Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Punished Miku said:
Please tell me that you're not just posting a picture of a completely normal looking black kid and acting like that is why universities are not respected.
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You know, you're right. That's exactly why I posted it :unsure:

Well, maybe not though :unsure:



Care to take off your 'Omg you're racist' specs now?
 
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Punished Miku said:
Did this guy say something stupid? I never watched that debate.

Please tell me that you're not just posting a picture of a completely normal looking black kid and acting like that is why universities are not respected. Kirk is a multimillionaire in a nice suit that few in college could ever afford. A multimillionaire from massive political lobbying money given to him to spread whatever talking points they want.
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You'd be surprised to learn that you can buy elegant business casual clothes on the cheap.
 
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Dr.Morris79 said:
You know, you're right. That's exactly why I posted it :unsure:

Well, maybe not though :unsure:



Care to take off your 'Omg you're racist' specs now?
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I asked a question. All you post is a picture so that's all I can go off of. You don't need racist specs to wonder what your point was, which is what I did. I can watch the video later.
 
crazepharmacist said:
so apparently the FCC has done something similar before. They fined Howard Stern in the past but for things like obscenity or profanity. Not for misinformation or things they disagreed with. What happened to Kimmel and what the commissioner and Trump said will happen to other broadcasters they disagree with seems like a violation of first amendment principles.
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The FCC hasn't actually done anything. This was a move by his boss company due to pressure from affiliates. Word is Jimmy would rather lose the show than apologize.
 
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Angry_Megalodon said:
This speech would have been fine 20, maybe 15, years ago. Now, it's just opportunism. Western society has devolved into straight up fascism in every previously democratic country, all of them pushed by leftist organizations whose overreach is far bigger than the POTUS and any other government. Globalists have fucked us up but it's been the left who slept with them. During COVID, the social media censorship reached totalitarian levels with official truths that nobody in his right mind would believe. The cancel culture has been born IN the left. And now you realize those things are not nice? Welcome to the world that was created 10 years ago, not now.

A famous spanish writer said that a restrictive law is like a gun that someone leaves in the street. You can't complain if the Right picks it up and uses it.
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This is why I don't agree with cancel culture but I have no sympathy. I have a left wing social group and I have been attacked by even my friends fir being against right wingers getting cancelled and of course going to prison for hate speech. I don't see how people can't see that this stuff goes full circle. Once you give corporations and the government the ability to silence people, it doesn't just effect your opponents. I live in the UK and people I know are for those who express hate speech to go to prison. While Labour is in charge that might be the case, but what do you think will happen when Reform wins and sends you to prison now they have the power. Do people not see beyond next week.
 
Punished Miku said:
I asked a question. All you post is a picture so that's all I can go off of. You don't need racist specs to wonder what your point was, which is what I did. I can watch the video later.
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Sure, Jan.

Or you could just jump to 'Omg, poor black kid, you racist!!!'

Tough choice, I know 🤷‍♂️

Punished Miku said:
Please tell me that you're not just posting a picture of a completely normal looking black kid and acting like that is why universities are not respected.
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If that's what you took from the picture, then who am I to say your not donning a pair of spectacular racism specs..

I could have posted it because it had Charlie in the picture, but you do you eh 👍
 
Dr.Morris79 said:
No idea, why do they? :unsure:

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These mysteries keep piling up 🤷‍♂️
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Nothing speaks 'white guilt' than Oxford, and UK in general, imagine surrendering your most prestigious institutions to low IQ cavemen like this
 
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Dr.Morris79 said:
Sure, Jan.

Or you could just jump to 'Omg, poor black kid, you racist!!!'

Tough choice, I know 🤷‍♂️


If that's what you took from the picture, then who am I to say your not donning a pair of spectacular racism specs..

I could have posted it because it had Charlie in the picture, but you do you eh 👍
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"Did he say something stupid?" "Please tell me you didn't post because"

I'm just looking at a picture. The picture has nothing else to take away from it but how they look. If he said something stupid, then sure it's super obvious why you posted it. I've seen stupid debates before, definitely.

Kotaro said:
Nothing speaks 'white guilt' than Oxford, and UK in general, imagine surrendering your most prestigious institutions to low IQ cavemen like this
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Looks like he took the same thing from it, and loved it.
 
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Punished Miku said:
"Did he say something stupid?" "Please tell me you didn't post because"

I'm just looking at a picture. The picture has nothing else to take away from it but how they look. If he said something stupid, then sure it's super obvious why you posted it. I've seen stupid debates before, definitely.
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Just watch the video when you get time 🤓
 
violence said:
The FCC hasn't actually done anything. This was a move by his boss company due to pressure from affiliates. Word is Jimmy would rather lose the show than apologize.
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The commissioner made public statements essentially threatening the company to fire Kimmel or else. In addition, he said they're going after other broadcasters who spout misinformation.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that's grounds for free speech violation (if or when they go after other broadcasters who refuse to submit to threats. )
 
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Embearded said:
I keep seeing this coming up ever now and then, even Charlie said it.
Is this an American thing? Why do people devalue university that much?

Where i am from, University is free as long as you can score high enough in the nationals and get a spot.
We learn stuff that is pretty difficult to learn on your own and me personally as an embedded software engineer, i use on a daily basis what i learned during my studies and i could not have just learned them on the job. My employee would have to pay me for years to not be productive but just learn.
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It is an American thing. Colleges, like everything else is big business. For the past few decades, kids have been told the only way to succeed in life is to go to college. This then puts most of the students in massive debt because a majority of students are not getting scholarships or their parents do not have the amount of money needed to put their child through college. Then on top of it, there are so many worthless degrees that these kids go to school for that when they get out, they realize that they wasted time and money. Now, if you are going to be a doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc., college is the way. I don't want my surgeon being a guy who learned off of YouTube. So, because of this rhetoric of telling kids that a college education is the only way, trades in the United States are going to be really suffering when a mass majority of them retire in the next 10 years. I tell every parent that I know who has children in school still, if their child does not want to do a professional career that does require college, be an electrician, a plumber, a drywaller/painter, etc. Those trades are making so much money and it costs you nothing to learn the trade. Not only that, you get paid to learn it and can go anywhere in the country to work.
 
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Punished Miku said:
They, they, they. I've been here. I supported all the right wing arguments to make social media a public utility. I always have been against cancel culture. I always criticized radical feminists.

It's you that are now supporting what you claimed to stand against all these years. Again, years of lying. Years. Your best argument is that you are now exactly like the worst parts of the left imaginable, but it's fine because they did it first. And that's your best argument, that you're a massive hypocrite that is anti-free speech, pro cancel culture, that you have zero integrity and you're a liar. But you did it second. Great defense.
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Okay, I'll start saying "they(excluding Punished Miku)" instead every time. ❤️
 
crazepharmacist said:
The commissioner made public statements essentially threatening the company to fire Kimmel or else. In addition, he said they're going after other broadcasters who spout misinformation.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that's grounds for free speech violation (if or when they go after other broadcasters who refuse to submit to threats. )
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Those are words not action. When I have time I have to look into what was actually said. As far as I know people are talking about a podcast interview.

It was the ABC affiliates that threatened to not show Kimmel.
 
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Punished Miku said:
They, they, they. I've been here. I supported all the right wing arguments to make social media a public utility. I always have been against cancel culture. I always criticized radical feminists.

It's you that are now supporting what you claimed to stand against all these years. Again, years of lying. Years. Your best argument is that you are now exactly like the worst parts of the left imaginable, but it's fine because they did it first. And that's your best argument, that you're a massive hypocrite that is anti-free speech, pro cancel culture, that you have zero integrity and you're a liar. But you did it second. Great defense.
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Years of lying? Like how the left kept saying they were pro free speech and anti war but actually didn't like free speech and pro war when it benefitted them? If you think right wing arguments are lies but left wing aren't, I got a bridge to sell you.


Boo Who? said:
Want to know why a lot of young people cannot have a single income family, why both parents have to work? At then end of 2024, 43 million Americans owe 1.6 trillion dollars in federal student loans.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/17/average-student-debt-balance-in-every-state.html
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They should have went to trade school and learned something more useful for society.
 
Madserb2023 said:
Once you give corporations and the government the ability to silence people, it doesn't just effect your opponents. I live in the UK and people I know are for those who express hate speech to go to prison. While Labour is in charge that might be the case, but what do you think will happen when Reform wins and sends you to prison now they have the power. Do people not see beyond next week.
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This is what makes me scratch my head when it comes to Chat Control in the EU. Don't they understand what would happen if a true fascist came into power some day and had those tools to keep track of the people? There would be no way to fight against the government as you wouldn't be able to even encrypt your messages. Any kindlings of rebellion would be snuffed out immediately.
 
violence said:
Those are words not action. When I have time I have to look into what was actually said. As far as I know people are talking about a podcast interview.

It was the ABC affiliates that threatened to not show Kimmel.
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Not just that. Advertisers balked and Kimmel didn't want to apologize at all. There was no way Disney could let this disaster continue.

NEWS Disney's CEO Bob Iger and co-chair Dana Walden made the decision to suspend Jimmy Kimmel's show after he planned to double down and go on camera to defend his lie that MAGA voters killed Charlie Kirk rather than "kowtow" to the outrage, Hollywood Reporter reports. They yanked him because they "thought that would fan the flames" as Nexstar and Sinclair affiliates dropped him.
"The advertiser calls began to roll in and then the big affiliate conglomerates, Nexstar and Sinclair, threatened to preempt the show." This is market reaction, and not tied to FCC chair Brendan Carr's actions.
Kimmel even planned to double down and not apologize after "Disney employees saw their emails doxxed..some even received death threats." When "66 of the roughly 200 affiliate stations had said they would" drop him, that's when Iger and Walden pulled the plug.
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Trilobit said:
This is what makes me scratch my head when it comes to Chat Control in the EU. Don't they understand what would happen if a true fascist came into power some day and had those tools to keep track of the people? There would be no way to fight against the government as you wouldn't be able to even encrypt your messages. Any kindlings of rebellion would be snuffed out immediately.
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Each side thinks they can wrest control forever, if they could juuuuust get a couple things passed.
 
kruis said:
Not just that. Advertisers balked and Kimmel didn't want to apologize at all. There was no way Disney could let this disaster continue.
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Someone also mentioned Howard Stern getting fined like crazy by the FCC. Howard Stern's employer dealt with it because his ratings were good. Jimmy Kimmel's ratings are not. People need to blame capitalist pressure.
 
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Punished Miku said:
It's you that are now supporting what you claimed to stand against all these years. Again, years of lying. Years. Your best argument is that you are now exactly like the worst parts of the left imaginable, but it's fine because they did it first. And that's your best argument, that you're a massive hypocrite that is anti-free speech, pro cancel culture, that you have zero integrity and you're a liar. But you did it second. Great defense.
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It's not a cancel culture right now though, it's more like a damage control (don't know a better wording). The US is rolling into civil war from my point of view, and the current actions are more like to prevent more damage as an answer to Kirk's death. It's basically the same as what was going on right after Floyd's death, and Kimmel situation is identical to Tramp's ban - all was done to calm the situation down.
 
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crazepharmacist said:
The commissioner made public statements essentially threatening the company to fire Kimmel or else. In addition, he said they're going after other broadcasters who spout misinformation.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that's grounds for free speech violation (if or when they go after other broadcasters who refuse to submit to threats. )
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Broadcast doesn't have the same blanket "free-speech" protections as other media does. The "air waves" (which are they even a thing, now?) are considered finite and therefore must serve the public interest. (Theoretically, a newspaper can print as many newspapers as it wants--the resources aren't finite, so ...).
An example: A "broadcast" station must give opposing candidates equal time. No exceptions. A newspaper can straight up endorse a candidate.
That's why the FCC was established in the first place--to basically police the airwaves.
It's not a great look, for sure, but just like administrations, the FCC will swing one way to another.
 
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Trilobit said:
This is what makes me scratch my head when it comes to Chat Control in the EU. Don't they understand what would happen if a true fascist came into power some day and had those tools to keep track of the people? There would be no way to fight against the government as you wouldn't be able to even encrypt your messages. Any kindlings of rebellion would be snuffed out immediately.
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THEY are the true fascist. Only true fascist come up with these ideas.

The European Union itself was the original idea of the nazi regime so it checks out.
 
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DrFigs said:
My issue is that I think there is an asymmetry. I think when the conservative Trump supporter killed the state dems, we didn't see democrats come together and collectively blame all republicans. The same is true when a conservative tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi (and ended up attacking her husband). There is a difference in demeanor in the parties. We immediately saw conservatives blame "the left" and democrats specifically before Kirk's body turned cold and way before we knew anything about the shooter. Even now they do this when we do know a bit about the shooter. He didn't appear to be affiliated with democrats in any way, and somehow we're still blamed for his individual action. I, of course agree, that it's unfortunate that anybody celebrated Kirk's death. It's wrong when people on the left do it and when people on the right do it. But I just think there's a lack of seriousness in this conversation if we can't admit for a second that actually, conservatives did the same thing not that long ago.
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I think you are missing the part where the far-left were ALREADY calling EVERYONE not 100% on board with their ideology "nazis, bigots, hatemongers, etc". So they had no need to amp it up after those attacks, they were already shouting it from every platform they could.

What you are seeing now it the equivalent of poking a sleeping bear, conservatives are FINALLY starting to respond in kind, so now its a race to the bottom.
 
Punished Miku said:
Millions and millions of people are not terminally online radical feminist REE cancel culture types.
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Yes. That's true. And you should know I am not talking about them when I or others here say "they". It would be pedantic derailment to go into superdetailed specifics every time I want to express broader and larger thoughts about what's going on. There's no need to be highly detailed unless we're writing for a scientific journal or something.

Sure, it's good to avoid an 'us vs them' thinking, but in a non-autistic forum like this I expect people to know I don't talk about "everyone" when I say they. Don't take things personally, you already know you're not one of the crazy ones.
 
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violence said:
The FCC hasn't actually done anything. This was a move by his boss company due to pressure from affiliates. Word is Jimmy would rather lose the show than apologize.
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Yup. ABC and Disney would LOVE to take this to court and win, as it would free them from the FCC in all sorts of ways. But they can read the room and see its just throwing good money after bad to fight for Kimmel, especially when Kimmel is just gonna dig his hole deeper.
 
Boo Who? said:
It is an American thing. Colleges, like everything else is big business. For the past few decades, kids have been told the only way to succeed in life is to go to college. This then puts most of the students in massive debt because a majority of students are not getting scholarships or their parents do not have the amount of money needed to put their child through college. Then on top of it, there are so many worthless degrees that these kids go to school for that when they get out, they realize that they wasted time and money. Now, if you are going to be a doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc., college is the way. I don't want my surgeon being a guy who learned off of YouTube. So, because of this rhetoric of telling kids that a college education is the only way, trades in the United States are going to be really suffering when a mass majority of them retire in the next 10 years. I tell every parent that I know who has children in school still, if their child does not want to do a professional career that does require college, be an electrician, a plumber, a drywaller/painter, etc. Those trades are making so much money and it costs you nothing to learn the trade. Not only that, you get paid to learn it and can go anywhere in the country to work.
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It also does not help when it's super easy to take out loans. The colleges and universities don't care it the students pay out-of-pocket or take out loans. They get the money regardless and as a result, it incentivizes them to keep jacking up the tuition fees (along with the other fees they love to tack on like "student activities" fees).
 
crazepharmacist said:
so apparently the FCC has done something similar before. They fined Howard Stern in the past but for things like obscenity or profanity. Not for misinformation or things they disagreed with. What happened to Kimmel and what the commissioner and Trump said will happen to other broadcasters they disagree with seems like a violation of first amendment principles.
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The FCC didn't do anything but tweet. There is no formal decision or court case here. Iger voluntarily killed this because stoking the flames of assassination is a real bad idea, especially when Iger would be near the top of the list if things get out of hand.
 
The Mad Draklor said:
It also does not help when it's super easy to take out loans. The colleges and universities don't care it the students pay out-of-pocket or take out loans. They get the money regardless and as a result, it incentivizes them to keep jacking up the tuition fees (along with the other fees they love to tack on like "student activities" fees).
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A MILLION TIMES this. "Easy" government back loans is what has led to this glut of over-educated (in the sense that they have schooling above what's needed for their actual job) and debt laden folks. Remember back in the 80's and 90's when the plot of EVERY teen film was getting that scholarship to be able to go to college? That's because IT WAS TRUE. If your folks didn't have the $$$, you needed a grant or scholarship, loans were not a viable option to pay for the entire ride.

But now some rando kid from the Bronx can get into a ton of colleges because he is "free money" to them as he can get $50k/yr in loans for his "ethics of climate change in a diverse world of post-colonialism racial strife" degree. Colleges, outside of the Ivy League of 'old money', went from "how to be as academically rigorous as possible to attract the smartest kids on scholarship" or "How to be as cheap as possible so working class kids can afford it" straight to "how to be as LUXURIOUS as possible to get all that loan money".

What we need to do is transition from gov backed loans to having colleges front the money and collect out of wages from their students afterwards. That would re-align colleges with ACTUAL PAYING JOBS again, instead of pumping out a million low effort soft degrees a year. Sure, the Harvards can continue as is, they get the foreign kids, the rich kids, a few scholarships. Girls get sent there to study english lit and to meet a finance guy who will go to his daddys firm making 7 figures. But poor kids from West Virginia really have no business going to Harvard unless they get an academic scholarship. They need good quality, but cheap, institutions that will make them into engineers, accountants, scientists, and medical professionals with practical jobs awaiting them. Not sociology degrees, "party planner", communications, French Poetry, or "studies of art made by non-human primates".

I love the blue collar skills focus of Mike Rove. We also need to bring back more 2 year degrees in office management and the like so companies can get competent staff without saddling them with tons of debt. A lot of IT related stuff could probably be served the same way, I have VERY few friends in IT that thought their college time was useful, but as a science guy my college was VITAL to my career path.
 
Kotaro said:
Nothing speaks 'white guilt' than Oxford, and UK in general, imagine surrendering your most prestigious institutions to low IQ cavemen like this
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this is a textbook example of the appeal to false authority fallacy; it's a logical fallacy to assume one's qualifications or intelligence based on how someone looks. Conversely, just because someone dresses up like a priest does not mean they deserve respect and trustworthiness
 
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kruis said:
Not just that. Advertisers balked and Kimmel didn't want to apologize at all. There was no way Disney could let this disaster continue.

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The way she frames it is a bit misleading, here's the article: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...mel-benched-by-disney-dana-walden-1236374959/

A source at Jimmy Kimmel Live! counters to THR that Kimmel's planned on-air address was not "making it worse," but that he simply "wasn't kowtowing" to the outrage.

Kimmel was "defending what he said [as] being grossly mischaracterized by a certain group of people," the show source says.

THR reported on Wednesday that Kimmel did not plan to apologize for his comments, but did plan to address the situation on-air.
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By this point, 66 of the roughly 200 affiliate stations had said they would not carry the episode — that's when ABC announced it was suspending the program — a Bob Iger and Dana Walden joint decision that was a "last resort," the first person says. Walden delivered the news to Kimmel but did not ask him to apologize, says the source, who described Wednesday as "a very heavy, very hard day" inside the walls of Disney and ABC.
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Dr. Todd Grande says Jimmy shouldn't have been fired over this.

But he also says Jimmy's statements about the shooter were false, so the leftists in his audience are still mad and being crybabies about it.

 
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