bitbydeath
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There's no reason to believe NVIDIA wouldn't have a roadmap with the estimated specs written out that has been shared with various companies, if Mlid is telling the truth.
[MLiD] PS6 Full Specs Leak: RTX 5090 Ray Tracing & Next-Gen AI w/ AMD Orion!
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Black_Stride
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It's just a staggered release to boost high end sales.
What makes you think they will suddenly drop a consumer well know naming scheme?
It's Rubin, the next generation after Blackwell and already announced and pictured by Nvidia.
You should know these tech companies are working on tech way in advance before it's released. For example Nvidia probably has Feynman complete or near complete and doing testing.
Rubin CPX is also laid out the same way as the 5090, with a few changes. Giving it a high chance of being the 6090.
5090
Rubin could be like Volta.....there wasnt a generation of Volta cards for consumers (Yeah I know the Titan Vs exist)
Or Rubin could be like Hopper where there was no consumer cards at all.
We dont know what Rubin is going to be used for, whether it will come to consumers or not.
I wouldnt be counting my chickens so soon.
Loxus
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Or it's one architecture like with Blackwell.
Gaiff
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Again, nonsense. Sony doesn't know what the 6060 Ti is like. Nobody does as even NVIDIA has decided yet. We saw NVIDIA backtrack from an announced product with the 4080 12GB and you guys seriously think there's a product named the RTX 6060 Ti right at the moment with finalized specs and benchmarks that Sony got their hands on? Sure lol.
Sure, we can make a bunch of educated guesses based on precedents, but they aren't in the phase where the products are all named with performance metrics and data. It probably hasn't even be tested in any real capacity yet. Right now, it's impossible for anyone, let alone Sony to have those in handy and accurately compare their as-of-yet to be released console to the 6060 Ti that's like 18 months away.
I don't even know what the heck you guys are arguing.
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Loxus
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Do you work at Sony, AMD or Nvidia to know this?
Nvidia has a easy to follow pattern of what to expect based a how they position their cards. It's not rocket science.
Gaiff
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Do you need to work at NVIDIA when they have more than once changed the name and position of a product after it was all known? Do you need to know that no one can tell with any degree of certainty what GPU even leaked specs correspond to outside of educated guesses? Now you're telling me that Sony KNOWS for a fact what a 6060 Ti/6070 perform like in the real world when there's no chance in hell they have ever even been tested and neither has the PS6? This doesn't make sense and what you're arguing is completely ridiculous. No one can compare a PS6 to a 6060 Ti because the performance metrics for neither device exist anywhere.
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StereoVsn
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bitbydeath
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It's really no different to Sony being privy to AMD hardware specs before it becomes publicly known. NVIDIA would have planned beyond the 6000 series already, I wouldn't be surprised if discussions have started on if they'll create a 10,000 series or change it up.
Signalis
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Ghost of Yotei: ShemasteredDon't forget:
Dad of War: Ragnarock, the Boy Teen Years Edition.
Ghost of Yotei: Remastered and Empowered
Gaiff
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It's know that they are planned. This isn't the issue. The issue is Sony somehow knowing how a 6060 Ti performs compared to a PS6. A specs sheet won't tell you that. You need real world data and a functioning product with actual tests for that and those don't exist.
Additionally, Sony and AMD being competitors to NVIDIA wouldn't be privy to this information anyway, so no, there's no document anywhere where Sony says the PS6's GPU performs like a 6060 Ti or 6070. It's wholly illogical.
Of course. How is that related to what I said? You're out of context.
bitbydeath
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The comparison (if real) would be against the spec sheets (which could change).
Sony aren't competitors with NVIDIA, and NVIDIA would still be wanting to sell their hardware to them. Sony are much bigger than PlayStation.
Gaiff
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And if they had the specs sheet, they would compare it to whatever die they have information on, not name a product that may or may not be a 6060 Ti or 6070. Not that a specs sheet for a product with a newer architecture could be accurately evaluated anyway since you could easily be off by 20% or more.
bitbydeath
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OK, I'm just saying Sony would have access to the data.
The only thing in question is if Mlid is lying or not.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because NVIDIA would just hand it to them? Sure. Or are we assuming Sony is committing corporate espionage?
Sethbacca
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I"ve always figured it was safe to make the assumption that most companies commit some degree of corporate espionage. The penalties our corporate overlords pay for any malfeasance is minimum and the potential upside is massive.
Gaiff
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They all do, but there's a major difference between a degree of corporate espionage and knowing things that are closely guarded at NVIDIA HQ.
Team Xbox didn't even know for sure what the specs of the PS5 were until Sony announced them and Phil Spencer was relieved to learn that it was only 10 TFLOPs and that's against their most important adversary, so the odds that Sony has info on all those products in development at NVIDIA are almost none. Hell, we even know for a fact AMD and NVIDIA don't have all that much information on one another.
bitbydeath
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Yes, through internal presentations.
Not just Sony either.
Gaiff
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So Microsoft didn't even know the specs of the PS5 until Sony revealed them, but Sony has closely guarded secrets that only NVIDIA employees have?
I think you're vastly overestimating the level of knowledge companies have on others and how hard they work to keep their corporate secrets, secret.
bitbydeath
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Why would Microsoft know that?
Sony wouldn't be selling AMD's hardware to them.
Gaiff
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So why would Sony know anything about NVIDIA's secrets?
bitbydeath
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Because they're vendors.
It's no secret to them.
HP, Asus and many others are also advised of upcoming products.
I'm surprised you don't know this.
Tobimacoss
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AMD, Intel, Nvidia all made pitches to Sony back in 2022 before AMD won the contract, but that still don't mean Nvidia shared their upcoming lineup, maybe they could've shared info on the 5000 series lineup.
Gaiff
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HP and ASUS sell products with NVIDIA hardware and in ASUS case, they're an AIB, so it stands to reason they would be closer, but what does Sony have to do with any of this? Is Sony selling laptops with NVIDIA GPUs?
Hector Hall
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I swear I don't understand so many people not understanding that Sony makes 95% of the income from platform royalties and hardware.
And for that you need to, you know what, sell hardware. And to sell hardware you need exclusive content.
Your reasonimg is as good as saying that there are hundreds of millions of people that won't buy an IPhone and that's why Apple has to manufacture a Android phone or open up their walled garden. Or that there are hundreds of millions of people that don't buy Nintendo and that's why Nintendo must port everything to sell more.
Sony "needs" so much it's PC ports that last quarter it has one billion in profit while Others Software (that adds PC ports to Switch and Xbox games as MLBA, Destiny 2, Lego Horizon etc) only added 150 million of revenue (without counting the porting costs) to the total income.
Hadn't it sold a single penny on any other platform outside PlayStation it would still have had 900 million of PROFIT. In a single quarter. That should make you think a bit more before saying things as Sony needing with capital N to ports their games Jesus Christ.
PaintTinJr
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I think VAIO's relationship with Sony for designs is like Lenovo's relationship with IBM specifically for ThinkPad designs, and Nvidia's pitch for a PS6 would probably have been with future looking 6060ti hardware - as it is in the right class, if PS5 is around 3060/3070 excluding DLSS.
But even beyond that Sony would be a commercial customer for many other Pro AV products that could use Nvidia chips for DSP that Nvidia would pitch for, and even then staff from Nvidia joining Sony would likely provide technical context from their knowledge of Nvidia product lines -release or not.
Tobimacoss
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Sony hasn't owned Vaio since like 2015.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Sure, NVIDIA might show them some of the stuff they would have been preparing for a potential PS6 GPU, but there's a pretty big difference between pitching that and Sony somehow getting their hands on the specs and performance metrics for a GPU that won't be out before mid 2026 at the earliest.
Commercial partners like Sony don't get specs sheets for gaming GPUs in development. ASUS who will make boards for them? Sure. Sony? No.
saintjules
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What kind of specs does it take to translate to the Unreal Demo we saw for the PS5 before launch?
Is this unattainable??
Is this unattainable??
Black_Stride
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PaintTinJr
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AFAIK, Sony design the VAIOs under license still, just like IBM still design Lenovo Thinkpads.
PaintTinJr
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And yet we have evidence from DF's early SW2 hardware prediction to suggest Nintendo got the spec sheet data for the chip for the SW2 that way - as DF had it IIRC from the old video - but it wasn't a gaming GPU per sa but a generic chip in a spec sheet that could be used for gaming and had its product line derived from a discrete PC card chip typically used for gaming..
Nvidia will have say, an RV206 GPU that will be taping out shortly (if the release is in 2026) that will be aimed at the midrange segment, with a certain size memory bus and likely a presumed VRAM target. Then nearer to the release date they will decide what products to use it for. But the GA106, AD106 and GB206 all either arrived as the regular 60 class card, or as the Ti variant.
Though I agree that Sony likely wouldn't know the specs of this chip.
bitbydeath
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I'm glad we've moved on from NVIDIA not having a roadmap, but what makes you think Sony wouldn't be across it?
They're directly involved with all things hardware, they're not competitors, and they're one of the largest tech companies in the world.
Gaiff
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Dude, this isn't a simple fucking roadmap. Does the roadmap tell you the configuration and performance of the 6060 Ti? No, it doesn't , so why would Sony know this? Unless they got people snooping at NVIDIA, they're clueless about it.
All of which is completely irrelevant. Why would NVIDIA share with them the performance metrics of as-of-yet to be formally announced product that is still under development and unfinished and has no doubt not been tested in the real world?
Which is cool as far as what NVIDIA had in store for Sony is concerned, not for how Sony would get the performance of a GPU 1.5 years away compared to their console.
bitbydeath
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Gaiff
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No, the roadmap absolutely does not.
This is what a typical roadmap looks like. It does NOT include specs sheets and performance metrics. Nothing about performance can be gleamed from that.
And Sony paid them to reveal their secrets?
Corporal.Hicks
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MLiD said Nvidia hasn't improved Ray Tracing performance per core at all since Ampere.
black myth wukong with lumen (software ray tracing) shows 63% relative difference and may support his claim because the RTX4090 has 60% more cores compared to the RTX3080ti.
With PT however that difference is much bigger 150%, so it seems he's wrong
black myth wukong with lumen (software ray tracing) shows 63% relative difference and may support his claim because the RTX4090 has 60% more cores compared to the RTX3080ti.
With PT however that difference is much bigger 150%, so it seems he's wrong
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ZehDon
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Cross-gen games are used to offset the financial risk of development - risk that would already be minimised if dev's didn't need to spend years baking out their assets. As for the lowest common denominator, the Series S is that this generation, and it hasn't slowed down adoption for UE5 - dev just ship games with internal resolutions akin to the Xbox 360 generation. I imagine the same would happen for the PS6 handheld; it'll get versions of games that look like shit.
For sure. I'm not saying path tracing won't be fully utilized in PS6 because of cross-gen. What I was saying is that there will be no development time savings yet for next-gen as development pipeline will remain largely the same due to PS5.
Though I imagine next-next-gen they can do away with baked lighting and everything will be real time path tracing, thus saving a ton of development time.
Gaiff
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Then you will get the same-looking games but with better lighting.
yogaflame
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Well just to make it affordable.
paolo11
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I may sound ignorant so I apologize in advance but the visuals this gen is not a huge jump vs last gen. I mean the visuals are still awesome don't get me wrong and there are improvements but it's not a big jump vs ps3 to ps4.
If this gen's visuals the peak and no way to improve it more, maybe 4k 60 to 120fps is the way moving forward. Again I may be wrong.
You're not wrong. We've reached the peak of diminishing returns when it comes to geometry and pixel fidelity. It would take an exponential improvement to rasterization and loads of ram to see a difference.
When it comes to lighting, although baked lighting sometimes is very convincing and sometimes indistinguishable to undiscerning eye, there are level designs and experiences when path tracing shows a generational leap in realism that baked lighting cannot replicate.
AI LLM is another thing that could make a generational difference if the rumors are true.
IMO, Cerny is on the right track. Improvements should be allocated where it matters and where it will truly show a generational difference.
bitbydeath
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That's the public roadmap, not the private one, you won't see what gets shared with them.No, the roadmap absolutely does not.
This is what a typical roadmap looks like. It does NOT include specs sheets and performance metrics. Nothing about performance can be gleamed from that.
And Sony paid them to reveal their secrets?
Sony doesn't pay for NVIDIA's marketing, but I'm sure you knew that.
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ChorizoPicozo
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GOD optimization on base PS5. And a LOT of fucking money.