Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Dr.Morris79 said:
I saw this on that post..



That was pretty spot on 🧐

There is no other argument.
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Except this wasn't what Kimmel said, so it's a fallacy. Ignore what the guy actually said and present a twisted, exaggerated, hyperbolic version so you can cartoonishly defeat it.

I didn't watch Kimmel, so that doesn't personally affect me (and I'm not boycotting anything over him), but the whole scenario is getting rather ugly.

Then again, someone on Fox News making that specific argument is incredibly hypocritical, given all the lies both he and other hosts have spread over the years.

In fact, Fox has had to pay settlements for lying about Dominion and the 2020 elections, etc. in the past. They are not exactly arbiters of truth, respectful or factual coverage.

More worryingly, this wasn't a private company making decisions based on audience reaction. The Trump-appointed FCC chair threatened them, publicly, with doing this the "easy way" or the "hard way".

I suppose the whole "mob boss" motif is rather blatant yet appropriate for this particular administration. I'd be tempted to call the writer a hack if this were a work of fiction rather than reality.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
Man I don't know how I feel about Kimmel getting canceled.

He lied, or at least strongly implied a false motive/background for the assassin.

But

Is this really grounds for the FCC to start making threats and demands?

But

His show had shit ratings and probably would've been canceled anyway

But

Sinclair also has strong motive to get on the FCC's good side because they need approval for a merger



I'm conflicted. Not sad to see Kimmel's shitty show go bye-bye, but many are going to interpret this as politically motivated government censorship + conflict of interest. And I can easily see this being used as justification for a left-leaning FCC doing the same thing in the future.
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Yeah, it's easy to get some schadenfreude about all of this, but I generally believe people should be allowed to say what they want, even if it's dumb. People abandoning their principles the minute the shoe is on the other foot is a large part of WHY we're in this mess in the first place.

As a lifetime liberal, I've been saying for a decade now that we need to stop kowtowing to the far left because they make us look like clowns. Part of me is very happy to see them finally get a taste of their own medicine after a decade of their bullshit. But I also don't want to do this same song and dance for another ten years, but this time with the right leading the charge.

I wish people would chill out, learn to accept their differences, learn to gracefully accept mistakes, and learn to talk to each other. I wish we could stop painting each other as black and white caricatures to be defined and discarded by our worst moments. I suspect this isn't a left vs. right problem so much as a human problem being accelerated by social media.

Will the shitstorm that started in this past week ultimately help us get to a good place? I hope so. I don't know.
 
Madonis said:
Except this wasn't what Kimmel said, so it's a fallacy. Ignore what the guy actually said and present a twisted, exaggerated, hyperbolic version so you can cartoonishly defeat it.

I didn't watch Kimmel, so that doesn't personally affect me (and I'm not boycotting anything over him), but the whole scenario is getting rather ugly.

Then again, someone on Fox News making that specific argument is incredibly hypocritical, given all the lies both he and other hosts have spread over the years.

In fact, Fox has had to pay settlements for lying about Dominion and the 2020 elections, etc. in the past. They are not exactly arbiters of truth, respectful or factual coverage.

More worryingly, this wasn't a private company making decisions based on audience reaction. The Trump-appointed FCC chair threatened them, publicly, with doing this the "easy way" or the "hard way".
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All corporate news is the same and if you think one is better than the other then you're fooling yourself.

Fox had to pay because they were being targeted by those in power, not due to truth or fallacy of their claims. Pretty sad that all corporate news isn't sued constantly because they all don't have factual coverage.
 
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Kotaro said:
It's democrats/left-wing strategy or narrative to say that the shooter is apolitical or MAGA, pushed by mainstream media, just like what Jimmy Kimmel tried to do in his standup that got him canned

The rest of the world know it's the fucked up left-wing trans ideology that radicalized the killer
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It's republicans/right-wing strategy or narrative to say a shooter is radical leftist pushed by the mainstream media, just like what "name right-wing personality/talking head after given their marching orders" says.

The rest of the world know it's the fucked up right-wing ideology that radicalizes killers.
 
TylerD said:
It's republicans/right-wing strategy or narrative to say a shooter is radical leftist pushed by the mainstream media, just like what "name right-wing personality/talking head after given their marching orders" says.

The rest of the world know it's the fucked up right-wing ideology that radicalizes killers.
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Unknown? said:
All corporate news is the same and if you think one is better than the other then you're fooling yourself.

Fox had to pay because they were being targeted by those in power, not due to truth or fallacy of their claims. Pretty sad that all corporate news isn't sued constantly because they all don't have factual coverage.
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They're not better, in the grand scheme of things, but Fox in particular is in no position to assume the higher moral ground here.

No, Fox agreed to pay Dominion a huge amount of money because they were going to get fucking screwed during the trial.

The November 2020 email from an anguished Fox News news producer to colleagues sent up a flare amid a fusillade of false claims.

The producer warned: Fox cannot let host Jeanine Pirro back on the air. She is pulling conspiracy theories from dark corners of the Web to justify then-President Donald Trump's lies that the election had been stolen from him. The existence of the email, confirmed by two people with direct knowledge of it, is first publicly disclosed by NPR in this story. Fox News declined comment.
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NPR

Among the the hundreds of pages of previously unreleased documents include repeated statements from Fox Corporation chairman Rupert Murdoch rejecting conspiracy theories about Dominion that his own network promoted after the 2020 election. And Internal Fox News emails and messages — also made public Tuesday — further show how Fox News' staff privately dismissed some of the election conspiracies that were promoted on-air.
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In short, many of the people working at Fox knew the conspiracy theories were bullshit. That didn't stop several of them (and others) from continuing to promote such lies.
 
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Unknown? said:
Fox had to pay because they were being targeted by those in power
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All I needed to hear dude. You're out to sea.

Imagine constantly undermining the integrity of elections with lies disproven in court dozens of times; which pretty directly led to a violent assault on the capital and permanent damage to our institutions and a widespread adoption of fascist beliefs and the FCC still not deeming you a threat to the public good, and you say they were "targeted by those in power."

Bananas. Post-reality.
 
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Not sure what I feel about Kimmel getting cancelled over this.

I think he's the antidote for funny, and an obvious shill, but imagine having to unite your cause around him......
 
Punished Miku said:
All I needed to hear dude. You're out to sea.
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Lmao. No. I don't know what they said specifically but I do know anything that went against the Biden administration narrative was targeted. Remember the ministry of truth they wanted to create?

Basically anything in corporate media from 2020 to now has been lies. Started way before 2020 but now they are just blatant and not trying to hide it.
 
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Klosshufvud said:
This thread is ridiculous. 100 pages repeating the same right-wing grifter bullshit that is already tearing so many decent countries and communities apart. There was no left wing conspiracy to get Kirk killed. Sometimes there's not much more to reality than a man who got rich off being a provocateur pissing off one person too much in the end. For a forum that's supposed to be free of politics talk, there sure is a lot of leniency whenever a right-wing shitstorm thread pops up. This forum is a joke.
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Change his name into kluelessFUD when he return from this forced vacation.
 
Dude. Who fucking cares about this guys political leanings. He murdered someone. That's it, full stop.

The fact that the primary discourse surrounding this event is "what political party is to blame" is greatly concerning to me. Like what about mental health, gun laws, etc.

Political ideology is not everything to a man. And no one is educated to the level they need to be in order to hold such strong opinions. Like if you want to have discourse about the nuance and complexity of geopolitics and considering things like accelerationists, fascists, liberals, conservatives, Marxists , Anarchists, blah, blah - I'd expect it from someone whose dedicated themselves to a life of understanding those things. An expert. Like a geopolitical scientist. Not some one who wants to "get involved" so they educate themselves over the course of a couple hours by way of a ChatGpt summary.
 
Apparently, Jimmy Kimmel is absolutely livid over the suspension. People working with him have never seen him this angry.
 
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Ishma3L said:
Dude. Who fucking cares about this guys political leanings. He murdered someone. That's it, full stop.

The fact that the primary discourse surrounding this event is "what political party is to blame" is greatly concerning to me. Like what about mental health, gun laws, etc.

Political ideology is not everything to a man. And no one is educated to the level they need to be in order to hold such strong opinions. Like if you want to have discourse about the nuance and complexity of geopolitics and considering things like accelerationists, fascists, liberals, conservatives, Marxists , Anarchists, blah, blah - I'd expect it from someone whose dedicated themselves to a life of understanding those things. An expert. Like a geopolitical scientist. Not some one who wants to "get involved" so they educate themselves over the course of a couple hours by way of a ChatGpt summary.
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It's nice to think this way, but the president of the United States immediately blamed it on the left before the suspect was caught. This is why there is such a focus on his political ideology.
 
Unknown? said:
Lmao. No. I don't know what they said specifically but I do know anything that went against the Biden administration narrative was targeted. Remember the ministry of truth they wanted to create?

Basically anything in corporate media from 2020 to now has been lies. Started way before 2020 but now they are just blatant and not trying to hide it.
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Speaking of which, hilarious story. The former head of that ministry of truth, Nina Jankowicz recently lost her defamation lawsuit against Fox News. Her response was just as funny as it was predictable.
 
violence said:
Apparently, Jimmy Kimmel is absolutely livid over the suspension. People working with them have never seen him this angry.
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I heard he is so mad that he told his girl's boyfriend that he is actually going to fuck her. Shit is popping off in America right now.
 
Considering what's going on with how stupid the left looked and things changed fast in a week with employee firings, Trump chiming in, Kimmel canned etc... Just sit back and watch the fireworks.

Dont do anything dumb yourself to get yourself in trouble. Just let companies, gov and social media weirdos do their thing and let it settle on its own. The crazy left are a combative bunch, so it's not like they are the type to ever let up (you could already see with with the Sucker Punch girl who did one last post going down in a blaze of glory.... "I'd do it 100x again". So that will just mean more counter-doxxing to get people fired. The same thing the left did to people for a decade. Shoe on other foot. So got to be a man and take it.

And the more people fired, the more it shows everyone how crazy the world is, especially when a lot of them are in very popular sectors like health and education or entertainment.

And the more people see this, the more people will vote right as moderates will trend more to the right to get away from the left. And the funny thing is, the lefty crazies are really just a small group who are loud. But what solidifies the blanket stereotype of liberals being crazy as a whole is their political leaders all support those same kind of views. So put 2 and 2 together and you might as well lump them all in together if even leadership roles think the same.

Just sit back and let the dust settle. And be amazed at what happens. It's only been a bout a week, since the event occurred. It's not like any fallout is going to stop today or tomorrow. Jimmy Kimmel toast is not going to be the last event. There will be more major consequences, as well as crazy individuals being fired and crying on social media.
 
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the Kimmel thing was obviously a case of "interest convergence" -- meaning, the network etc must have already disliked his ratings (late night shows like this are pretty dead in terms of viewers now, as I recall) and wanted an excuse to axe him anyway, and having a political firestorm for a low-value show was an opportunity to make the cut
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Considering what's going on with how stupid the left looked and things changed fast in a week with employee firings, Trump chiming in, Kimmel canned etc... Just sit back and watch the fireworks.

Dont do anything dumb yourself to get yourself in trouble. Just let companies, gov and social media weirdos do their thing and let it settle on its own. The crazy left are a combative bunch, so it's not like they are the type to ever let up (you could already see with with the Sucker Punch girl who did one last post going down in a blaze of glory.... "I'd do it 100x again". So that will just mean more counter-doxxing to get people fired. The same thing the left did to people for a decade. Shoe on other foot. So got to be a man and take it.

And the more people fired, the more it shows everyone how crazy the world is, especially when a lot of them are in very popular sectors like health and education or entertainment.

And the more people see this, the more people will vote right as moderates will trend more to the right to get away from the left. And the funny thing is, the lefty crazies are really just a small group who are loud. But solidifies the blanket stereotype of liberals being crazy as a whole is their political leaders all support those same kind of views. So put 2 and 2 together and you might as well lump them all in together if even leadership roles think the same.

Just sit back and let the dust settle. And be amazed at what happens. It's only been a bout a week, since the event occurred. It's not like any fallout is going to stop today or tomorrow. Jimmy Kimmel toast is not going to be the last event. There will be more major consequences, as well as crazy individuals being fired and crying on social media.
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I think you are probably delusional if you think Trump overstepping like this and bullying people to lose their jobs over jokes is going to make democrats more moderate. All it really takes is for someone to look at what Kimmel said, let at least one brain cell do some work, and realize that actually he didn't celebrate Charlie Kirk's death at all. And that he was cancelled for no real reason.
 
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Punished Miku said:
All I needed to hear dude. You're out to sea.

Imagine constantly undermining the integrity of elections with lies disproven in court dozens of times; which pretty directly led to a violent assault on the capital and permanent damage to our institutions and a widespread adoption of fascist beliefs and the FCC still not deeming you a threat to the public good, and you say they were "targeted by those in power."

Bananas. Post-reality.
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I'm not saying I am for this fcc thing but you're out to sea. I SEA(see what I did there?) that you don't do your own research and only believe what you see on TV.

I do know anything that went against the Biden administration narrative was targeted. Remember the ministry of truth they wanted to create? They used their media cohorts to control the narrative and that's true fascism, not the false way you use it.
 
Unknown? said:
I'm not saying I am for this fcc thing but you're out to sea. I SEA(see what I did there?) that you don't do your own research and only believe what you see on TV.

I do know anything that went against the Biden administration narrative was targeted. Remember the ministry of truth they wanted to create? They used their media cohorts to control the narrative and that's true fascism, not the false way you use it.
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Do you realize how insane it is to hold imaginary things that never happened at the same level of things that are actually currently happening.
 
YCoCg said:


Candace Owens looking for another grift
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This might be true if the shooter was killed being captured. But he's alive (for now). Unless he's about to be meet his Jack Ruby, I don't see how a conspiracy would hold up with a live patsy. At least with the (first) Trump shooting there is no story because he's dead. Second guy has been memory holed.
 
DrFigs said:
I think you are probably delusional if you think Trump overstepping like this and bullying people to lose their jobs over jokes is going to make democrats more moderate. All it really takes is for someone to look at what Kimmel said, let at least one brain cell do some work, and realize that actually he didn't celebrate Charlie Kirk's death at all. And that he was cancelled for no real reason.
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The real reason he was cancelled has to be his ratings, and Disney didn't have the balls to do it for that. His ratings were worse than Colbert's. Disney saw an opening, and they took it. Hands are clean. That is my opinion. I think it sets a very bad precedent, but again, I believe in free speech and also believe that what you say may have consequences. These dumb asses might want to read the room better. Instead of trying to gain points with your tribe, use common sense and let things simmer down a bit.
 
falconhoof said:


Super impressed by this speech from the kids. Someone already said it on here but I'm going to echo. I didn't know fuck all about the politics of my teachers in school, we did our school work and debated about the topics of the class. If any kids raised something of a political nature a teacher might ask them to explain their position.
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I had a teacher in 7th grade that taught American History/Civics etc. and we all knew she was a left leaning democrat. And it had no bearing on how she taught and she was one of the best teacher's I ever had in my life, all the way through university. We went over each article of the constitution and the amendments, studied them, learned about their practical implications and how it all intertwined with the formation and development of the nation. I can still picture her with her first raised in the air reciting Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty or give me death!" speech. Just an amazing teacher, and like I said, totally fair given her known stances. I honestly wish I could tell her now how great she was.

I wonder how many teachers like that are out there now.
 
DrFigs said:
I think you are probably delusional if you think Trump overstepping like this and bullying people to lose their jobs over jokes is going to make democrats more moderate. All it really takes is for someone to look at what Kimmel said, let at least one brain cell do some work, and realize that actually he didn't celebrate Charlie Kirk's death at all. And that he was cancelled for no real reason.
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How you took my post and only focused on Kimmel is a mystery, but so be it.

As a whole, the crazy left getting fired and cancelled back is good. In life, when you do something bad and it leads to consequences, the normal thing to do is dont do it again. Work, home, school, if you make a bad mistake and get punished most people should learn and dont do it again. It comes down to if the crazy left can learn from mistakes or not.

Something has to be done. And it took a combo of 2024, 2025 and Kirk event to finally turn the tide. You cant sit back and let crazy lefties take over by doing nothing. It's not like they are going to change. In fact it got worse because a guy got shot on stage and a certain set of people and celebs loved it. That kind of attitude doesnt fix by itself. A major penalty is losing your job if a company hates it that much. If that doesnt fix someone's attitude nothing will.
 
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Boo Who? said:
The real reason he was cancelled has to be his ratings, and Disney didn't have the balls to do it for that. His ratings were worse than Colbert's. Disney saw an opening, and they took it. Hands are clean. That is my opinion. I think it sets a very bad precedent, but again, I believe in free speech and also believe that what you say may have consequences. These dumb asses might want to read the room better. Instead of trying to gain points with your tribe, use common sense and let things simmer down a bit.
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I agree some people went too far. And his ratings may have been bad, but this is not a serious point to consider. Presumably, he would've continued to be on T.V. this week and the next, if the Trump administration didn't put pressure on the network.

And also, it needs to be stressed that Kimmel did not say anything hateful about Kirk at all. And he wasn't celebrating the guy's death. I think the idea that we should censor our speech so we don't offend Charlie Kirk fans is outrageous, but he actually didn't insult Charlie Kirk at all.
 
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DrFigs said:
It's nice to think this way, but the president of the United States immediately blamed it on the left before the suspect was caught. This is why there is such a focus on his political ideology.
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I don't care what the President did. He's an idiot.
 
Listen to this cock womble flounder like a turd out the toilet once challenged on his anti Charlie tirade



Never thought i'd see that from ITV.

Maybe the tide is actually turning :unsure:

Just wish it wasnt Charlie dying that gave these turds a wake up call.
 
DrFigs said:
I agree some people went too far. And his ratings may have been bad, but this is not a serious point to consider. Presumably, he would've continued to be on T.V. this week and the next, if the Trump administration didn't put pressure on the network.

And also, it needs to be stressed that Kimmel did not say anything hateful about Kirk at all. And he wasn't celebrating the guy's death. I think the idea that we should censor our speech so we don't offend Charlie Kirk fans is outrageous, but he actually didn't insult Charlie Kirk at all.
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from the game dev thread:

Mr Moose said:

The Commission's prohibition against the broadcast of hoaxes is set forth at Section 73.1217 of the Commission's rules, 47 C.F.R. § 73.1217.
This rule prohibits broadcast licensees or permittees from broadcasting false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if:

  1. the licensee knows this information is false;
  2. it is foreseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm; and
  3. broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm.
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What Kimmel did is a direct violation of the FCC broadcast license.
 
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