Something like 5-10 million?
Microsoft does have an upscaler that runs on the NPU, it's called auto SR. It runs on the snapdragon NPU, but MS was supposed to bring it to x86 as well.
Holy crap. $600 and no disc, wow. And for a somewhat weak hardware. Consoles really are pcs now.
Yes, I assumed they would disable some CPU cores and clock lower if they used the Magnus CPU SOC for handhelds. Regardless, AT4 is pretty much for Laptops and Handhelds.
You should read this thread from beginning.
It's going to be a Console, NOT PC. The Xbox PC is a different form factor. So don't expect it to be simply a PC with XFSE. It will still look and function like a console even if it runs full windows.
Yes, I assumed they would disable some CPU cores and clock lower if they used the Magnus CPU SOC for handhelds. Regardless, AT4 is pretty much for Laptops and Handhelds.
PS6 Canis has four Zen 6C CPU cores.
Xbox Ally X with the Z2X AI has 8 Zen 5 or Zen 5C cores. It has a 50 TOPS NPU. It's not that far off from the Magnus CPU. If Sony can disable a CPU core in the Orion, MS could probably disable at least one of the Zen 6 cores in Magnus if they were to use on handhelds.
I think MS will recommend Asus to make device slightly bigger for next gen handhelds, by doing 8" screen, so they have better room for cooling. Kepler stated that the handhelds would be using 28 Watts at least vs 15 Watts Canis.
GPD Win 5 shoved a 45-65 watt Laptop chip in their handheld. But that relies on external battery. Had they simply made device bigger, they likely could've kept both.
Also, not sure if Magnus has a Pluton security chip, probably does, that is probably what will ensure Console library BC and FC on devices with Magnus.
You should read this thread from beginning.
"I don't see how PS6 can match Magnus, it has fewer CPU cores, lower CPU frequency, fewer CUs, fewer ROPs, lower GPU frequency, less cache and memory bandwidth. It's not a huge difference but Magnus should have better performance in 100% of games unlike this gen where it's more of a 50/50."
It's going to be a Console, NOT PC. The Xbox PC is a different form factor. So don't expect it to be simply a PC with XFSE. It will still look and function like a console even if it runs full windows.
The Xbox OS shell and Console UI/UX, running GDKX optimized Console games. The PC games are in addition to that. It's about PC/Console Convergence, not replacement of the Console form factor.
Easy route is to simply run Xbox OS as a subsystem of the full windows running underneath. The windows would be explorer less so expect no Desktop mode or File System Access on the Console.
I'll buy it
Where in there does Kepler mention 3GHz clocks? He mentions Magnus winning in performance 100 percent of the time due to Orion being weaker in on paper specs, but still no mention of clocks anywhere. Also of course it would win, Microsoft will stretch the price as far as they could take it, but keep it well within the power consumption constraints dictated by both US and EU law for certain types of devices. If the power ceiling is 300W, they'll attempt to keep as close to that peak power ceiling as possible to comply with those laws. Yes, it'll be more powerful, as was the case with the Xbox series X when compared to the ps5, but it won't be the same deltas we saw this gen, even if both are clocked the same. And it'll push cpu specs as well alongside the rest…but also have a price to match.Yes, I assumed they would disable some CPU cores and clock lower if they used the Magnus CPU SOC for handhelds. Regardless, AT4 is pretty much for Laptops and Handhelds.
PS6 Canis has four Zen 6C CPU cores.
Xbox Ally X with the Z2X AI has 8 Zen 5 or Zen 5C cores. It has a 50 TOPS NPU. It's not that far off from the Magnus CPU. If Sony can disable a CPU core in the Orion, MS could probably disable at least one of the Zen 6 cores in Magnus if they were to use on handhelds.
I think MS will recommend Asus to make device slightly bigger for next gen handhelds, by doing 8" screen, so they have better room for cooling. Kepler stated that the handhelds would be using 28 Watts at least vs 15 Watts Canis.
GPD Win 5 shoved a 45-65 watt Laptop chip in their handheld. But that relies on external battery. Had they simply made device bigger, they likely could've kept both.
Also, not sure if Magnus has a Pluton security chip, probably does, that is probably what will ensure Console library BC and FC on devices with Magnus.
You should read this thread from beginning.
"I don't see how PS6 can match Magnus, it has fewer CPU cores, lower CPU frequency, fewer CUs, fewer ROPs, lower GPU frequency, less cache and memory bandwidth. It's not a huge difference but Magnus should have better performance in 100% of games unlike this gen where it's more of a 50/50."
It's going to be a Console, NOT PC. The Xbox PC is a different form factor. So don't expect it to be simply a PC with XFSE. It will still look and function like a console even if it runs full windows.
The Xbox OS shell and Console UI/UX, running GDKX optimized Console games. The PC games are in addition to that. It's about PC/Console Convergence, not replacement of the Console form factor.
Easy route is to simply run Xbox OS as a subsystem of the full windows running underneath. The windows would be explorer less so expect no Desktop mode or File System Access on the Console.
Stop dreaming. What they have done in the past is totally irrelevant. The idea here is to build something that uses parts, including dies, that are used elsewhere in the PC space.
Smaller chips are generally cheaper to make even if the yields are similar because you can fit more of them on a circular platter, and chip cost is a function of platter cost divided by the number of chips you get from it.
Didn't they try that already?
Philips CD-i and Panasonic 3DO numbers. Since they have not ruined the brand enough.
Yep. The answer was what Phil said it wasn't the answer (Spencer lying, I know, shock!): games. Exclusive well executed delayed until perfection games. And that's what Xbox doesn't have since before Reach (Reach was so obviously a Destiny alpha with all those bullet sponges…) with few honorable exceptions. Sony too hasn't delivered since TLoU 1 but at least the public seems to love the turds they've been producing over the last 13 years… so they public stayed there.
Astro Bot is good! The rest yes, massive smelly boring turds...
? Magnus isn't a single chip APU.
I think you answered your own question... It matters because it gives a performance advantage.
I dont se how it can be a proper console like some insiders keep insisting on it.. this thing is going to be super niche at the price point and brand.. and noone outside maybe MS will loose time optimizing for it ... and playing older console games dosent make it a console imho ... but anyway lets wait.
Super Series X with no ability to upgrade parts. Runs all PC stores. Hardware Xbox BC. Maybe some slightly unique hardware AI business.
A "single" APU composed of a GPU + CPU die.
Its pretty simple in my eyes
Oh its DOA regardless
Still the biggest open question in my mind. If SneakersSO is to be believed, there is no console specific game SKUs next gen. That would basically put GTA off until an official PC release happens. But I'm not sure how reliable his info is.
I mean we know GTA 6 isn't launching on PC right away but guess that doesn't count as "next gen"
Well, previously console APUs were integrated on a single die. And I think the poster's point was that you have to take into account the combined size of the GPU + CPU dies (408 mm^2).
Even the bolded seems unclear for the next Xbox. Would you call it a PC if that's not the case?
Even that part I honestly don't quite understand after listening to the AMD announcement. Seems like the whole point of that new chip is BC, and it will be across multiple devices. I don't know!
The Magnus chip is slated to be used in both the console and the OEM PCs as far as I know, last I heard anyhow
I guess that buys them another 7 years to hopefully keep adding Play Anywhere titles before fully dropping it and being PC only.
IF the console makes it to market I will be shocked they last 7 years, they are in so much trouble
It doesn't have to be available for sale for 7 years. It will likely last throughout the entire PS6 generation if you decide to buy one. Then upgrade to PC in 2033.
I think it's a difference of terminology. The die is the piece of silicon itself. The package is the finished unit with one or more dies. So Magnus is a single package with multiple dies.
Well thats a pc with bc emulation if you asked me ... but I get your point ... at this point its just semantics anyway
Pretty much. It's a console *wink* (don't sue us).
Well if its running exclusively PC games, I cannot call it a console no matter what brain gymnastics are made... this would be literally the "everything is a xbox" meme ... ..but if microsoft and third party releases games coded specific for the hardware (which I really doubt) than ok its a console hybrid or whatever...
If it's a pc, it will have to wait for the pc version, if it's not a pc, it will play the Series X version.
