon adulthood when they have more exposure to the world and independence.
 
It's hard to process MAGA on MAGA crime - but one needs to ask, what must be going on inside these households to make this guy and the Trump one turn to the extreme within a few years? They say he turned to politics recently, are they being honest in that many of the previous dinners weren't already political but just aligned with their views? Were they nurturing and supportive or provided purpose/activities so their son didn't have to be perpetually online - I assumed Mormon families are big on this but guess not here.

Can't only take 1-2 years perpetually online and ignore the rest of the upbringing picture.
Nothing special about that household. Like everyone they live in a climate where politics has to be on the agenda at all times and most of the media coverage and language used to talk about it deliberately plays on fear and rage because it is the only way they can get people out to vote.
 
My roomie, who I really love, is cheering Charlie Kirk's death and mocking his wife while she's crying.

I didn't like Charlie Kirk either but it's very disturbing.
Yes.
Mentally ill people fed fantasies and delusions in a hug box echo chamber while gassed up on cross sex hormones are unstable and sometimes dangerous.
 
In this country you can speak freely, but understand there is always the danger that a lunatic will show up with a gun to kill you. MSM and academia have been antagonizing the right and left to fight each other for decades with this bullshit two party system. I don't want to get political, but they should build an island far away from here and put them on it, let them fight with themselves, and leave normal people to live in peace. I always knew it was bad, but its been eye opening these past couple of months. It's not just about those celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, it's the whole bandwagon mentality behind it. It's rotten, and like I said earlier, those two main reasons above are what drive it most.
 
It's hard to process MAGA on MAGA crime - but one needs to ask, what must be going on inside these households to make this guy and the Trump one turn to the extreme within a few years? They say he turned to politics recently, are they being honest in that many of the previous dinners weren't already political but just aligned with their views? Were they nurturing and supportive or provided purpose/activities so their son didn't have to be perpetually online - I assumed Mormon families are big on this but guess not here.

Can't only take 1-2 years perpetually online and ignore the rest of the upbringing picture.
I doubt it was anything that happened inside the household. It's not always the parents fault when their kids turn out to be retards.

This kid was a terminally online Reddit punk. Echo chamber cesspools like Reddit drown out any reasonable discussion with propaganda all day every day. Thats where he became a radical.
 
She's a reporter so this isn't without merit. It's blowing up fast so her reputation is on the line if she gets it wrong.
 
And there it is. Re on watch.
Surely when this turns out to be fake, you will reverse course when it comes to attributing violence to trans people and you will start being more discerning about where you get your information--Because who wants to be misinformed or deluded, right?

Edit: even if it turns out to be true, it's pretty reckless to report that kind of shit in this climate with 0 sources
 
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